QANTAS CABIN CREW DISCUSSIONS ( IV)
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Direct anywhere,
some may think our allowances are generous, however,
there are many times when one is tired and eats in the hotel. Not everyoe goes to the 7/11 for a pkt of chips . Some also appreciate descent dining at nearby restaurants none of which are cheap.
Crew have gone cheap and many have copped food poisoning because of it.
I take my allowances and fight and support thu FAAA to maintain them due to some other abject conditions of our job.
Every other shift worker in Australia receives overtime after 8 hours and extras for working weekends and/or public holidays. The new IR legislation is designed to reduce those agreed penalty payments. As you would know we dont get one red cent til after 12 hours work.Nor do we receive payments for weekends or public holidays like many other shift workers do.
If we have an 8 hour day and we are extended up to 11 and half hours we still only get paid the 8 hours. Obviously if we finish sooner it works the same in reverse. (how often do we come in early off a tour of duty).
Your right you shouldn't complain nor should you or any of us feel guilty for the occassional unspent allowance - which is taxed.
some may think our allowances are generous, however,
there are many times when one is tired and eats in the hotel. Not everyoe goes to the 7/11 for a pkt of chips . Some also appreciate descent dining at nearby restaurants none of which are cheap.
Crew have gone cheap and many have copped food poisoning because of it.
I take my allowances and fight and support thu FAAA to maintain them due to some other abject conditions of our job.
Every other shift worker in Australia receives overtime after 8 hours and extras for working weekends and/or public holidays. The new IR legislation is designed to reduce those agreed penalty payments. As you would know we dont get one red cent til after 12 hours work.Nor do we receive payments for weekends or public holidays like many other shift workers do.
If we have an 8 hour day and we are extended up to 11 and half hours we still only get paid the 8 hours. Obviously if we finish sooner it works the same in reverse. (how often do we come in early off a tour of duty).
Your right you shouldn't complain nor should you or any of us feel guilty for the occassional unspent allowance - which is taxed.
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Hugh,
You are absolutely right, sir. My sincere apologies. It's time I again learned to RTFQ.
I shall now quietly stroll into my garage and bang my head against the concrete for being such a dopey
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Then... I'll have a cleansing ale and good lie down.
You are absolutely right, sir. My sincere apologies. It's time I again learned to RTFQ.
I shall now quietly stroll into my garage and bang my head against the concrete for being such a dopey
. Then... I'll have a cleansing ale and good lie down.
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Hawkeye,
Every other shift worker is Australia does not, repeat NOT, receive overtime after 8 hours duty.
I am a Paramedic and work 48 hours in 4 consecutive shifts , the last 2 of which are 14 hour night shifts (1700 to 0700 hours) There is no guarantee of any rest during the 14 hours. Note the 10 hour break between these shifts is reducible to 8 with late finishes. ( for which we do get 1 and a half times normal hourly rate) We then have 3 full days off. Our dayshifts are 10 hours.
I still don't earn what I did in my last years as Cabin Crew - and work a lot more hours after 3 years at uni.
The benefit is that I now feel I am doing something useful.
Head out of the sand and kindly refrain from making such statements before checking facts first.
Every other shift worker is Australia does not, repeat NOT, receive overtime after 8 hours duty.
I am a Paramedic and work 48 hours in 4 consecutive shifts , the last 2 of which are 14 hour night shifts (1700 to 0700 hours) There is no guarantee of any rest during the 14 hours. Note the 10 hour break between these shifts is reducible to 8 with late finishes. ( for which we do get 1 and a half times normal hourly rate) We then have 3 full days off. Our dayshifts are 10 hours.
I still don't earn what I did in my last years as Cabin Crew - and work a lot more hours after 3 years at uni.
The benefit is that I now feel I am doing something useful.
Head out of the sand and kindly refrain from making such statements before checking facts first.
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Hawkeye -eight EIGHTT years ago frinds in the Hotel game porters receptionists etc for a large International chain, lost shift penalties and overtime, then it was Peter Reith's EBAs and utterly useless unions. Mind you silly f#*kers voted for it because the Hotel told them they would be better off if they did - as if!!!!!!! - and of course they are still waiting to climb the chain they were promised poor sods. 
