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Shorthaulers are a blindingly selfish and shortsighted lot.
The most junior shorthaulers get rolling blanklines and there are enough casuals [1/3rd of the total it is rumoured] that anyone who can bid doesn't have to do much of the unpopular flying.
This explains why the casuals do so much of the international flying.
Hard work just isn't very popular.............
The sooner both International FAAA [oops sorry, Longhaul FAAA] get together WITH the shorthaul FAAA the better off we will ALL be.
As Simon mentioned.
It'll be very interesting to see if they, "blow their other foot off".
SIN- DRW- ADL- SYD- AKL............?
For $1000 one off payment the shorthaulers would vote for it.
The most junior shorthaulers get rolling blanklines and there are enough casuals [1/3rd of the total it is rumoured] that anyone who can bid doesn't have to do much of the unpopular flying.
This explains why the casuals do so much of the international flying.
Hard work just isn't very popular.............
The sooner both International FAAA [oops sorry, Longhaul FAAA] get together WITH the shorthaul FAAA the better off we will ALL be.
As Simon mentioned.
It'll be very interesting to see if they, "blow their other foot off".
SIN- DRW- ADL- SYD- AKL............?
For $1000 one off payment the shorthaulers would vote for it.
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Wake Up & Smell The Coffee
God, it has been fascinating watching the great Qf debate here. It has been like watching the Dinosaurs after the asteroid hit the earth. They're dead already but don't even know it yet. The electronic message hasn't travelled from the tip of the tail to the very small brain.
The simple truth for you Qf longhaul folks is that you priced yourself out of the market some time ago. The world moved on and the LoCo's changed everything for ever. There are always people who will do more work for less money, in any job. If you had the smarts to know this you might still be viable.
Those of you who post regularly here - Doesn't it bother you that everything is always everybody elses fault and never yours. Its the Union, its the Pilots, its the Managers, its the Government, its the Competitors - no, hang on, now its the shorthaulers. If you gave up a small fraction of the energy that you give to fighting each other to fighting for the cause, you might have a chance. As it is your senior managers must find it hard to get up off the floor from laughting. And all the time the electronic message gets closer to the little brain.
A job loss is a tragedy for anybody - my heart goes out to those Qf staff who are affected through no fault of their own and who know better than to winge in here. The crews in Europe have worked out what is going on in the business some time ago, and have gone through all the pain - with more to come. The USA still has the pain to come thanks to chapter 11. In australia you are going through it now. Those who survive in the future will be those who can see the future and adapt. Those who won't survive are here in this forum, hissing and spitting at everybody - it wont help them in the end.
The simple truth for you Qf longhaul folks is that you priced yourself out of the market some time ago. The world moved on and the LoCo's changed everything for ever. There are always people who will do more work for less money, in any job. If you had the smarts to know this you might still be viable.
Those of you who post regularly here - Doesn't it bother you that everything is always everybody elses fault and never yours. Its the Union, its the Pilots, its the Managers, its the Government, its the Competitors - no, hang on, now its the shorthaulers. If you gave up a small fraction of the energy that you give to fighting each other to fighting for the cause, you might have a chance. As it is your senior managers must find it hard to get up off the floor from laughting. And all the time the electronic message gets closer to the little brain.
A job loss is a tragedy for anybody - my heart goes out to those Qf staff who are affected through no fault of their own and who know better than to winge in here. The crews in Europe have worked out what is going on in the business some time ago, and have gone through all the pain - with more to come. The USA still has the pain to come thanks to chapter 11. In australia you are going through it now. Those who survive in the future will be those who can see the future and adapt. Those who won't survive are here in this forum, hissing and spitting at everybody - it wont help them in the end.
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And Qantas continues to post record profit, after record profit, after record profit.
Your post, dogs ears up is full of rhetoric and nothing else........................
Longhaul havn't priced themselves out of the market as you have disengenuously suggested.
Rather Qantas have transferred the work to a group who have foolishly agreed to do it for less.
Now it would seem they are waking up to the fact that international flying under the conditions they have agreed to isn't all its cracked up to be.
Oh BTW, had you considered a job with the Federal Liberal Party. I hear they are looking for advocates for their anti- employee IR laws..........................
