QANTAS CABIN CREW DISCUSSIONS ( IV)

[argusmoon]

NYC Hotel

...and this provides verification of Lowerlobes post.
Well done Twiggs.

[lowerlobe]

Interesting post Twiggs and Argus moon or should I say the faaa response team...it would be fine to read the bid book but being on LSL and not having one or being in the faaa office it is a bit hard to check one.

I also rang a mate that got home yesterday and the bid book was not out then(Friday) so TWIGGS were did you get yours from??????????....and you tell us you are not on the union....

Twiggs ..you went to the trouble of posting this response to me but you have not bothered to mention what or where the hotel is , so could you let the rest of us in on this top secet of where we are staying or is that on a faaa need to know basis.....

Are the tech crew slipping in New York staying at the same hotel as us or are they still at the Millenium????

As usual the faaa communication team could teach the North Koreans a thing or two about secrets ,selective information release and propaganda

As it seems we are on the subject why did the faaa sanction the IBIS as a crew hotel in Brisbane and why has the faaa not published a newsletter on this reason?

[argusmoon]

What The...?

Lets clear a few things up....
1.I am not part of the FAAA response team
2.I was lampooning Twiggs response
3.Lowerlobe you are a diquehead
Everytime someone posts a response that is not supportive of your position doesnt mean they are spindoctors from the Company or the FAAA.
Take your head out of your rectum and try to understand your point of view is not definitve.

[lowerlobe]

Argus,
I apologise for my previous post as I thought you were supporting Twiggs and unreservedly retract any inference implied or otherwise that you are part of the faaa response team.

I also did not know you spoke french....lol

I'm also well aware that I am not the only one that has an opinion , however it is coincidental at best that a few here only respond to criticism about our esteemed union leadership

I would still like to find out from Twiggs were he/she has managed to get a bid book from or was she told by a taxi driver that has a relative who has a next door neighbour who knows someone in the faaa office .............also as at 11.30 am Saturday the 12th August there is no email and/or newsletter from the faaa about a return to New York.

[argusmoon]

Contact

Ring operations for confirmation if you are so concerned

[Eden99]

Brisbane Hotel And New York Slip

Argusmoon you were too charitable to lowerlobe. The french word you used to describe him is an understatement :-))
He clearly has only 1 great passion in his woeful life, and that is to criticise the FAAA over imaginary sins. The 1 thing he always demonstrates is his ignorance about nearly everything that he talks about in here.
1) The FAAA has not approved the IBIS hotel in Brisbane for Long Haul. Short Haul FAAA have approved that hotel for their crew.The Novotel continues to be the Long Haul hotel.
2) The slipping decision regarding New York was made late yesterday arvo by Qantas. This was communicated to the FAAA early evening yesterday (friday). The reason why long haul crew will be slipping temporarily in New York is due to delays that will be experienced with the new security measures introduced yesterday by US authorities in response to the LHR security situation. NOTHING TO DO WITH IT BEING CHEAPER AS SUGGESTED BY DEFCON4.
As for communication going out about this....... obviously the FAAA office is shut over the weekend........ it's staff are entitled to have their weekend break. Also, Qantas is still working out the details for the slipping arrangements in New York.
We will now see if lowerlobe apologises for his usual wrong outbursts. My bet is he won't.
Also, as argusmoon said, if lowerlobe bothered to ring operations or the FAAA emergency number he would have been told this information. But of course lowerlobe always prefers to make a dunce of himself with total drivel that he posts on here.
A sad life indeed!

[Eden99]

Postcript

All of the info i posted above was obtained by talking to the FAAA on the emergency phone ( not that it was an emergency for me..... but clearly an emergency for lowerlobe).

It seems to me that lowerlobe is probably a non union member, hence the constant criticism of the FAAA.

Further, i would not be surprised if he was a scab. The only people who benefit from the deliberately innacurate posts by lowerlobe in his many guises on here, are the Company.

Lowerlobe is clearly schizo, for months he criticises the FAAA for his wrong perception of trading off conditions of which he can name none. Now like some rabid right winger he squeals for the FAAA to introduce B scales etc.

Aren't we lucky that lowerlobe is not in charge of FAAA policy....... what a mish mash it would be!!!

Is it any wonder that the FAAA correctly maintains confidentiality of any strategies. It would otherwise be posted on here by the sad likes of people like lowerlobe, fortunately these sad individuals are in the minority.

