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andie74,
i am fairly new to Qantas, so therefore i don't have the knowledge of "the good old days", but i still enjoy what i do etc etc etc. What i meant when i said you can't compare it to any other job, i didn't mean someone who is a singer/musician, i meant within the customer service industry, i probably should have said that.
I've forgotten half of what you've written so i can't reply to anything more except, people do love this job as do people love other jobs and it all depends on what you're interested in. Like i wouldn't want to be a singer/musician (only cos i can't sing, lol), just doesn't interest me, probably like your brother wouldn't want to do our job. People have loyalty to the company for different reasons, like i said, the company has made some absolutely stupid decisions that a lot of people disagree with, but people have different opinions on things etc etc so therefore have a different view on what a career can offer. If you're looking for a career in this particular job which is going to resemble the "good old days" then you have the wrong idea, because times are a changing and it's not going to be like the good old days, but like i said it depends on what you're looking for in a career?
anyway, as long as you're enjoying it, doing the job right and having fun, then that's all that counts.
i am fairly new to Qantas, so therefore i don't have the knowledge of "the good old days", but i still enjoy what i do etc etc etc. What i meant when i said you can't compare it to any other job, i didn't mean someone who is a singer/musician, i meant within the customer service industry, i probably should have said that.
I've forgotten half of what you've written so i can't reply to anything more except, people do love this job as do people love other jobs and it all depends on what you're interested in. Like i wouldn't want to be a singer/musician (only cos i can't sing, lol), just doesn't interest me, probably like your brother wouldn't want to do our job. People have loyalty to the company for different reasons, like i said, the company has made some absolutely stupid decisions that a lot of people disagree with, but people have different opinions on things etc etc so therefore have a different view on what a career can offer. If you're looking for a career in this particular job which is going to resemble the "good old days" then you have the wrong idea, because times are a changing and it's not going to be like the good old days, but like i said it depends on what you're looking for in a career?
anyway, as long as you're enjoying it, doing the job right and having fun, then that's all that counts.
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yeah i know what your saying ozcabincrew- as i said, i wasnt sure if i understood exactly where you were coming from with the comparison thing. if you havent been working in the industry long then good on you for having such a positive attitude- its nice to hear.
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speedbird,
$20k NZD = approx $18k AUD - not all that far from the truth I wouldn't have thought? Even on rosters of around 190-200 hours.
I have no vested interest in promoting any aspect of the AKL base. I was merely trying to answer a question.
As for the rosters, I've just taken a quick look at 6 or 7 different AKL based mates' rosters and the average projected hours comes to 191.
$20k NZD = approx $18k AUD - not all that far from the truth I wouldn't have thought? Even on rosters of around 190-200 hours.
I have no vested interest in promoting any aspect of the AKL base. I was merely trying to answer a question.
As for the rosters, I've just taken a quick look at 6 or 7 different AKL based mates' rosters and the average projected hours comes to 191.
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What surprises me about those who post here with the attitude, " oh well , get with the program as the times are [not for the better] changing" is the apparent resignation that nothing can be done about it.
These changes are the result of 10 years of conservative government coupled with their new found senate control.
Wake up, read a newspaper for a change and inform yourselves about the political process in this country.
Alan Ramsey of "The Australian" wrote the following day after the last federal election-
"Never before in Australia's history have the Australian voters got it so wrong"................
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Tuner2,
you are right about the projected hours being around 190 per roster.
Its being called out on standby DURING the roster that has our KIWI friends doing 240 PLUS.
Allowances?
$10 000 AUD max.
Do you have ANY idea the rate of allowances in JNB, PVG, BOM and the like????
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papa smurf,
you certainly do live in Utopia.
Utopia would be a place where suitable casuals are transfered to full time positions after a period of time.
Qantas IS NOT Utopia.
On the contrary, Qantas has become [under dixon] somewhere FAR more Orwellian
These changes are the result of 10 years of conservative government coupled with their new found senate control.
Wake up, read a newspaper for a change and inform yourselves about the political process in this country.
Alan Ramsey of "The Australian" wrote the following day after the last federal election-
"Never before in Australia's history have the Australian voters got it so wrong"................