How does it go?
"Oh sorry, you've "priced yourself out of the market" [read, we have found someone who will do your work for less], sign this AWA or security will walk you to the door "
Your post, dogs ears up is full of rhetoric and nothing else........................
Longhaul havn't priced themselves out of the market as you have disengenuously suggested.
Rather Qantas have transferred the work to a group who have foolishly agreed to do it for less.
Now it would seem they are waking up to the fact that international flying under the conditions they have agreed to isn't all its cracked up to be.
Oh BTW, had you considered a job with the Federal Liberal Party. I hear they are looking for advocates for their anti- employee IR laws..........................
How does it go?
"Oh sorry, you've "priced yourself out of the market" [read, we have found someone who will do your work for less], sign this AWA or security will walk you to the door "
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Ok my English friend instead of commentary on Qantas,how about you make some observations about BA.
They have more crew on a jumbo.
Receive more in allowance.
Are paid more (exchange rate allowed for)
All this is because they have an excellent association and are united.
The UK does not have a very extensive shorthaul net work as the place is so small.
No room for treachery from shorthaul crew.
Two things lead to our renumeration.
1.The Australian government floated the Australaian dollar in 1984.
2.The Company "forced" a bid system on us in 1988.
This reduced our standown from 75% to 50 % and paid us an hourly rate.A rate they introduced not us.
Now they complain.
In 1983 my allowances were worth nothing and I got paid peanuts.I didn't mind I loved the job and Qantas.
I had a second job(like most of us)as cruise director on one of the larger boats cruising around the harbour.
So my pommy friend do a bit more research before you open your gob.
BTW what do YOU do to earn a crust?
They have more crew on a jumbo.
Receive more in allowance.
Are paid more (exchange rate allowed for)
All this is because they have an excellent association and are united.
The UK does not have a very extensive shorthaul net work as the place is so small.
No room for treachery from shorthaul crew.
Two things lead to our renumeration.
1.The Australian government floated the Australaian dollar in 1984.
2.The Company "forced" a bid system on us in 1988.
This reduced our standown from 75% to 50 % and paid us an hourly rate.A rate they introduced not us.
Now they complain.
In 1983 my allowances were worth nothing and I got paid peanuts.I didn't mind I loved the job and Qantas.
I had a second job(like most of us)as cruise director on one of the larger boats cruising around the harbour.
So my pommy friend do a bit more research before you open your gob.
BTW what do YOU do to earn a crust?
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TIME FOR A BROOM TO SWEEP AWAY THE CURRENT SPINELESS SHORT HAUL FAAA LEADERSHIP.
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SHORT HAUL (lack of) LEADERSHIP MUST GO
THe common thread in all the drama in flying at Qantas seems to be the spineless incompetent leadership of the Domestic Branch of the FAAA. THe current PResident of Short Haul has taken a position in the Long Haul London Base and hasnt even got the integrity to resign.
At best she should now be a member of the International Division of the FAAA and ineligble to even be a member of the Domestic DIvision at worst she is an example of whats rotten in the state of the Short Haul Division.
THe current Short Haul Union is actually run by an indistrial officer with the Federal Secretary running after him like a dutiful labradour.
Time to go the lot of you !!!!
At best she should now be a member of the International Division of the FAAA and ineligble to even be a member of the Domestic DIvision at worst she is an example of whats rotten in the state of the Short Haul Division.
THe current Short Haul Union is actually run by an indistrial officer with the Federal Secretary running after him like a dutiful labradour.
Time to go the lot of you !!!!
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westozflyer,
Why dont you take a moment to read back over your response and see that you have serious aggression issues.
The short answer - with you attitude....YES.
Why dont you take a moment to read back over your response and see that you have serious aggression issues.
What are you gonna do? stand me down?delay a flight over it?
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here is your chance
PERTH CSM/CSS YOU HAVE THE OPPORTUNITY NOW.
Qf offered to have transfered csm in their current category to sh, the faaa lh agreed but sh union blocking it. so here is a great opportunity to legally take against the shorthaul union.
1) bring the case to the anti-discriminations board attention.
