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Dixon's Success
Westozflyer's post is understandable in its emotion.
But it also indicates how successful Dixon has been in dividing crew and pitting them against each other
Shorthaul against Longhaul
Base against Base
FAAA domestic against FAAA International.
This is why we are where we're at.No unity
Dixon didn't screw us...we screwed ourselves.
The current FAAA executive(longhaul)are to be applauded for undoing a lot of damage done by the 3 blind mice(Broome,Brem and Warner)
The situation we find ourselves in now had its birth 3 EBA's ago.
Its Game set and match. Dixon has won and we helped him by being naive and at times incompetent.
But most of all we were not united and largely driven by self interest.
I don't like it.I am not happy about it.
But as I have said before we need to negotiate with the hand we have been dealt.The new technology and Industrial Relations laws are coming whether we like it or not.
One last thought....any flight attendant who voted Liberal in the last election has compounded the problem.
Anyone who complains about these circumstances to me I ask them "who did you vote for?"
They quickly fall silent.
Latham may not have have been telegenic but let me assure you we wouldn't be in this situation if Labour was in power.
So folks before you start complaining and ridiculing others
WHO DID YOU VOTE FOR ?and who will you vote for next time.
Lets hope its not for the George Dubbya Clone we have now.
But it also indicates how successful Dixon has been in dividing crew and pitting them against each other
Shorthaul against Longhaul
Base against Base
FAAA domestic against FAAA International.
This is why we are where we're at.No unity
Dixon didn't screw us...we screwed ourselves.
The current FAAA executive(longhaul)are to be applauded for undoing a lot of damage done by the 3 blind mice(Broome,Brem and Warner)
The situation we find ourselves in now had its birth 3 EBA's ago.
Its Game set and match. Dixon has won and we helped him by being naive and at times incompetent.
But most of all we were not united and largely driven by self interest.
I don't like it.I am not happy about it.
But as I have said before we need to negotiate with the hand we have been dealt.The new technology and Industrial Relations laws are coming whether we like it or not.
One last thought....any flight attendant who voted Liberal in the last election has compounded the problem.
Anyone who complains about these circumstances to me I ask them "who did you vote for?"
They quickly fall silent.
Latham may not have have been telegenic but let me assure you we wouldn't be in this situation if Labour was in power.
So folks before you start complaining and ridiculing others
WHO DID YOU VOTE FOR ?and who will you vote for next time.
Lets hope its not for the George Dubbya Clone we have now.
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Seems your aggression is a little misdirected Westozflyer.
Why are you attacking the employees of the Perth S/H base? And also the CSM's that work there saying that you "Look forward to your Pursers trying to tell us what to do on a HKG ! It will be a laugh".
Go and in attack the Management team etc that made these decisions - not the people who have been employed to work there.
I occasionally work out of Perth and I am a CSM. God help you if you turn up with that attitude on one of my flights. I wont stand for it and hope no other crew do. If you wanted to try and give me grief for your base being shut down then i would put you in your place(and would expect any other CSM to do the same).
Your aggression is totally mis-directed towards the wrong people. Go and knock on the doors of the Managers that came to this decision to shut your base down and i'll be there with you. Most of us feel sorry for all of you and hope that the options that were given to you are suitable and you get to still enjoy flying - but leave your attitudes at the door of the aircraft.
Why are you attacking the employees of the Perth S/H base? And also the CSM's that work there saying that you "Look forward to your Pursers trying to tell us what to do on a HKG ! It will be a laugh".
Go and in attack the Management team etc that made these decisions - not the people who have been employed to work there.
I occasionally work out of Perth and I am a CSM. God help you if you turn up with that attitude on one of my flights. I wont stand for it and hope no other crew do. If you wanted to try and give me grief for your base being shut down then i would put you in your place(and would expect any other CSM to do the same).
Your aggression is totally mis-directed towards the wrong people. Go and knock on the doors of the Managers that came to this decision to shut your base down and i'll be there with you. Most of us feel sorry for all of you and hope that the options that were given to you are suitable and you get to still enjoy flying - but leave your attitudes at the door of the aircraft.