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Tuner2,
you are right about the projected hours being around 190 per roster.
Its being called out on standby DURING the roster that has our KIWI friends doing 240 PLUS.
Allowances?
$10 000 AUD max.
Do you have ANY idea the rate of allowances in JNB, PVG, BOM and the like????
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papa smurf,
you certainly do live in Utopia.
Utopia would be a place where suitable casuals are transfered to full time positions after a period of time.
Qantas IS NOT Utopia.
On the contrary, Qantas has become [under dixon] somewhere FAR more Orwellian
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Just in case people think that Speedbirdhouse is being alarmist, here is a cut and paste from yesterdays SMH.
It makes VERY sobering reading.............
WorkChoices a health risk, report finds
By Nick O'Malley Workplace Reporter
October 29, 2005
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The Government's pending workplace changes will create a vast pool of low-paid workers with worse health and shorter life expectancy than their wealthier peers, prompting a general decline in health standards, a new study has found.
"There are direct linkages between some aspects of IR policy and health outcomes, especially in relation to infant/child mortality and development," says the report by the University of Sydney's industrial relations research centre.
Yesterday the International Monetary Fund's Asia-Pacific director, David Burton, wrote to the ACTU president, Sharan Burrow standing by its support for the changes, which are due to be introduced to Parliament on Wednesday. They would "improve the functioning of the labour market and help sustain Australia's strong economic performance", he said.
Citing studies by the British epidemiologist Professor Sir Michael Marmot, the university's report says workers with less control over their working life - such as those on contracts - and workers on low pay are more likely to suffer stroke, heart disease, cancer, mental illness and gastrointestinal disease.
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The report, titled The Shape of Things to Come and commissioned by Unions NSW, says labour deregulation like that proposed by the Government "has produced the same results everywhere it has been trialled: greater inequality, the loss of entitlements in low-skill and casualised work, low-wage jobs and fracturing working time arrangements".
It says inequality cuts health standards even in rich countries. "In the developed world, it is not the richest countries that have the best health, but the most egalitarian," the report said. For example the United States is the wealthiest nation but ranks 26th for life expectancy.
The report, which includes a survey of research into the effects of workplace policy on health in Europe and the US, says it is "reasonable to infer the proposed industrial relations reforms are likely to worsen overall population health, especially for those on the lower side of the labour market and social gradient."
It says white-collar employees who are not exposed to dangerous substances or conditions but have less autonomy are also at risk.
The report's author, Chris Briggs, told the Herald the creation of a pool of low-paid, low-skilled workers was the aim of the legislation, not a side effect.
"It is implicit in [Government] statements. They don't want to come out and say it, but when you look at New Zealand, when you look at America that is what you are talking about - large proportions of low-paid jobs," he said.
A second report, compiled by Marian Baird of the University of Sydney's business school, also for Unions NSW, says family time will be eroded by the reforms.
"The proposed changes are likely to undermine and alter employment rights and entitlements and will impact on the ability of workers to participate in families and communities," it says.
"Less regulation of working hours and removal of penalty rates means less chance of maintaining, even notionally, a 'day of rest' for the community."
"The industrial relations system made Australia somewhat special and the undoing of it is commensurate with the undoing of Australia's social fabric."
It makes VERY sobering reading.............
WorkChoices a health risk, report finds
By Nick O'Malley Workplace Reporter
October 29, 2005
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The Government's pending workplace changes will create a vast pool of low-paid workers with worse health and shorter life expectancy than their wealthier peers, prompting a general decline in health standards, a new study has found.
"There are direct linkages between some aspects of IR policy and health outcomes, especially in relation to infant/child mortality and development," says the report by the University of Sydney's industrial relations research centre.
Yesterday the International Monetary Fund's Asia-Pacific director, David Burton, wrote to the ACTU president, Sharan Burrow standing by its support for the changes, which are due to be introduced to Parliament on Wednesday. They would "improve the functioning of the labour market and help sustain Australia's strong economic performance", he said.