2) taking legal action against shorthaul union (what is essentially the same job, same aircraft now)
3)take legal action against individual shorthaul excecutives for trauma, suffereing, etc.
4)css can also claim what is essentially the same job but they want to pay you a lower wage.
this is a real opportunity to set thing straight for the future.
you are in a no loose situation, even qf backs you on that one.
have a go, i certainly would.
Qf offered to have transfered csm in their current category to sh, the faaa lh agreed but sh union blocking it. so here is a great opportunity to legally take against the shorthaul union.
1) bring the case to the anti-discriminations board attention.
2) taking legal action against shorthaul union (what is essentially the same job, same aircraft now)
3)take legal action against individual shorthaul excecutives for trauma, suffereing, etc.
4)css can also claim what is essentially the same job but they want to pay you a lower wage.
this is a real opportunity to set thing straight for the future.
you are in a no loose situation, even qf backs you on that one.
have a go, i certainly would.
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The Problem
Shorthaul has always had a self esteem problem.Much like the "short" little brother living in the shadow of the more sophisticated first born sibling.
All this stupidity is really about attention seeking and an "I'll show you" attitude.
In trying to pull down longhaul they are denigrating their own conditions.
The next EBA will more than likely compound the stupidity and errors of their last.
Most people in shorthaul were there because of the family friendly flying.
Those days are over.
You will work a lot harder,be away longer and earn less.
Absolutely outstanding.
Start looking for good divorce lawyers..you're going to need one.
Shorthaul is dead....long live regional(not)
Why not just combine the lot?
With the seniority in longhaul we would do all the short flying and the intelligensia of shorthaul could do all the rest.
I think I'll ring VDD.
Maybe I'll get an incentive bonus or a new car like the shothaul FAAA executive received.
Well,...they must have received something.
You would have to be a total imbecile to do it(sellout) for nothing.
Then again we are talking shorthaul.
"Short" on everything..integrity credibility honesty and intelligence.
All this stupidity is really about attention seeking and an "I'll show you" attitude.
In trying to pull down longhaul they are denigrating their own conditions.
The next EBA will more than likely compound the stupidity and errors of their last.
Most people in shorthaul were there because of the family friendly flying.
Those days are over.
You will work a lot harder,be away longer and earn less.
Absolutely outstanding.
Start looking for good divorce lawyers..you're going to need one.
Shorthaul is dead....long live regional(not)
Why not just combine the lot?
With the seniority in longhaul we would do all the short flying and the intelligensia of shorthaul could do all the rest.
I think I'll ring VDD.
Maybe I'll get an incentive bonus or a new car like the shothaul FAAA executive received.
Well,...they must have received something.
You would have to be a total imbecile to do it(sellout) for nothing.
Then again we are talking shorthaul.
"Short" on everything..integrity credibility honesty and intelligence.
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I dont know if shorthaul is dead but is certainly changing...bigtime.
But if shorthaul is dead then where does it leave longhaul. This is not a dig...i actually feel sorry for l/h. I never voted for the last eba and in general avoid regional patterns (only one regional to date - and not by choice).
Seriously - where will QF longhaul fly to? A huge chunk of Asia is looking like being covered by s/h, Mumbai (****) could be heading our way, Jetstar is cutting into the Tasman's, Australian is possibly taking more - eg. Honolulu etc...
It leaves Frankfurt, Sth Africa, US, limited Asian sectors and 1 a day to the UK.
You will find that in the S/H base in Sydney the overwhelming majority did NOT vote for the last eba and wont for this one. You have to remember that a massive amount of the Syd S/H base are ex longhaul - i heard figures in the 70% range. They certainly didnt vote to become an international hostie again - thats what they escaped.
Times are changing.... scarey.
But if shorthaul is dead then where does it leave longhaul. This is not a dig...i actually feel sorry for l/h. I never voted for the last eba and in general avoid regional patterns (only one regional to date - and not by choice).
Seriously - where will QF longhaul fly to? A huge chunk of Asia is looking like being covered by s/h, Mumbai (****) could be heading our way, Jetstar is cutting into the Tasman's, Australian is possibly taking more - eg. Honolulu etc...
It leaves Frankfurt, Sth Africa, US, limited Asian sectors and 1 a day to the UK.