I have said this before but I really do hope that there is apecial little corner of hell reserved for Howrd and his cronies.
Do you know that if you make more than 90 thou a year you are exempt from unfair dismissal laws? Convenient huh? for when you walk out of politics and straight into a cushy private sector job
I have said this before but I really do hope that there is apecial little corner of hell reserved for Howrd and his cronies.
Do you know that if you make more than 90 thou a year you are exempt from unfair dismissal laws? Convenient huh? for when you walk out of politics and straight into a cushy private sector job
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Priapism
You appear to have made a wise choice...well done.
You do however do your noble work :
In one time zone
You are not constrained by quarantine regulations
Your wife can make sandwiches for you to take to work
Prior to the floating of the $A in 1984 allowances were worth nothing.Most CC spent their allowances and half their wages(Hotel cheque encashment)before they arrived home from the trip.
Wages for CC were rubbish.Most of us had a second job.The government floating the dollar made the difference.Just a happy accident.These allowances are closely aligned to the Public service.Those in public employ receive similar disbursements when overseas on duty.
It is very diificult to remove or lower something that has been available for years.
Personally if my wages/conditions are lowered I will work less and spend less.
You do however do your noble work :
In one time zone
You are not constrained by quarantine regulations
Your wife can make sandwiches for you to take to work
Prior to the floating of the $A in 1984 allowances were worth nothing.Most CC spent their allowances and half their wages(Hotel cheque encashment)before they arrived home from the trip.
Wages for CC were rubbish.Most of us had a second job.The government floating the dollar made the difference.Just a happy accident.These allowances are closely aligned to the Public service.Those in public employ receive similar disbursements when overseas on duty.
It is very diificult to remove or lower something that has been available for years.
Personally if my wages/conditions are lowered I will work less and spend less.
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You'll find the engineers also work 38 hours a week minimum, how many do you do?
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You are absolutely right, sir. My sincere apologies. It's time I again learned to RTFQ.
I shall now quietly stroll into my garage and bang my head against the concrete for being such a dopey. Then... I'll have a cleansing ale and good lie down.
I shall now quietly stroll into my garage and bang my head against the concrete for being such a dopey
. Then... I'll have a cleansing ale and good lie down.
I'm really disappointed that CAIR has gone. My experience with the SOR system has been generally positive, but IMHO there is a big hole left by the absence of CAIR. I had some excellent outcomes from CAIR (when it was operating).Hope yer beer's cold. Chugalug
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Sydney S/H,
please read hawkeye's post that I responded to. He or she stated that all other workers in Aus get o/t after 8 hours. The engineers may, but last time I counted engineers were not the only shift workers in Australia.
please read hawkeye's post that I responded to. He or she stated that all other workers in Aus get o/t after 8 hours. The engineers may, but last time I counted engineers were not the only shift workers in Australia.
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I stand corrected, All shift workers used to get overtime after 8 hours. Cabin crew NEVER did.
PriaprismI take my hat off for what you do. What sickens me is that nurses, paramedics, ambos and teachers have always had to struggle to get descent conditions, oh and cops too.
My post was written to illustrate not what others do or dont get so much as why we haven't pushed hard for a penalty rate for cabin crew.
Priprism in terms of night shift and long hours what other shift workers in Australia besides cabin crew and Pilots are continually exposed to jetlag, radiation, fatigue, reduced quality air environment etc.
One other point, when it comes to earlier statements about crew not turning up or going sick perhaps Mel Bourne could investigate the shafting we at Long Haul got from the company over the bid system. We sold off 25% of our stand down for a system the Company promised would deliver greater stability for EVERYONE, an ability for EVERYONE to plan their lives and futures and it would be a guaranteed SENIORITY system.
Tell me Mel Bourne why anyone should honour a system when they entered an ethical agreement only to be double crossed!
Oh the fine print. Thats right we should have checked the fine print. Or maybe it wasn't what was in the agreement it was that the FAAA at the time couldn't think up every possible circumstance to cover in case they were double crossed. Maybe the FAAA thought this was a professional agreement based on mutual respect.