Citing studies by the British epidemiologist Professor Sir Michael Marmot, the university's report says workers with less control over their working life - such as those on contracts - and workers on low pay are more likely to suffer stroke, heart disease, cancer, mental illness and gastrointestinal disease.
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The report, titled The Shape of Things to Come and commissioned by Unions NSW, says labour deregulation like that proposed by the Government "has produced the same results everywhere it has been trialled: greater inequality, the loss of entitlements in low-skill and casualised work, low-wage jobs and fracturing working time arrangements".
It says inequality cuts health standards even in rich countries. "In the developed world, it is not the richest countries that have the best health, but the most egalitarian," the report said. For example the United States is the wealthiest nation but ranks 26th for life expectancy.
The report, which includes a survey of research into the effects of workplace policy on health in Europe and the US, says it is "reasonable to infer the proposed industrial relations reforms are likely to worsen overall population health, especially for those on the lower side of the labour market and social gradient."
It says white-collar employees who are not exposed to dangerous substances or conditions but have less autonomy are also at risk.
The report's author, Chris Briggs, told the Herald the creation of a pool of low-paid, low-skilled workers was the aim of the legislation, not a side effect.
"It is implicit in [Government] statements. They don't want to come out and say it, but when you look at New Zealand, when you look at America that is what you are talking about - large proportions of low-paid jobs," he said.
A second report, compiled by Marian Baird of the University of Sydney's business school, also for Unions NSW, says family time will be eroded by the reforms.
"The proposed changes are likely to undermine and alter employment rights and entitlements and will impact on the ability of workers to participate in families and communities," it says.
"Less regulation of working hours and removal of penalty rates means less chance of maintaining, even notionally, a 'day of rest' for the community."
"The industrial relations system made Australia somewhat special and the undoing of it is commensurate with the undoing of Australia's social fabric."
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research released this coming week
a researcher from the anu will release this week a detailed study of the proposed changes to ir and how it will affect workers.
in short.
a race to the bottom
the only permanent jobs in qf in the future will be in nz/uk at very low rates or mam casuals. 5 years max and they want new blood. dont join as a carreer. its not worth it anymore. as a matter of fact if you are thinking of starting a family down the track go and find something else, quick.
in short.
a race to the bottom
the only permanent jobs in qf in the future will be in nz/uk at very low rates or mam casuals. 5 years max and they want new blood. dont join as a carreer. its not worth it anymore. as a matter of fact if you are thinking of starting a family down the track go and find something else, quick.
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i agree in a sense, if you're looking for a full time Flight Attendant career with Qantas based in Australia then you may find it a bit hard. In the future a lot of the recruitment will probably only be MAM casual or for the overseas bases (my opinion). If you are wanting a career with Qantas though, please don't let this hinder your enthusiasm for a career with QF.
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read my lips....
Careers with Qantas(as a flight attendant) are non existent,over ,finished...get it ?
Any assertions to the contrary regarding the Qantas Group and any of its subsidiary airlines is a myth.
Backdooring to mainline via any of these airlines is also providing false hope.
Transfers or career progression is an anachronism.
That is the reality.
To contemplate otherwise is self delusion.
Any assertions to the contrary regarding the Qantas Group and any of its subsidiary airlines is a myth.
Backdooring to mainline via any of these airlines is also providing false hope.
Transfers or career progression is an anachronism.
That is the reality.
To contemplate otherwise is self delusion.
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Full time FA
If anybody is wanting the security of full time employment with an airline in Australia it seems to be that you'll have to go with the regionals, ie Jetstar, NJS, eastern. Once you're employed you are able to put your name on the transfer to mainline list (career progression) and perhaps when you're a year or so from retirement age they'll make you an offer!
At least you'll be able to get a mortgage or a car loan......
At least you'll be able to get a mortgage or a car loan......
