Thank you to everyone for all the info in this thread sofar and good luck to all in the process. With regards to Phase 3, does anyone have any info on what to expect for Day1 for 'panel exercises'? Also, what is involved in the simulator assessment and what to expect for the drug/alcohol screening on day2?

From an operational point of view, I don't understand how the roster is published 2 months in advance? Is that just for days on duty/off as I imagine the block of flying changes regularly during the block?

Thank you.

The roster shows your duty days which are made up as blocks of days into a tour.

You show up at your gateway at the briefed showtime (briefed via an app the day before). You then are at the whim of the company who arrange any required airline / hotel / ground transport (sometimes we are asked to self arrange taxis). You stay on tour until your last day of the tour when the company positions you back to your gateway.

What happens in between changes constantly so if you are the sort of person who needs to know what they are doing tomorrow while on tour - or even where you are finishing that night - then we are not the company for you.

But if you can go with the flow then you will likely love it.

Your roster will tell you when you will be at home so you can plan your personal life in advance - pretty much unheard of elsewhere in business aviation.

And when you are OFF, you actually are OFF!

Hi

First of all to all the NJ pilots contributing to this thread with info.

I definitely looks like a nice place to work.
I had my online interview on Sunday and have been invited today for Stage 3 in the UK.

If anyone else is going or have already a WhatsApp group or anything can send me a DM.

Good luck to all that applied.

Updates
 

Thanks for great info all. Still haven’t got any response on my application. Anyone else in the same situation? Has anyone received PFO on initial application or later in the process.

Good luck during upcoming assessment days for those of you participating!

Maybe some positive news: the number of pilots that will be hired has been increased to 110, FAs will be 20 instead of 10! And even more aircraft coming in 2022.

That's fantastic news! I feel about 18.18% better.

Are these additional aircraft from the 2.5 billion investment made this year?

No idea! I hope that most of those additional tails have already been financed by customers acquiring shares on them.

Thank you EatMyShorts! Fantastic to see NJ on a winners streak! Hoping to have a role to play on the journey eventually.

Thank you. I can imagine the duty blocks are ever-changing but was just a bit confused how the roster was published so far in advance, but makes sense for OFF days. Do the duty blocks ever change or is the 6/5 always consistent (ie. can you plan next year based on your expected pattern)?

Also, with fleet movement how does it usually work at NJE? Do FOs on the lighter jets get command there first before moving RHS on the long-range aircraft or do you progress RHS onto the bigger jets, then back to light jets for command? Is there a bidding or selection process involved in moving fleets/upgrading?

Thank you.

Unlike Ryanair for example (where I believe your 5/4 never changes) you will sometimes get a 7 day tour when you have to go for recurrent in the US or your vacation impacts the roster etc. So the general rule is 6/5 but it will change over the year. What is fixed is the number of days you are contracted for (you join on 200 contract days which includes your 22 vacation days). So the total number of duty, training and vacation days won’t exceed that. Once you’ve been in the company a while you can bid to change your roster pattern to work more or less days in the year - with pro-rata adjustment to your salary and vacation entitlement.

Once the roster is published though, your OFF days are exactly that - unless you choose to volunteer to work extra days (€650+ per day initially for FO’s which rises to something like €850 once you’ve done a certain number of extended days).

Generally you join on one of the smaller fleets then progress up in cabin size (you can bid for fleets and it’s based on seniority). Some people are happy staying where they are. Then you tend to go back to the small fleets when you upgrade.

However - in all but the most extreme circumstances, once you upgrade you stay on the LHS for any future fleet changes.

NETJETS EUROPE APPLICATION
 

I received an email two weeks ago from KURA AIRLINE RESOURCING saying that my application was on final stage and due to the high demand on this application, the process will last a few months more. They told me they would send me an email with any update but they haven't send me anything yet.
Is anyone in the same situation as me?
What would I expect? May I contact them?
thanks

Pabloteix, thanks for the update. Same message as I got but with slightly different wording. In my case, I believe the application was in review and they would revert back eventually. Given EatMyShorts' message, I guess they are continuing to work through applications and candidates in various stages of the process. I'll give it another week or so before I follow up. But it seems to be very few PFO so I don't know what conclusion to draw.

We'll keep our fingers crossed - good luck.

That's brilliant info, thanks for clarifying!