You will find that in the S/H base in Sydney the overwhelming majority did NOT vote for the last eba and wont for this one. You have to remember that a massive amount of the Syd S/H base are ex longhaul - i heard figures in the 70% range. They certainly didnt vote to become an international hostie again - thats what they escaped.
Times are changing.... scarey.
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All of us who loved this once fine airline are not only shattered we are truly f*cked.
Welcome to the brave new world.
I didn't vote for the Gimp (Howard)
I didn't vote for the EBA7
It will not stop until there is a change of government- if ever. That's why lil Johnny is smiling
Welcome to the brave new world.
I didn't vote for the Gimp (Howard)
I didn't vote for the EBA7
It will not stop until there is a change of government- if ever. That's why lil Johnny is smiling
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Did anyone see the top 20 ads on tv last night?
Number 1 was the Qantas ad. No surprise - i reckon it is an incredible ad. Any why? Because people they interviewed said how it made them feel Australian etc...
One girl said that she felt like she was already home when she walked through the terminal when overseas and saw the red and white tail.....
Pity when she gets onboard she is then greeted by a bunch of non-aussies.
Number 1 was the Qantas ad. No surprise - i reckon it is an incredible ad. Any why? Because people they interviewed said how it made them feel Australian etc...
One girl said that she felt like she was already home when she walked through the terminal when overseas and saw the red and white tail.....
Pity when she gets onboard she is then greeted by a bunch of non-aussies.
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Half a dozen posts later, and not much further on, except that we have learned that shorthaul lives
The arrogance is breathtaking.
Look, I wont hang around after this post for a protracted argument - there's no point - there are none so blind as those that choose not to see. Besides - its too easy to swat me away as not being an australian (if only it was that easy with those actually employed by Qf @ LHR & BKK - does your distaste for "non-aussies" extend to 1st/2nd generation immigrant citizens, or just to those who dont comply with your own personal version of what makes an australian?)
One last time, for the rednecks in here - doesn't it strike you as just a little bit worrying that you know better than your employer, your government, your union and a majority of your working colleagues? Isn't there just the smallest chance that some of them may be on to something? If youre so right, and everybody else is so wrong, how come that you seem to do so badly whenever things get put to the vote?
End of story for me now - we have enough problems of our own over here Ill leave you to get on with yours
in the shadow of the more sophisticated first born sibling
Look, I wont hang around after this post for a protracted argument - there's no point - there are none so blind as those that choose not to see. Besides - its too easy to swat me away as not being an australian (if only it was that easy with those actually employed by Qf @ LHR & BKK - does your distaste for "non-aussies" extend to 1st/2nd generation immigrant citizens, or just to those who dont comply with your own personal version of what makes an australian?)
One last time, for the rednecks in here - doesn't it strike you as just a little bit worrying that you know better than your employer, your government, your union and a majority of your working colleagues? Isn't there just the smallest chance that some of them may be on to something? If youre so right, and everybody else is so wrong, how come that you seem to do so badly whenever things get put to the vote?
End of story for me now - we have enough problems of our own over here Ill leave you to get on with yours
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Mmmmm.
Jamie Packers dad(Kezza)owns Channel Nine.
Jamie now sits on the board of Qantas.
When compiling the info for this programme how did they reach the conclusion that the QF ad was the best?
Simple, VDD and Jamie had a beer at the Buena Vista Pub in Mosman.
Hey presto QF has the best ad.
Puke!
How transparent.
Jamie now sits on the board of Qantas.
When compiling the info for this programme how did they reach the conclusion that the QF ad was the best?
Simple, VDD and Jamie had a beer at the Buena Vista Pub in Mosman.
Hey presto QF has the best ad.
Puke!
How transparent.
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"The arrogance is breathtaking."
What arrogance?
Oh, having an "original contract" BA CC member telling QF longhaul that they are overpaid?
That is arrogance.
You have no understanding of the issues facing ALL workers in Australia.
Prique.
What arrogance?
Oh, having an "original contract" BA CC member telling QF longhaul that they are overpaid?
That is arrogance.
You have no understanding of the issues facing ALL workers in Australia.
Prique.