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"Good luck to those of you in Perth Shorthaul, we are coming and with a hell of a lot of seniority. Look forward to your Pursers trying to tell us what to do on a HKG ! It will be a laugh [oh and after my last paxing trip on shorthaul crewed flight, get ready for some lessons on how to provide proper service on an international sector!]"
HAHAHAHAHA!
ps- i wonder how long you'll want to use your "seniority" on regional flying once you're short haul when you start losing even more money due to the allowances/hours etc? What's the bet after a while you'll be doing the same flying as the rest of the seniors like KTA, 4 legs, BME etc.
HAHAHAHAHA!
ps- i wonder how long you'll want to use your "seniority" on regional flying once you're short haul when you start losing even more money due to the allowances/hours etc? What's the bet after a while you'll be doing the same flying as the rest of the seniors like KTA, 4 legs, BME etc.
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Gday everyone. i should really be packing up my life right now but I couldnt help but add my 2 cents after what I have read.
I can understand westozflyer as i am just as LIVID as to what has been going on. So much stress in the last 12 months. Being told in a letter...the PERTH base will not close.
FACT: A hell of a lot of us were not busting to leave. We took the option a few months ago because we were fearful that these lying mongrels were not true to their words. We were right unfortunately.
FACT: Only a handful of people went to work during the stopwork. Hardly any. Im based here, believe me.It is their right to do it anyway, even if you and I dont like it.We dont live in Nth Korea.
FACT: We were shafted by shorthaul, with the int flying going to them and lack of band payments if we transfer. Nice one! When Jetstar start canibalising you, and then the new offshoot 'NOSTARS' start canibalising Jetstar, then where will we be?????
FACT: IF the Longhaul FAAA spent more money and time and discussion securing our base instead of spending it on whether the hotel accom in LAX is close enough to CostCo so they can get their cheap nappies and crap, maybe we would have a fighting chance.Lets face it, sure there are some poor souls around the hotel area, but it aint that bad. Being put out at Anaheim is!
For Gods sake if the short haul and long haul faaa,Aust air, Jetstar etc dont put their heads together soon, we are really screwed. If they dont, then I am leaving the union and we will play right into the company's hands.
Yes , we are all feeling pretty frustrated at the moment and angry but lets think this out and stop shafting one another. The company do a good job of it already!
Back to packing.
I can understand westozflyer as i am just as LIVID as to what has been going on. So much stress in the last 12 months. Being told in a letter...the PERTH base will not close.
FACT: A hell of a lot of us were not busting to leave. We took the option a few months ago because we were fearful that these lying mongrels were not true to their words. We were right unfortunately.
FACT: Only a handful of people went to work during the stopwork. Hardly any. Im based here, believe me.It is their right to do it anyway, even if you and I dont like it.We dont live in Nth Korea.
FACT: We were shafted by shorthaul, with the int flying going to them and lack of band payments if we transfer. Nice one! When Jetstar start canibalising you, and then the new offshoot 'NOSTARS' start canibalising Jetstar, then where will we be?????
FACT: IF the Longhaul FAAA spent more money and time and discussion securing our base instead of spending it on whether the hotel accom in LAX is close enough to CostCo so they can get their cheap nappies and crap, maybe we would have a fighting chance.Lets face it, sure there are some poor souls around the hotel area, but it aint that bad. Being put out at Anaheim is!
For Gods sake if the short haul and long haul faaa,Aust air, Jetstar etc dont put their heads together soon, we are really screwed. If they dont, then I am leaving the union and we will play right into the company's hands.
Yes , we are all feeling pretty frustrated at the moment and angry but lets think this out and stop shafting one another. The company do a good job of it already!
Back to packing.
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Is it an unhealthy sign, when a scab goes green?
Anyway..........Perth base closure and transfers
Does anyone know whether you must actually apply to change base (as in full base transfer application) now that Perth is closing (assuming you don't wish to be PER S/H) ?
If you "apply" for transfer does this mean you may lose "moving" benefits ($$$) as you have not applied for transfer, and are not being assigned?