A rather pre emptive query for those who are UK based drivers. Are the contracts issued UK contracts and paid in GBP? Given Brexit I am scratching my head regarding how one can be given a EURO contract......

Interview farnborough
 

Hi there,
Anyone who’s going to Farnborough next week?
cheers!

Hi guys,

in the case you are doing the 26-27th interview, I have checked the commuting options and will be driving a car from LTN to FAB on 25 through LRH. Then FAB to LTN on 27th eve.
given the expensive transportation options, feel free to drop me a PM if that could match your commuting preference 😉

Thats some good airmanship :ok:

Good luck with the Interview

Brexit and the eurozone are slightly different as I’m sure you are aware and the UK is one of several gateway countries with their own currency. There are (according to my mortgage broker) many more USD paid UK Tax payers than EUR and Brexit has nothing to do with them either 😜.

The weird thing won’t be apparent to you yet is that we are (apart from our Portuguese colleagues I believe) all employed by the London based NetJets Management Limited 🤯. Getting local contracts is a very hot topic for the union currently to ensure that local social security is paid this giving seamless access to local services … we are not quite there yet but maybe soon (I think there may even be some pending legislation that will finally force the situation anyway).

Anyway - to answer your question. Your contract will be fixed in euros and you can choose monthly whether you want the company to send your bank the euros (and allow them to convert them to your home currency) or the company will convert it for you (they publish the exchange rate they will use about a week in advance and this will be the average of what the exchange rate was for the previous month) and you can get paid directly in your own currency.

You will be able to download a euro payslip and one in your home currency.

Like some others here, I have received a PFO (for now...) e-mail on the day of their deadline. Since then, nothing. So I consider it case closed, thank you and bye bye for myself.

Very interesting! Personally I would have prefered to have been paid fixed in sterling or dollars given the current situation :p, but it seems like the company is really flexible as it is. Do non euro-currency pilots typically just take the pay in euros and convert locally, get the company to convert, or change according to what would be most beneficial that month?

I received the same email and I'm still waiting

A quick question, "EASA ATPL (A) Licence or EASA CPL (A) with ATPL Theory Certificate" Can anybody specify if they require something else than an actual copy of the license? I have an EASA ATPL (A) but I can not remember a separate document with the theory certificate? I might just be getting into details too much.

If you have the ATPL you are fine. It's CPL only holders who also need to have ATPL theory completed.

Stage 3 at FAB
 

Hello everyone,

First of all thanks for all the information posted above. You've all been of great help!

Has anyone already done stage 3 at FAB and can share some info on what to expect, other than the info we've already been given?? I know the first slots were on the 21st of October so there must be someone who has already done it...

I've got mine in the next few days.

Appreciate all your help 👍🏼

Thanks

Can any employee confirm if you are not provided a staff car park at your gateway?

Provided by whom? At some airports crew members in general can get access to special long term parking rates, sometimes with the help of a letter by our HR department. Netjets itself does not provide any parking. You get 70 EUR per diems a day and this money is also meant to cover incidentals such parking.

It is gateway dependent. As EMS! has said, there is some access to long term car parks but for most crews, they are not free.
At my gateway the car parking is free but it did require some negotiation with the FBO and the individuals. :)

Do TRs and recurrent training take place in the US?

Another one of funky's mega random question:
How often does NetJets need pilots to sandbag in sims? If so, is there a way for a pilot to make it known to ops that they volunteer as tribute?

Some do but not all. It depends on the fleet and course availability.

it happens but rarely and when it does it's likely that you will already be there for your own training and may be asked to extend a day or two. It's really rare though and not something they usually plan on doing. So little point in volunteering for this kind of thing.

Depends on type and availability. Latitude and XLS recurrents are mainly at FSI Farnborough but can imagine the initials for the Lat may be in Wichita due to capacity and the length of time the initial takes as opposed to a recurrent. Phenoms, Global and Challenger are in Columbus, USA but there is some overflow at CAE Amsterdam (I think). Falcon is Paris or Redhill. Phenom sim expected at Farnborough sometime next year.

Is there a training bond for the type rating cost?

Most CAE stuff is at Burgess Hill (Gatwick) now. FSI is a Berkshire Hathaway company so most of the training tends to go that way.
Unfortunately, no business class travel for training to the US. (Yes, we're working on it.. still). I like Columbus, OH. The travel, not so much.
Sandbagging? Very very rare.