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Onto something...Dogs
Sure they are onto something
!.How to increase their incentive bonuses
2.How to screw the workers.
The Earl of Shaftesbury(a pommy)would be turning in his grave.
Dogs when you can't construct an argument what do you do?
Resort to emotive name calling...redneck.
How enormously naive you are to even contemplate that Governments and employers are infallible and therefore know what is best for their children(electorate/employees)
I have a bridge for sale....interested.?
BTW Dogs I didn't say you were BA.
I asked you:
1.To make an observation about them(BA)
2.I asked you what you did for a crust
......and no response to either.
The biggest problem the UK has, is that it has you, as one of its citizens.
!.How to increase their incentive bonuses
2.How to screw the workers.
The Earl of Shaftesbury(a pommy)would be turning in his grave.
Dogs when you can't construct an argument what do you do?
Resort to emotive name calling...redneck.
How enormously naive you are to even contemplate that Governments and employers are infallible and therefore know what is best for their children(electorate/employees)
I have a bridge for sale....interested.?
BTW Dogs I didn't say you were BA.
I asked you:
1.To make an observation about them(BA)
2.I asked you what you did for a crust
......and no response to either.
The biggest problem the UK has, is that it has you, as one of its citizens.
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The class war begins....................
The following is a cut and paste from todays Australian-
Michael Costello: The industrial relations bill is a declaration of class war
November 04, 2005
FANS of television poker tournaments will be familiar with the sight of the gambler pushing all their chips to the centre of the table, declaring: "I'm all in."
In the parliamentary poker game this week that gambler is John Howard. With his "WorkChoices" industrial relations bill Howard has bet his prime ministership on seizing the power of the independent umpire and putting it entirely in the hands of business.
The change is massive - at 687 pages, literally as well as substantively. The change is extreme, giving workers just one choice when facing employers in negotiations over pay and conditions: take it or leave it.
Howard has gone "all in". The bill is proof that the marshmallow advertisements soft-soaping the changes with voters are as deceptive as they could possibly be.
Australian Workplace Agreements will now overwhelmingly become the terms under which people are employed, not awards or enterprise bargains. Before, there wasn't much incentive for employers to move employees on to AWAs because the overall value of the agreement made had to be at least that of the award.
Howard knows that employers will rush AWAs now that his legislation removes the "no disadvantage" test, which has hitherto stopped business undercutting overall award pay and conditions. Employers will now be able to say: "If you want a job here, forget penalty rates, forget leave loadings, forget redundancy pay and public holidays - all you'll get is the minimum wage, annual leave, 10 days sick leave, the 38-hour week and unpaid parental leave." The rest can be gone with a stroke of a pen - if you want the job.
Then there's security of employment. Howard says the new legislation only applies to people who want a job, not those already in jobs.
Under this legislation the employer's power to dismiss at will is virtually untrammelled. Even those who are theoretically entitled to the unfair dismissal provisions won't really be protected because under the new law people can be dismissed for any operational, technological or restructuring reason, without redundancy pay unless their employment contract specifically provides for it.
If Howard is right and people already in jobs are better off, the legislation gives employers this powerful option: sack your staff and rehire on lesser wages and conditions. Within a couple of years at the outside you can be sure that penalty rates, shift allowances, public holidays and the like will disappear.
As for the minimum wage, which is supposed to underpin this system, we know that if, since 1997, Howard had had his submissions to the Australian Industrial Relations Commission accepted, the real minimum wage would have fallen. This would, of course, have put downward pressure on everyone's wages, not just those on the minimum. It looks as though the bill eliminates any requirement for the laughably named Fair Pay Commission to include considerations of fairness in its decisions.
If you think the unions will be able to ride to your rescue, forget it. If this legislation does one thing, it completely destroys the power of unions. Strikes will in practice be ineffectual, even in the unlikely circumstance that they are lawful. For a strike that has any impact on an employer - and if it doesn't, it's not much use as a strike - can be declared illegal. The powers given to the minister and to the Office of the Employment Advocate are wide-ranging and arbitrary and will work in practical terms entirely against employees and unions and entirely in favour of employers.