Anyway..........Perth base closure and transfers
Does anyone know whether you must actually apply to change base (as in full base transfer application) now that Perth is closing (assuming you don't wish to be PER S/H) ?
If you "apply" for transfer does this mean you may lose "moving" benefits ($$$) as you have not applied for transfer, and are not being assigned?
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Pegasus747,
you made a very relevant post.
Please repost the one that was "edited", omitting the unmentionable of course.
Cheers SBH
P.S. I'm guessing that the word "strikebreaker" may be used in it's place........?
P.S.S. FWIW I find the act FAR more offensive than the word.
you made a very relevant post.
Please repost the one that was "edited", omitting the unmentionable of course.
Cheers SBH
P.S. I'm guessing that the word "strikebreaker" may be used in it's place........?
P.S.S. FWIW I find the act FAR more offensive than the word.
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The following is a cut and paste from the flight deck forum-
Virgin Buys 10,000 Tamiflu Doses for Staff
SARS redux?
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Wednesday, Nov. 2, 2005
Virgin Buys Tamiflu
Richard Branson, Chairman of Virgin Group Ltd. said today that his company is looking into machines and new technologies to put on aircrafts to kill germs in anticipation of a bird flu pandemic. He said his company has purchased 10,000 doses of the drug Tamiflu for his staff.
In response to questions about companies hording Tamiflu, Branson said, "We've
bought [Tamiflu] because our staff is on the front line."
Branson also said that despite Virgin's best efforts to protect staff and passengers, if the flu starts spreading person to person, "it will most certainly affect the airline industry."
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I have NO doubt that Dixon would see an outbreak of avian bird flu effecting it's frontline staff as more than a little fortuitous.
No redundancy payments to be made with rehires cheap and offshore........
Virgin Buys 10,000 Tamiflu Doses for Staff
SARS redux?
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Wednesday, Nov. 2, 2005
Virgin Buys Tamiflu
Richard Branson, Chairman of Virgin Group Ltd. said today that his company is looking into machines and new technologies to put on aircrafts to kill germs in anticipation of a bird flu pandemic. He said his company has purchased 10,000 doses of the drug Tamiflu for his staff.
In response to questions about companies hording Tamiflu, Branson said, "We've
bought [Tamiflu] because our staff is on the front line."
Branson also said that despite Virgin's best efforts to protect staff and passengers, if the flu starts spreading person to person, "it will most certainly affect the airline industry."
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I have NO doubt that Dixon would see an outbreak of avian bird flu effecting it's frontline staff as more than a little fortuitous.
No redundancy payments to be made with rehires cheap and offshore........
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Detached,Arrogant, Liar...VDD
Is he Kidding?
http://www.theage.com.au/news/busine...823206384.html
Halfway down the article he refers to staff as "our people".
Since when?
What the...?
http://www.theage.com.au/news/busine...823206384.html
Halfway down the article he refers to staff as "our people".
Since when?
What the...?
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why am I angry at Shorthaul crew? Geez, I dont know, maybe it has something to do with the fact that shorthaul crew voted for an EBA that shut down the Perth Longhaul base. You made yourselves cheaper so we got shut. Undercut by you, I have had to make the choice of taking much lower wages [oh and on a 'b' scale bands system] or take my kids out of school and move them east. I have made my decision. Oh and your carry on about not taking crap from ex-long haul perth? Dream on, I have taken it to many a real manager [ read; not a domestic purser] and survived, I have seen a lot of how domestic pursers run cabins of late.The ones I have seen are not fit to operate an international sector. You people should have thought about what you were getting into before you voted to take our flying.From what I have seen domestic crew cant really manage it. I will run rings around your pursers, and they seriously wont know what's hit them.Have you ever wondered why domestic pursers are paid less than longhaul managers [and supervisors!]maybe cause you are not as skilled?What are you gonna do? stand me down?delay a flight over it?Sorry, domestic crew are so at the beck and call of management, I think most would rather tuck their tails between their legs than cause a delay.I look forward to the challenge, and no I dont give a toss if I end up in that quasi-manager's office, who gets fired in this company, particularly for pointing out how bad the domestic crew provide an international service? Jam it! Oh and I look forward to flying with you too, I love making fools of pursers!