Anyone able to shed some light on the day 1 and 2 of the last stage?

I won’t disclose what makes the core of the selection, to preserve the hard work they have put in designing it, and I didn’t pass through day 1, but here is the summary of day 1 :

- Covid test at entrance unless you have already the results of your international arrival (only about 10-15min)
- gathering in the main lobby until everyone has arrived

-15-20 min welcome presentation with the recruitment staff (Kura & Netjets), you’re expected to give a 30 sec- 1min self presentation at start). Nothing really interesting, they should work on that, all info you’ll be provided with are public and all of you will know already through self preparation.

- you’ll be split into 2 groups, one group will go for group exercise while the others go for individual interview in front of 2 members of recruitment team.

Questions related to your own experience (tailored so to say), seems to me they have been through the zoom interview before. It’s going to be the same type of questions, focusing on your motivations, experience and expectations. No competency based examples to provide (at least for me). Document check and validation. Expect 1h to 1h15.

You’ll be then sent back to lobby. Lot of people around and most probably some lurkers, but they make themselves blended in the general operations of a training center.
A NJE captain joined us for about 30 mins providing a lot more details and experience.

- Group exercise : I won’t give the exercises out, just provide you the guidelines they will also give you, and my own assessment of it.

You will have 4 exercises of 10 min each, with 5 min gap to present the solution and get the scenario for the next exercise.
each one of you will be the “captain” for one scenario, with the others being “crew-members”.
One member of the interview panel will play the role of the customer/owner, another one is available (only once per scenario) playing ATC or OPS member.

key points :
- Don’t assume the ATC/OPS to provide assistance out of their “real life” competency, if you ask the wrong question you will get a “I don’t know captain” 😁
- Don’t assume the owner/client to be of any help, if you ask a question like you would to a regular “pax”, you’ll probably end up with an irritated/unhelpful/pressuring answer 😁

Personal feedback :

- Be decisive : as the captain, you’re on your own, don’t let the other guys drag you out of the primary target : provide a solution , it’s only 10 mins, it goes fast. If someone goes extensively on something you think is pointless, interrupt them, in a nice way, but be firm, you have to provide a solution, not bs chit-chat.

- Really think outside the box, it’s corporate, not airline. Unless the safety is compromised, your mindset should be that “yes, it’s possible”, assess if you can give the green light or need escalation to ops, assess if the costs of tailoring the solution are realistic, then make it happen.

- Don’t go to the client unless you already have a solution you need his approval for, or really need the input to make a decision.
- you can communicate with the client multiple times, but I wouldn’t go more than twice at most ( input needed/ call to ops-ATC/ confirmed solution).


Like I mentioned, I didn’t make it through day 1, they will give a you a feedback on why, which is rare enough to be mentioned.

edit: to avoid replying to all the messages I received individually, I was not 100% enthusiastic about the position, and made it clear that I had other options and wanted to be sure it was the right job for me, before committing for the role (if you really really want the job, be 110% enthusiastic, I guess 😉 ).

side : I don’t know if it’s going to happen to all groups, but we were told early day 1 that there would be only 6 simulator slots avail on day 2 (out of 8 candidates), adds some steam right 😂

good luck

An edit : Many of us have been unemployed or not flying for quite some time and I won’t question individuals habits while not using privileges and restrictions related to a class 1 medical and licence. I do know that alcohol usage is widespread in the industry thus the feedback I will provide :
Just want to make you aware that the drug&alcohol check being processed during day 2 is hair follicle based (the most expensive and accurate testing available) and WILL show a drug usage and/or alcohol abuse that can have happened over the last months. I would suspect an AOC holder has to report to the authority in case of a positive result, regardless of your obvious blacklisting with the company.

If you question yourself, I can only recommend going through a testing by the same method (expect anywhere in excess of 250$ for these) before showing up.

Redsnail
 

Hey there Redsnail, you still around NJE i see! Never leave, stupiedst thing I did (twice 🤪)

Yeah mate. ;) Still here. A couple more years to go and bailing out back to Oz to sit on the beach. :D

Just received an email that the application is still under review. They will continue with the hiring process even going in to next year (2022). Good luck all.