The bizarre thing is that all of this is done in the name of deregulation. Yet the legislation's 687 pages are highly regulatory. It sets out what can and can't be included in agreements in terms that are in part prescriptive and detailed, and in part open-ended at the whim of the minister.
There's a terrific irony here. Bob Hawke got elected in 1983 on the theme of reconciliation by painting Malcolm Fraser, correctly at the time, as a deeply divisive figure. Howard has worked hard since he resumed the Liberal leadership in 1995 to cultivate the image of the moderate, reasonable man, whose aim is to create a "relaxed and comfortable" society. It has paid big political dividends.
Yet more and more, his Government and leadership is based on creating division and conflict. All his instincts now flow from the arrogance of power. He is doing these things for one reason: because he can. This legislation is not about economics or productivity - it is about enshrining the power of the boss at the expense of working men and women. This bill is a declaration of class war - executive power acquired and used on behalf of the strong, against the weak.
We won't know until the 2007 election whether Howard has bet the house on a winning hand, or one more like that which led inter-war conservative prime minister Stanley Melbourne Bruce to lose not only the election but his own seat after a similar employer-biased tilt at industrial relations reform. But what we do know now is whose side Howard is really on. It isn't the battlers'.
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Is it any wonder that the VDD is contributing Qantas's profits to the business council's propaganda campaign?
Michael Costello: The industrial relations bill is a declaration of class war
November 04, 2005
FANS of television poker tournaments will be familiar with the sight of the gambler pushing all their chips to the centre of the table, declaring: "I'm all in."
In the parliamentary poker game this week that gambler is John Howard. With his "WorkChoices" industrial relations bill Howard has bet his prime ministership on seizing the power of the independent umpire and putting it entirely in the hands of business.
The change is massive - at 687 pages, literally as well as substantively. The change is extreme, giving workers just one choice when facing employers in negotiations over pay and conditions: take it or leave it.
Howard has gone "all in". The bill is proof that the marshmallow advertisements soft-soaping the changes with voters are as deceptive as they could possibly be.
Australian Workplace Agreements will now overwhelmingly become the terms under which people are employed, not awards or enterprise bargains. Before, there wasn't much incentive for employers to move employees on to AWAs because the overall value of the agreement made had to be at least that of the award.
Howard knows that employers will rush AWAs now that his legislation removes the "no disadvantage" test, which has hitherto stopped business undercutting overall award pay and conditions. Employers will now be able to say: "If you want a job here, forget penalty rates, forget leave loadings, forget redundancy pay and public holidays - all you'll get is the minimum wage, annual leave, 10 days sick leave, the 38-hour week and unpaid parental leave." The rest can be gone with a stroke of a pen - if you want the job.
Then there's security of employment. Howard says the new legislation only applies to people who want a job, not those already in jobs.
Under this legislation the employer's power to dismiss at will is virtually untrammelled. Even those who are theoretically entitled to the unfair dismissal provisions won't really be protected because under the new law people can be dismissed for any operational, technological or restructuring reason, without redundancy pay unless their employment contract specifically provides for it.
If Howard is right and people already in jobs are better off, the legislation gives employers this powerful option: sack your staff and rehire on lesser wages and conditions. Within a couple of years at the outside you can be sure that penalty rates, shift allowances, public holidays and the like will disappear.
As for the minimum wage, which is supposed to underpin this system, we know that if, since 1997, Howard had had his submissions to the Australian Industrial Relations Commission accepted, the real minimum wage would have fallen. This would, of course, have put downward pressure on everyone's wages, not just those on the minimum. It looks as though the bill eliminates any requirement for the laughably named Fair Pay Commission to include considerations of fairness in its decisions.
If you think the unions will be able to ride to your rescue, forget it. If this legislation does one thing, it completely destroys the power of unions. Strikes will in practice be ineffectual, even in the unlikely circumstance that they are lawful. For a strike that has any impact on an employer - and if it doesn't, it's not much use as a strike - can be declared illegal. The powers given to the minister and to the Office of the Employment Advocate are wide-ranging and arbitrary and will work in practical terms entirely against employees and unions and entirely in favour of employers.
The bizarre thing is that all of this is done in the name of deregulation. Yet the legislation's 687 pages are highly regulatory. It sets out what can and can't be included in agreements in terms that are in part prescriptive and detailed, and in part open-ended at the whim of the minister.