Oh and Ozcabincrew, I will do what I wish in regards to bidding, do the long sectors when I want, and the occasional HKG and SIN when I need a rest and shopping, I have my choice of everything - how's your seniority going?
why am I angry at Shorthaul crew? Geez, I dont know, maybe it has something to do with the fact that shorthaul crew voted for an EBA that shut down the Perth Longhaul base. You made yourselves cheaper so we got shut. Undercut by you, I have had to make the choice of taking much lower wages [oh and on a 'b' scale bands system] or take my kids out of school and move them east. I have made my decision. Oh and your carry on about not taking crap from ex-long haul perth? Dream on, I have taken it to many a real manager [ read; not a domestic purser] and survived, I have seen a lot of how domestic pursers run cabins of late.The ones I have seen are not fit to operate an international sector. You people should have thought about what you were getting into before you voted to take our flying.From what I have seen domestic crew cant really manage it. I will run rings around your pursers, and they seriously wont know what's hit them.Have you ever wondered why domestic pursers are paid less than longhaul managers [and supervisors!]maybe cause you are not as skilled?What are you gonna do? stand me down?delay a flight over it?Sorry, domestic crew are so at the beck and call of management, I think most would rather tuck their tails between their legs than cause a delay.I look forward to the challenge, and no I dont give a toss if I end up in that quasi-manager's office, who gets fired in this company, particularly for pointing out how bad the domestic crew provide an international service? Jam it! Oh and I look forward to flying with you too, I love making fools of pursers!
Oh and Ozcabincrew, I will do what I wish in regards to bidding, do the long sectors when I want, and the occasional HKG and SIN when I need a rest and shopping, I have my choice of everything - how's your seniority going?
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westoz.
You hit it on the head, I agree with everything you said, people will say it radical but you have stated the truth.
Yes you have been shafted and its true what you said, the people in s/haul voted in that eba.
But dont forget management in your vendetta, they are the ones that started this and s/haul were their lapdogs....
oh and ozcabincrew, how easily you have ******edited************************************************ .
I wish I was on the flight westoz, give it to them! bloody traitors
You hit it on the head, I agree with everything you said, people will say it radical but you have stated the truth.
Yes you have been shafted and its true what you said, the people in s/haul voted in that eba.
But dont forget management in your vendetta, they are the ones that started this and s/haul were their lapdogs....
oh and ozcabincrew, how easily you have ******edited************************************************ .
I wish I was on the flight westoz, give it to them! bloody traitors
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Now you know why...
We got screwed by self interest pure and simple.
Dixon correctly identified Shorthaul as the weakest link.
They shafted us and themselves..no mean feat of stupidity.
What will they do in their next EBA?
Probably blow their other foot off.
Dixon correctly identified Shorthaul as the weakest link.
They shafted us and themselves..no mean feat of stupidity.
What will they do in their next EBA?
Probably blow their other foot off.
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SHORT HAUL FAAA
The Federal Government announced its anti- employee industrial laws yesterday.
The Qantas unions have endorsed a campaign against these laws and a joint Qantas unions newsletter is to be issued to union members. The Long Haul FAAA posted the newsletter yeserday on its web site and I received an email from the FAAA (long haul) yesterday too.
However, the FAAA- SHORT HAUL is not going to participate!
Im for the FAAA getting together but what a pathetic and spineless lot of senior officials in the Short Haul FAAA.
The most basic and fundamental attack is being prepared by Howard ......and the short haul officials sit back and aren't even prepared to issue a newsletter to their members.
TIME FOR A BROOM TO SWEEP AWAY THE CURRENT SPINELESS SHORT HAUL FAAA LEADERSHIP.
The Qantas unions have endorsed a campaign against these laws and a joint Qantas unions newsletter is to be issued to union members. The Long Haul FAAA posted the newsletter yeserday on its web site and I received an email from the FAAA (long haul) yesterday too.
However, the FAAA- SHORT HAUL is not going to participate!
Im for the FAAA getting together but what a pathetic and spineless lot of senior officials in the Short Haul FAAA.