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add to the pain
some of you may have seen the new ads run by the australian business council last night. guess what,geoff dixon and dame margret spend a bit of money contributing to those ads. and to add more pain for employees now you have to pay fuel levies, 20.- domestic and 35.- international per sector.
hint/ go online and book virgin or jetstar for about the same price.
another way of getting rid of staff travel alltogether.
do you think geoff or any of the m**s pay. of course not
hint/ go online and book virgin or jetstar for about the same price.
another way of getting rid of staff travel alltogether.
do you think geoff or any of the m**s pay. of course not
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Anyone who thinks securing a position through career progression via the regionals to QF may want to consider other options. The previous 3year E.B.A at Qantaslink/Jetstar saw only 8 crew take up positions with QF. I think most JQ crew [senior and junior ] hope that the chance to join QF will happen. I have serious doubts that day will never come!!
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As we have read on other threads here, CP opportunities are few and far between, and is not unique to Jetstar. Eastern and Sunnies crew have also had to wait longer than is necessary for spaces to be made available - and even then, it's only because the FAAA jumped up and down about it.
The slide to the bottom continues in earnest...unlike the management bonuses, which seem to rise year in, year out above 3% p/a.
The slide to the bottom continues in earnest...unlike the management bonuses, which seem to rise year in, year out above 3% p/a.
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not bashing
Guess I will be accused of FAAA bashing but here goes:
Well what the??? No threat or intimidation???
Erroneous correlations like this are treasonable!
When are the FAAA going to learn that Dixon’s gloves are now well and truly off!
The time for negotiation has passed – how much more evidence is needed:
And so not to be considered just negative, here are a couple of thoughts:
PS:
I loved the SMH headline that read “Qantas hands baton to Jetstar” http://www.smh.com.au/news/business/...401197304.html
It should have read “Qantas bends over and accepts baton up arse from Jetstar”.
FAAA NEWSLETTER dated 28 October 2005
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There appears to be an element of our members who perhaps thought that the FAAA was exaggerating the challenges that confront Long Haul arising from the fact that Qantas has less costly alternatives (Short Haul, Australian Airlines, Overseas Based crew and the increasingly likely use of Jetstar internationally) to utilize for international flying.
Any such notion should now be dispelled. The Perth base closure demonstrates in stark terms what can happen if we as a group refuse to be flexible in relation to such matters as the New York dispensation which is intended to protect our traditional international flying.
There is no threat implied or intended by the FAAA, nor do we believe that we are scaremongering...
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There appears to be an element of our members who perhaps thought that the FAAA was exaggerating the challenges that confront Long Haul arising from the fact that Qantas has less costly alternatives (Short Haul, Australian Airlines, Overseas Based crew and the increasingly likely use of Jetstar internationally) to utilize for international flying.
Any such notion should now be dispelled. The Perth base closure demonstrates in stark terms what can happen if we as a group refuse to be flexible in relation to such matters as the New York dispensation which is intended to protect our traditional international flying.
There is no threat implied or intended by the FAAA, nor do we believe that we are scaremongering...
Erroneous correlations like this are treasonable!
When are the FAAA going to learn that Dixon’s gloves are now well and truly off!
The time for negotiation has passed – how much more evidence is needed:
- Dixon pledges QF money to support Howard’s IR changes
- Hundreds of jobs already gone
- Threats of thousands more to go off-shore http://www.smh.com.au/news/business/...775925328.html
- Jetstar international
- Pilots’ EBA claim for 3% requires offsets (effectively not even delivering CPI)
- Perth base closure despite continual promises to the contrary
- Threats of long haul flying going to bases if we don’t accept company demands
- Disgraceful leave burning program and massive part-time to avoid offering redundancy
- Unprecedented numbers of crew on trial under “disciplinary action”
And so not to be considered just negative, here are a couple of thoughts:
- If QF reckons they can crew the JFK with AKL crew let them!
Why should we voluntarily breach hard fought for and earned EBA and OH&S conditions because it suits QF.
And what will suit QF next – no more double slips otherwise we give the flying to bases? VOTE NO TO THE DISPENSATION - Forget about the LAX accommodation issue and concentrate on matters of importance!
Frankly, and mark my words on this: the FAAA has a snowflakes chance in hell of winning once the commissioner has visited this pub. And if by some miracle the FAAA do win we will be back at Anaheim or San Pedro. I’m not saying the current hotel is perfect but it’s a whole world better than previous options.