There's a terrific irony here. Bob Hawke got elected in 1983 on the theme of reconciliation by painting Malcolm Fraser, correctly at the time, as a deeply divisive figure. Howard has worked hard since he resumed the Liberal leadership in 1995 to cultivate the image of the moderate, reasonable man, whose aim is to create a "relaxed and comfortable" society. It has paid big political dividends.
Yet more and more, his Government and leadership is based on creating division and conflict. All his instincts now flow from the arrogance of power. He is doing these things for one reason: because he can. This legislation is not about economics or productivity - it is about enshrining the power of the boss at the expense of working men and women. This bill is a declaration of class war - executive power acquired and used on behalf of the strong, against the weak.
We won't know until the 2007 election whether Howard has bet the house on a winning hand, or one more like that which led inter-war conservative prime minister Stanley Melbourne Bruce to lose not only the election but his own seat after a similar employer-biased tilt at industrial relations reform. But what we do know now is whose side Howard is really on. It isn't the battlers'.
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Is it any wonder that the VDD is contributing Qantas's profits to the business council's propaganda campaign?
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Long Haul to Short Haul Perth
Reading through SOME of the entries by Cabin Crew who HAVE CHOSEN to move to Short Haul is sad.
Firstly - Who gave you that superiority complex? Guess it is self appointed as it is deserving
Secondly - "You will not be told what to do by a Short Haul CSM". If you are professional then why would you need any direction as your deliver The Service Signatures and Standards and Safety requirements always. Don't be in fear of being pulled up unless you fail to. I am sure you have many many short cuts you make in the cabin/service -NA - there is only one way and that is per procedure
Thirdly - Seniority - So that is your latest baton to run with - God love ya.
Forthly - "Short Haul have taken OUR flying" - So YOU own flying- Humm!!!!!
Fifth - Short Haul FAAA V Long Haul FAAA - Both Unions are responsible for protecting the work of their members. Short Haul seems to be doing well - Doesn't it??? As traditional domestic flying is being passed on to Jetstar our flying is increasing. Work with Qantas and remain employed - they are YOUR employer.
What the hell are you up to. Put your anger into having a good life and enjoying every day.
If Qantas is pissing you off so much please allow your professionalism, dedication and expertise be a gift to another employer.
Get back to us all in a year to brief us on the hours you have worked, the monies you have earned, the holidays you have had, the benefits you have gained, etc, etc...
We MUST all work together as a team at Qantas. There is NO time for an inflated EGO. We all do the same job. We are here to earn a living and have a good life while doing so. Join the group of CABIN CREW WHO LOVE THE JOB OR LEAVE.
Have a nice day.
See you on line.
Firstly - Who gave you that superiority complex? Guess it is self appointed as it is deserving
Secondly - "You will not be told what to do by a Short Haul CSM". If you are professional then why would you need any direction as your deliver The Service Signatures and Standards and Safety requirements always. Don't be in fear of being pulled up unless you fail to. I am sure you have many many short cuts you make in the cabin/service -NA - there is only one way and that is per procedure
Thirdly - Seniority - So that is your latest baton to run with - God love ya.
Forthly - "Short Haul have taken OUR flying" - So YOU own flying- Humm!!!!!
Fifth - Short Haul FAAA V Long Haul FAAA - Both Unions are responsible for protecting the work of their members. Short Haul seems to be doing well - Doesn't it??? As traditional domestic flying is being passed on to Jetstar our flying is increasing. Work with Qantas and remain employed - they are YOUR employer.
What the hell are you up to. Put your anger into having a good life and enjoying every day.
If Qantas is pissing you off so much please allow your professionalism, dedication and expertise be a gift to another employer.
Get back to us all in a year to brief us on the hours you have worked, the monies you have earned, the holidays you have had, the benefits you have gained, etc, etc...
We MUST all work together as a team at Qantas. There is NO time for an inflated EGO. We all do the same job. We are here to earn a living and have a good life while doing so. Join the group of CABIN CREW WHO LOVE THE JOB OR LEAVE.
Have a nice day.
See you on line.