PriaprismI take my hat off for what you do. What sickens me is that nurses, paramedics, ambos and teachers have always had to struggle to get descent conditions, oh and cops too.
My post was written to illustrate not what others do or dont get so much as why we haven't pushed hard for a penalty rate for cabin crew.
Priprism in terms of night shift and long hours what other shift workers in Australia besides cabin crew and Pilots are continually exposed to jetlag, radiation, fatigue, reduced quality air environment etc.
One other point, when it comes to earlier statements about crew not turning up or going sick perhaps Mel Bourne could investigate the shafting we at Long Haul got from the company over the bid system. We sold off 25% of our stand down for a system the Company promised would deliver greater stability for EVERYONE, an ability for EVERYONE to plan their lives and futures and it would be a guaranteed SENIORITY system.
Tell me Mel Bourne why anyone should honour a system when they entered an ethical agreement only to be double crossed!
Oh the fine print. Thats right we should have checked the fine print. Or maybe it wasn't what was in the agreement it was that the FAAA at the time couldn't think up every possible circumstance to cover in case they were double crossed. Maybe the FAAA thought this was a professional agreement based on mutual respect.
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Facts
The FAAA did not support the introduction of the bid system.
The Company back doored it through the so called "girls union".which incidentally was a a much smaller union at the time.
The Company back doored it through the so called "girls union".which incidentally was a a much smaller union at the time.
hawke eye,
and...
For future reference, "descent" is that thing which happens about 25-30mins from touchdown, when the big loud things on the wing suddenly go quiet and the nose starts pointing towards the ground.
I think "decent" is the word you are after - let me use it in a sentence, "Geoff Dixon is not a decent bloke".
TL
Some also appreciate descent dining at nearby restaurants none of which are cheap.
ambos and teachers have always had to struggle to get descent conditions,
I think "decent" is the word you are after - let me use it in a sentence, "Geoff Dixon is not a decent bloke".
TL
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taxed allowances/SOR's
allowances for cc are taxed when they exceed the amount a deemed equiv staff member at ato would receive. pilots are deemed at a higher staff level so may not be taxed when cc are.
if u have any concerns about confidentially re SOR's send it directly to
susan rice
cabin safety officer (think that is correct title)
the more SOR's the greater her ability to act
Good luck to all who take the package
those remaining behind may need more luck
if u have any concerns about confidentially re SOR's send it directly to
susan rice
cabin safety officer (think that is correct title)
the more SOR's the greater her ability to act
Good luck to all who take the package
those remaining behind may need more luck
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Most of the meal allowances cabin crew receive are tax free.
Last edited by twiggs; 1st Sep 2006 at 11:19. Reason: because Machine Gun Fellatio, LowerLobe and Argus Moon think our allowances are some kind of secret
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Loose Lips
All this specific diatribe about allowances is precisely why we are now taxed...too many loose lips.
I discuss wages, superannuation and allowances with NOBODY
Anyone reading this would say that DIXON is dead right to reduce T and Cs for longhaul CC.
Lets not give him any more ammunition.
I discuss wages, superannuation and allowances with NOBODY
Anyone reading this would say that DIXON is dead right to reduce T and Cs for longhaul CC.
Lets not give him any more ammunition.
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It is exactly this latest post from Twiggs and some of his/her other efforts that make me wonder if he/she is cabin crew at all and not one of the office dwellers....With posts like that Darth gets all the ammunition and support he needs not to mention the ATO
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What I was trying to highlight by quoting those figures was that our allowances are really roughly the same as what people in the public service get, and hence are not excessive.
In addition, I think it needs to be highlighted that when people start throwing around some of the ridiculous annual salary figures that we supposedly earn, that actually quite a large amount of that is meal allowances that have in fact been used up in slip ports paying for meals.
In addition, I think it needs to be highlighted that when people start throwing around some of the ridiculous annual salary figures that we supposedly earn, that actually quite a large amount of that is meal allowances that have in fact been used up in slip ports paying for meals.
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