But to the point, this is merely a distraction and one at this point in time that is too expensive to concentrate on. An FAAA win will be celebrated with grandiose jubilation while QF get on with the real mission of screwing all workers.
PS:
I loved the SMH headline that read “Qantas hands baton to Jetstar” http://www.smh.com.au/news/business/...401197304.html
It should have read “Qantas bends over and accepts baton up arse from Jetstar”.
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When is the FAAA going to wake up???
What amazes me about the above statement is the complete lack of comprehension about what exactly the FAAA leadership has been saying for over 12 months.
Clearly its time for some flight attendants to either leave or Qantas should start some whole sale sackings of the dead wood..
The people who need to wake up are the crew that live in the land that time forgot!!!!
The entire world has changed over the last 20 yrs, in particular in aviation. Long HAul and to a large extent Short Haul Cabin Crew have seen little change.
A few whinge about hotels and slip ports, but the service onboard has never been easier, passengers in J/C and P/C sleep in flat beds and hardly wake and in Y/C they have IFE theat keep them occupied. L/H are working an average of 23 hours a week for a gross salary including all allowances of about 70-80k pa.
i know this coz my fellow flight attendants are regularly telling the banks that to get ever larger mortgages.
If anyone thinks that they can earn that sort of money with the conditions we enjoy elsewhere then they should just leave and show the way to all their mates.
The vast majority of crew are looking to the FAAA to work with the Company to achieve job security. That will only be achieved if QF management thinks that;
A) Long Haul crew are worth keeping on
B) That the FAAA has the capacity to negotiate pragmatically and sensibly rather than just saying no to everything.
and C) that the FAAA remains viable as it has done over many years because more than ever with the new IR laws individual will need their Union even more.
If anyone thinks that the FAAA leadership can perform magic then they will have to wait for SAnta to bring them their next wish list its not going to happen.
If flight attendants think that crew can somehow "fight" Qantas as opposed to salvaging as much important stuff as they can whilst negotiating on less important things and ensuring some esmblance of job security then they are deluded.
For those doomsayers that say its all stuffed anyways and we are all going to lose our jobs i say this...LEAVE NOW..because you will ensure that Qantas does do that if you continue to bahave the way you are.
Our only hope is to last out the current management by carefully working with them without throwing the baby out with the bathwater.
Our EBA will be under attack when the new IR laws are passed. It may mean that the CAP on overseas bases is unenforceable. You wont be able to take industrial action so the only way forward is negotiation like unions have done in other countries where draconian laws were introduced.
Those workers who still have jobs and reasonable conditions negotiated. The domestic pilots in the 89/90 dispute are the best example of what happens when you get into a dispute that you cant win. They should have negotiated and they would all still have jobs.
When you see the new IR laws, and actually reflect how on balance our conditions are still excellent by flight attendant and community standards then perhaps you will understand some of the FAAA strategy for Job security
Clearly its time for some flight attendants to either leave or Qantas should start some whole sale sackings of the dead wood..
The people who need to wake up are the crew that live in the land that time forgot!!!!
The entire world has changed over the last 20 yrs, in particular in aviation. Long HAul and to a large extent Short Haul Cabin Crew have seen little change.
A few whinge about hotels and slip ports, but the service onboard has never been easier, passengers in J/C and P/C sleep in flat beds and hardly wake and in Y/C they have IFE theat keep them occupied. L/H are working an average of 23 hours a week for a gross salary including all allowances of about 70-80k pa.
i know this coz my fellow flight attendants are regularly telling the banks that to get ever larger mortgages.
If anyone thinks that they can earn that sort of money with the conditions we enjoy elsewhere then they should just leave and show the way to all their mates.
The vast majority of crew are looking to the FAAA to work with the Company to achieve job security. That will only be achieved if QF management thinks that;
A) Long Haul crew are worth keeping on
B) That the FAAA has the capacity to negotiate pragmatically and sensibly rather than just saying no to everything.
and C) that the FAAA remains viable as it has done over many years because more than ever with the new IR laws individual will need their Union even more.