[cartexchange]

Eden 99
What has been happening with that poor UNICEF guy!
Can you enlighten us with any information!
Also I'm glad that the long haul FAAA has not approved the IBIS.
I know of 3 S/haul crew that have resigned with the domestic FAAA over the Canberra housing commission motel debacle, it was the last straw for them.

[twiggs]

Originally Posted by lowerlobe

Interesting post Twiggs and Argus moon or should I say the faaa response team...it would be fine to read the bid book but being on LSL and not having one or being in the faaa office it is a bit hard to check one.

Are the tech crew slipping in New York staying at the same hotel as us or are they still at the Millenium????

Lowerlobe, the bid book I was referring to is for 246 and is the one that is presently available on the cabin crew website.
Actually the accomodation in NYC was never deleted from the book when we started the shuttle (so it will be in an old one you may have lying around at home) and if I remember correctly, we had changed hotels the last time we slipped there. (Changed without faaa inspection I believe)
I originally put the hotel name in my post but then removed it as I don't think it is wise to advertise where crew stay on a public forum.
Finally when you find the bid book you will see that the tech crew hotel and the cabin crew hotel are not the same.

Why does printing facts that are readily available on the internet to QF crew imply that I have anything to do with or even know any faaa officials?

[Eden99]

Unicef

Hi cart,

yeah the individual involved was exonerated last week........ as he should have been.

Hopefully, after that incompetent display by the Company, they will be a little more wary in standing crew down without proper investigation.

Hope that answers your question cart.

[cartexchange]

Thanks for the information.
well that is good news, but surely something can be done about such incidents, its totally wrong that someone can accuse another person of such a heinous act and get away with it.
I hope the individual concerned will take some kind of legal action against that person.

[Lurker@L5]

And the other bloke?

Eden 99-
what happened to the NRT guy who was only following 'IN THE BONE' procedures?
Has CCTM boned him?

On another note - with Goanna Jnr on the QF board & Dicko on the PBL -whats the bet the Jetstar Int. IFE will involve onboard gambling??

"Welcome to JET- STAR Casino in the Air!"
Life's a Gamble - and with our third rate pilots , our third world cabin crew and our Manchu Maintenance Centres -flying with us will always be a Gamble too!
So sit back (sorry the reclines U/S ) , relax ("that's $3 for the pillow pale!") and most of all...GOOD LUCK! YOU'LL NEED IT!"

MANAGEMENT WON'T FLEECE THEM ON THE TICKET PRICE - BUT IT'LL BE HIGHWAY ROBBERY ONCE THE DOORS ARE CLOSED! THE PAX WILL FEEL LIKE THE QANTAS EMPLOYEES NOW DO - SCREWED.

[Mstr Caution]

Re: The IFE having onboard gambling

I recall reading a few years ago that the authorities in the USA will not permit any form of video gaming activities (gambling) on board any aircraft operating in airspace or ports within the United States.

The regulation also stated that no aircraft shall be fitted with nor shall any passenger be capable of any form of gambling.

The reasoning behind it was concerns for the behaviour of passengers onboard, the effect to the community in general due to the social implications on gambling. The specific nature of airline operations which could expose a person to sit in front of a gaming machine for hours on end. The enquiry at the time also looked at the potential revenues that both US & foreign carriers could generate from these gambling sources. It was a sh*%t load of cash, however the study recomendation was that the benefits of prohibiting such gambling far outweighed the potential earnings for carriers.

It would take a change of US legislation for carriers to change such policy.

All that which I've stated above comes with a caveat, that since reading the article a few years ago that the ban actually became law. Which I believe it was definately going to.

So, should jetstar operate to Honolulu. Such activities would not be approved. Should Jetstar have gambling on other international services these aircraft would have to be dedicated to those routes. Once an aircraftt is fitted with any form of gambling machine (in IFE) it can't go to the States.

I hope the Jetstar team have looked at this scenario, or will they fit the fleet with such IFE only to find the can't operate them to the states.

[Wed Webbing Woop]

Pensioners Inc.

Doesn't it give employees a warm inner glow knowing that "world airlines are in crisis due to fuel price and LHR terror threat", BUT ......wait
.................the Qantas share price jumps almost 10 cents -thanks to Darth spelling out :
ALL THE WAY WITH AWA's
History will show that the greed and contempt by the Qantas shareholders ( Financial institutions and greedy pensioners) have driven this company to third world status aka Kingfisher airlines.
And what do we hear from our 3 ( minus one ) Pie eaters:
THE SHARKS ARE CIRCLING YOUR CREDIT UNION ( how prophetic and pathetic!).
The "Sharks " in this case are the Work non-Choices legislation-'cause there won't be any bloody money to put into the friggin Credit Union once Howard's Way sinks the boot into all of our clackers.

www

[DirectAnywhere]

Hey, Wed Webbing Woop, shouldn't your username now be Manuwal Infwation Handle?