The most basic and fundamental attack is being prepared by Howard ......and the short haul officials sit back and aren't even prepared to issue a newsletter to their members.
TIME FOR A BROOM TO SWEEP AWAY THE CURRENT SPINELESS SHORT HAUL FAAA LEADERSHIP.
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Is it any wonder Warp57 that there is such widespread suspicion that the shorthaul FAAA have been bought off by Qantas management.........?
Chilling news today that the new anti-employee industrial laws have a provision that allows employers to sack staff [and re-employ] without recourse providing it is done so for "operational reasons".
"operational" can be defined as econonic, structural, organisational and the like.
Darth Dixon aka The Viagra Fuelled Dwarf must be rubbing his hands with glee...................
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Anybody interested in protesting these Orwelian IR laws would be well advised to join the- NATIONAL DAY OF COMMUNITY PROTEST on November 15th.
THE VERY FABRIC OF OUR SOCIETY AND THE QUALITY OF LIFE OF OUR CHILDREN ARE AT STAKE.
Visit- www.actu.asn.au
Chilling news today that the new anti-employee industrial laws have a provision that allows employers to sack staff [and re-employ] without recourse providing it is done so for "operational reasons".
"operational" can be defined as econonic, structural, organisational and the like.
Darth Dixon aka The Viagra Fuelled Dwarf must be rubbing his hands with glee...................
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Anybody interested in protesting these Orwelian IR laws would be well advised to join the- NATIONAL DAY OF COMMUNITY PROTEST on November 15th.
THE VERY FABRIC OF OUR SOCIETY AND THE QUALITY OF LIFE OF OUR CHILDREN ARE AT STAKE.
Visit- www.actu.asn.au
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"Drivers" sign off their EBA
Just heard that the boys ( and girls ! )-Techies have signed off their EBA.....only just.
Now bring on Jet*.
Guess they will be getting there own tea and coffee on Jet *
Geoff and his merry men must be sittting back and saying ,:
" there goes another bunch of lemmings......this Union bashing is fun .......next S/H Faaaa EBA ..........easy peeezie -done deal."
"our bonuses for 2005-2006 are looking even better now !! "
This year would have to go down as a milestone.
They have the gall to send us all this 85 years birthday crap in QF news ....whooopy do. What is there to celebrate??????
Being screwed !!!!!
Now bring on Jet*.
Guess they will be getting there own tea and coffee on Jet *
Geoff and his merry men must be sittting back and saying ,:
" there goes another bunch of lemmings......this Union bashing is fun .......next S/H Faaaa EBA ..........easy peeezie -done deal."
"our bonuses for 2005-2006 are looking even better now !! "
This year would have to go down as a milestone.
They have the gall to send us all this 85 years birthday crap in QF news ....whooopy do. What is there to celebrate??????
Being screwed !!!!!
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A question to S/H..
On the subject of EBA votes.
I was chatting with some your S/H brethren in regard to the international flying they do.
I asked specifically about the 15hr sectors anticipated on the Bombay sectors and was told the following by several persons at once, simultaneously, all together at the same time...
S/H are currently in negotiation with QF about all international flying, long sectors and the crossing of time zones.
These issues will be resolved in the next EBA.
Are QF S/H the only group to have their EBA still outstanding?
Are these people correct in their understanding?
Many of the S/H people I have spoken with that are checked out on the BUS but have done no international flying. When I enquired how/why. I was told its an easy thing to avoid.
What are the panels thoughts ???
Bolty
I was chatting with some your S/H brethren in regard to the international flying they do.
I asked specifically about the 15hr sectors anticipated on the Bombay sectors and was told the following by several persons at once, simultaneously, all together at the same time...
S/H are currently in negotiation with QF about all international flying, long sectors and the crossing of time zones.
These issues will be resolved in the next EBA.
Are QF S/H the only group to have their EBA still outstanding?
Are these people correct in their understanding?
Many of the S/H people I have spoken with that are checked out on the BUS but have done no international flying. When I enquired how/why. I was told its an easy thing to avoid.
What are the panels thoughts ???
Bolty