If anyone thinks that the FAAA leadership can perform magic then they will have to wait for SAnta to bring them their next wish list its not going to happen.
If flight attendants think that crew can somehow "fight" Qantas as opposed to salvaging as much important stuff as they can whilst negotiating on less important things and ensuring some esmblance of job security then they are deluded.
For those doomsayers that say its all stuffed anyways and we are all going to lose our jobs i say this...LEAVE NOW..because you will ensure that Qantas does do that if you continue to bahave the way you are.
Our only hope is to last out the current management by carefully working with them without throwing the baby out with the bathwater.
Our EBA will be under attack when the new IR laws are passed. It may mean that the CAP on overseas bases is unenforceable. You wont be able to take industrial action so the only way forward is negotiation like unions have done in other countries where draconian laws were introduced.
Those workers who still have jobs and reasonable conditions negotiated. The domestic pilots in the 89/90 dispute are the best example of what happens when you get into a dispute that you cant win. They should have negotiated and they would all still have jobs.
When you see the new IR laws, and actually reflect how on balance our conditions are still excellent by flight attendant and community standards then perhaps you will understand some of the FAAA strategy for Job security
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While you make some salient points, some of what you say needs to be put into perspective.
$70-$80K is not an average.
Less than 20% of crew earn this type of money.To do so they are putting in a hell of a lot overtime.
The human body has physical limits.So the 23 hours a week you quote needs to be seen in the context of these limits and the stresses intercontinental flying places on our bodies.
The last ten years has been nothing but change.It certainly hasn't been boring.
I embrace change ..it keeps things interesting and allows us all to move forward.
I don't however embrace the malice in which QF management implements its change.
Recent engagement surveys are appalling.This is right across the company not just Cabin Crew.
We haven't seen technological change like this since 1981 when the SP was introduced.
I am a great supporter of the FAAA and its pragmatic approach.
We need to keep things in perspective.
We need to mindful of the effects that 20 hour plus tours of duty will have on all of us.
We need to be looking at increasing slip times after these sectors.
Limiting the number of these sectors per BP.
Increasing standown times when an "ultra"sector is a component of the pattern.
Payment for hours in excess of 15 need to be monetarily realistic.
All things need to be in balance.
At present its not looking that way.
Look whats happened in the states.The only Airline doing well is Southwest.
Their priorities:
1.Employees
2.Customers
3.Shareholders.(Fin Review story 2 weeks ago)
Staff surveys indicate loyalty and commitment and a high level of morale and motivation
We all earnt a lot less 25 years ago and morale commitment and motivation were exponentially higher.
Management treated employees like family and employees responded positively.
If QF management were more communicative and stopped treating staff as the enemy circumstances would improve enormously.
Lets see what happens when the "viagra driven dwarf" retires.
Things can only improve.
With staff engagement surveys as bad as ours one wonders how the company functions at all.
$70-$80K is not an average.
Less than 20% of crew earn this type of money.To do so they are putting in a hell of a lot overtime.
The human body has physical limits.So the 23 hours a week you quote needs to be seen in the context of these limits and the stresses intercontinental flying places on our bodies.
The last ten years has been nothing but change.It certainly hasn't been boring.
I embrace change ..it keeps things interesting and allows us all to move forward.
I don't however embrace the malice in which QF management implements its change.
Recent engagement surveys are appalling.This is right across the company not just Cabin Crew.
We haven't seen technological change like this since 1981 when the SP was introduced.
I am a great supporter of the FAAA and its pragmatic approach.
We need to keep things in perspective.
We need to mindful of the effects that 20 hour plus tours of duty will have on all of us.
We need to be looking at increasing slip times after these sectors.
Limiting the number of these sectors per BP.
Increasing standown times when an "ultra"sector is a component of the pattern.
Payment for hours in excess of 15 need to be monetarily realistic.
All things need to be in balance.
At present its not looking that way.
Look whats happened in the states.The only Airline doing well is Southwest.
Their priorities:
1.Employees
2.Customers
3.Shareholders.(Fin Review story 2 weeks ago)
Staff surveys indicate loyalty and commitment and a high level of morale and motivation
We all earnt a lot less 25 years ago and morale commitment and motivation were exponentially higher.