[Lurker@L5]

The only sure thing

You're probably right Mstr Caution -
then again -its all a hypothetical beause the ONLY THING YOU CAN BET ON ONBOARD A QANTAS /JETSTAR A/C is that the IFE WILL BE U/S!

(The IFE failures have become so bad that since the latest Maxwell Smart bust - now no in cabin ipods -they have put a dedicated paxing IFE engineer on all flights to the States & LHR -whose bonus is that stuff up coming out of? The goose who engaged Rockwell -Collins?)

[Mstr Caution]

Lurker,

You got that right.

I mate of mine flew to LHR on QF1 late June. Said it took most of the SYD-BKK sector to get the IFE working.

That's nearly as good as the sector he did a few months back where he was told the pax in the upper deck had 3 bottles of wine loaded (full pax load). The FA's had to scrounge arounge downstairs for some extra bottles.

[qcc2]

as IL Duce said

we made a mistake with the IFE. YES 450 million dollars worth of mistake.and not to mention all the costs associated with the ongoing stuff-ups. more bonuses please!

[Wed Webbing Woop]

IFE-U/S..... call TPC!!!!

So true about the IFE.
Just returned from a HKG trip............both sectors the IFE was stuffed. As usual the CSM spent the mandatory 3 hours trying to fix, reboot the system, then grovel to the FF's for the next 6 hours.
This system is beyond a joke..............its an utter disgrace.
There is such a thing called the Trade Practices act in this country , and each time a QF aircraft takes off with a U/S -IFE then Qantas is in breach of the Act. When pax complain- I don't do the usual and say "write to Geoff or John".
No .." best write direct to the Trade Practices Commission-25 York St, Sydney" and put your case.
Anyway, I was thinking of submitting an "innovations@ qantas " idea.:
1. Take off all overhead lockers. ( huge fuel saving).
2. Bring back the 8mm movie projectors. They rarely broke down, good colour and it will give the CSM something to do ( change over the cartridges).
What do you think ??
Got merit??
I might meet my CCTM and have a 1:1 power discussion. Nothing like a bit of brown nosing before I leave-who knows I might even be able to jag an eXcel award before I go( the $150 DJ's voucher will come in handy for Xmas giving).
www... aka :man-well infwation handle

[hawke eye]

The posts on here are getting more pathetic by the day.
I dont mind constructive balanced criticism but this is becoming so ridiculous it gives anyone reading it a false viewof cabin crew IQ.

For godsake stop picking on the FAAA. No one team has ever been perfect. Yes we get out manouvered from time to time. Usually by our own colleagues or new IR Laws. As is every other worker in society.

Those of you who continually bag those who have been duly elected by the majority I hope you are taking the package.If not stop being a talker and put your own hand up and attempt to do a better job under terribly difficult circumstances.

Or have you already had a go as a previously elected representative? I wonder......? either way contribute something worthwhile and stop reducing our credibility in front of our airline colleagues!

As for bagging the Company, we know the situation. Times change, management changes, even we change.Either accept change as part of life and get on with it. Life is not a blame game.How you have been conditioned to end up like this I can only imagine.If our lot is truly that bad LEAVE. Yes there are issues and there will always be issues. No matter how our airline or management evolves. That is why the FAAA need and deserve support not continual,pessimistic whinging and whining.
Only if life could be so easy that we all had the answer and everyone acted the way webbing loop and others suggest when they pontificate on here.
It is a rumour network not a continual whinge network. Yes lets have a whinge once in a while NOt all the bloody time. Last time I turned up at an FAAA meeting only 20 others turned up out of 3000.
That is not the FAAAs fault that is a clear example of where the problem on a union side begins. A union is supposed to be a COLLECTIVE group of people not 20 and the rest pay their fees and expect everything to be done for them!
Good grief what planet are you lot on? Look at some of the other unions and the size and running costs and what they achieve for their membership compared to ours.
No I am not a current or former union rep. I am an employeee who appreciates how the majority of union reps has attempted to protect and improve my work conditions. Some better than others.They get my thanks all the same!