Management treated employees like family and employees responded positively.
If QF management were more communicative and stopped treating staff as the enemy circumstances would improve enormously.
Lets see what happens when the "viagra driven dwarf" retires.
Things can only improve.
With staff engagement surveys as bad as ours one wonders how the company functions at all.
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Totally agree with you Simon_T,
in an ideal world the senior management of Qantas might recognise that a re-engaged work force would deliver untold benefits. Unfortunately those benefits do not reduce costs and costs, and productivity that equates to an overall cost reduction is all that counts in their minds.
We have to find a way of delivering some of that cost reduction without either making the job no longer worth doing for whats being offered or secondly in a way that doesnt involve the company out sourcing all of our jobs to O/S based crew or short haul or Jetstar international.
If the OS crew or the other Qantas group employees keep undercutting us for their own job security then its the spiral to the bottom that we have to try and avoid.
I dont think that having the view that Dixon and his management can get stuffed and we will just run along hanging on to the family silver will protect us for ever.
At some stage we need to take a wholesale look at the future of flying and decide whether we want to try and compete in some way with the others that want our work or get out of it all together,
Flying and flight attendants are going the way of the non existent manufacturing industry in this country. Now its not just Us in the flight attendant position but engineeers with their work going to asia, and pilots being sent to singapore and check in staff being replaced with computers.
Personally i cant believe Australians want to live in a country like that but i know for a fact that they dont give a rats ass as long as they can get a cheap ticket and a plasma made in china from harvey norman on a 4 yeat interest free deal.
Some time in the future someone will have to deal with the consequences of it all and i am sorry to say that many of us will be like the shoe makers and tv makers that used to be in australia unless either the ppl of australia or the goverment changes its policies,
In the mean time i hope the FAAA contunues to keep jobs in Australia as its highest priority in the hope that we can live to fight another day in better times
in an ideal world the senior management of Qantas might recognise that a re-engaged work force would deliver untold benefits. Unfortunately those benefits do not reduce costs and costs, and productivity that equates to an overall cost reduction is all that counts in their minds.
We have to find a way of delivering some of that cost reduction without either making the job no longer worth doing for whats being offered or secondly in a way that doesnt involve the company out sourcing all of our jobs to O/S based crew or short haul or Jetstar international.
If the OS crew or the other Qantas group employees keep undercutting us for their own job security then its the spiral to the bottom that we have to try and avoid.
I dont think that having the view that Dixon and his management can get stuffed and we will just run along hanging on to the family silver will protect us for ever.
At some stage we need to take a wholesale look at the future of flying and decide whether we want to try and compete in some way with the others that want our work or get out of it all together,
Flying and flight attendants are going the way of the non existent manufacturing industry in this country. Now its not just Us in the flight attendant position but engineeers with their work going to asia, and pilots being sent to singapore and check in staff being replaced with computers.
Personally i cant believe Australians want to live in a country like that but i know for a fact that they dont give a rats ass as long as they can get a cheap ticket and a plasma made in china from harvey norman on a 4 yeat interest free deal.
Some time in the future someone will have to deal with the consequences of it all and i am sorry to say that many of us will be like the shoe makers and tv makers that used to be in australia unless either the ppl of australia or the goverment changes its policies,
In the mean time i hope the FAAA contunues to keep jobs in Australia as its highest priority in the hope that we can live to fight another day in better times
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An excellent post Simon Templar.
The thugs running QF who lack anything constructive in the way of management technique could learn a lot from the approach taken by those running Southwest.
Come to think of it. Southwest sounds much like how QF was before the poison dwarf took over.
Things don't look like at improving under Borghetti, AKA "Il Duce".
Especially given the recent comments he made at a company "roadshow'. He sadly appears to be just another one dimensional thug in the same mould as Dixon.
http://www.afrboss.com.au/magarticle...isted_months=1
Oh BTW, I wonder if those running Southwest feel the need to have metal detectors and Xray machines at their annual general meetings ..................?
Is it me or has Qantas has become almost as dysfunctional as the poison dwarf running it????
The thugs running QF who lack anything constructive in the way of management technique could learn a lot from the approach taken by those running Southwest.
Come to think of it. Southwest sounds much like how QF was before the poison dwarf took over.
Things don't look like at improving under Borghetti, AKA "Il Duce".
Especially given the recent comments he made at a company "roadshow'. He sadly appears to be just another one dimensional thug in the same mould as Dixon.
http://www.afrboss.com.au/magarticle...isted_months=1
Oh BTW, I wonder if those running Southwest feel the need to have metal detectors and Xray machines at their annual general meetings ..................?
Is it me or has Qantas has become almost as dysfunctional as the poison dwarf running it????
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QF Lacks,Southwest has....
.......ESPRIT De CORP.
Any CEO worth his salt will tell you that great morale with result in a 10-15% productivity increase at zero cost.
The VDD is not a CEO worth his salt.
What ARE his credentials?
Who is this SOB?
How did he become the CEO of QF and turn a once proud Icon into a battlefield.
You don't have to be genius to cut costs and increase aircraft utilisation.
You do however need some savvy to encourage your employees to share your vision for the future.
You need to be damn clever to make effective and efficient use of your revenue base.
Dixon fails miserably on both counts.
Introduce some ESPRIT and invite your staff to share your vision and you can have a business that thrives and excels or......
You can have what the VDD has...3/5 of 5/8 of "F" all
NB.VDD :viagra driven dwarf.
If there is Karma in this life VDD is in for a rude shock.
Any CEO worth his salt will tell you that great morale with result in a 10-15% productivity increase at zero cost.
The VDD is not a CEO worth his salt.
What ARE his credentials?
Who is this SOB?
How did he become the CEO of QF and turn a once proud Icon into a battlefield.
You don't have to be genius to cut costs and increase aircraft utilisation.
You do however need some savvy to encourage your employees to share your vision for the future.
You need to be damn clever to make effective and efficient use of your revenue base.
Dixon fails miserably on both counts.
Introduce some ESPRIT and invite your staff to share your vision and you can have a business that thrives and excels or......
You can have what the VDD has...3/5 of 5/8 of "F" all
NB.VDD :viagra driven dwarf.
If there is Karma in this life VDD is in for a rude shock.
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I am totally offended by what the three 'stoogesses' who are running the FAAA said in their newsletter
In the perth base, we were as flexible as they come.We put up with the bidding system not working [no help form either the FAAA or the company on that issue]. We suggested more dense pattern possibilities [ignored by the company and the FAAA] we allowed the bastardisation of our rosters, with little complaint, and still managed to do our job a hell of a lot better than sydney crew [read the satisfaction from customer surveys].
Good luck to those of you in Perth Shorthaul, we are coming and with a hell of a lot of seniority. Look forward to your Pursers trying to tell us what to do on a HKG ! It will be a laugh [oh and after my last paxing trip on shorthaul crewed flight, get ready for some lessons on how to provide proper service on an international sector!]
I am still trying to work out who shafted us the most; Shorthaul, Management or the Longhaul FAAA. Dont really care, at least I will get to write my rosters in the shorthaul base. And very glad to be getting away from the longhaul FAAA. Good luck to the MEL & BNE longhaul Bases, you will need it, your union cannot comprehend anything outside of Sydney!
The Perth base closure demonstrates in stark terms what can happen if we as a group refuse to be flexible
Good luck to those of you in Perth Shorthaul, we are coming and with a hell of a lot of seniority. Look forward to your Pursers trying to tell us what to do on a HKG ! It will be a laugh [oh and after my last paxing trip on shorthaul crewed flight, get ready for some lessons on how to provide proper service on an international sector!]
I am still trying to work out who shafted us the most; Shorthaul, Management or the Longhaul FAAA. Dont really care, at least I will get to write my rosters in the shorthaul base. And very glad to be getting away from the longhaul FAAA. Good luck to the MEL & BNE longhaul Bases, you will need it, your union cannot comprehend anything outside of Sydney!