There is nowhere paying this money for an SIC on any type. Not to mention the 60-80kUSD price tag for a recurrent.

2 questions:

1. do the netjet guys receive nice tips from their rich passengers?

2. who scrubs the loo? Capt or FO? Also loading and unloading the luggage?

In Europe we sometimes get tipped. In the US it is a different game, their pilots get tipped on a regular basis. With our salaries we luckily do not depend on tips, though, and if you do, you got a big problem on how you are spending your money!

Cleaning and luggage: this is alternating, depending on who was the pilot flying, who greeted and escorted the owners, who has got time on his hands etc.. if you are worried about getting your hands dirty or loading luggage, private aviation might not be your cup of tea.

Having said this, 4 years in I've never had to "scrub" the loo.

Oh my last ever tour had the clean up from hell..... I didn't let my colleagues do it as I knew I only had 3 more days work, whereas they had years to run.

Oh crap!

I can't say any more in public for obvious reasons...

I've worked in private for a while, big tips are very rare and they're a poisoned chalice in my opinion. I love a "pay for dinner or a couple of drinks" tip to say thanks they happen every few months - the really big ones can cause so many problems between the crew members and within the company. To be honest I'm glad we very rarely see anything more than 50 flipflops.

And what about the toilets?
50 bucks isn't a bad gift if you have to scrub them.

Luckily we have to complete our "business ethics" modules every year and know that we cannot accept such big tips :E

What do you think? The toilet(s) need to be checked before and after every revenue flight (at least). Sometimes a wipedown is needed, sometimes a bit more. You get used to it and you simply wear latex gloves if you feel overly disgusted of what you find there. But as I wrote before: if this is a significant thing in the back of your mind, maybe do not join private aviation.

How’s family life at NetJets?

For those on the 6/5 or 7/6 roster, how manageable is the time away from home long term? I don’t have kids yet, but my partner and I are planning to in a few years, so I’m trying to get a realistic picture of what the lifestyle is actually like.

I’d have one gateway at my home airport, so commuting wouldn’t really be an issue, which obviously helps. But I’m still curious how people deal with constantly being in and out of the house and whether the schedule starts to feel normal after a while.

Does it put a strain on family life, or is the time off good enough to balance it out? Would especially like to hear from people in the company with young kids.

We are different to pretty much any other employer in business aviation because the roster is absolutely set in stone. They will never call you in an off day. You can turn your phone off when you get home and only need it on in the afternoon of day 0 so that you can receive your brief.

Also if there are ever any “family” issues then the company is outstanding in their support. Bear in mind the BUPA will cover you and all your family -even the pregnancy can be private healthcare if you choose.

I doubt there is a better employer out there for family life.

after you have been here a while (I want to say 1 full year but not certain) then you can bid for flexible working (between 80% up to 110% roster - though the less than 100% are more tricky to get these days but I have had 80% for the last 5 years due to family support requirements at home so I can’t complain).

The main reason I’m considering making the move to NetJets is the stability that comes with the fixed roster, roster security, and the overall working conditions they offer.

The only thing holding me back is the time away from home. In my current operation, due to the nature of the setup, I’m able to sleep at home every night. Even though the conditions are far from ideal, that quality of life is worth a lot to me.

At the same time, I’m still very young, and business aviation is something that has always genuinely interested me, which is why I feel a bit at a crossroads right now.

That said, I’ll apply anyway because I believe this is an incredible opportunity with a company that truly seems to value and look after its employees.

7Boeing7,

If time away from home is a big deal, and something you are already dreading and is hesitant about even berfore you have applied, maybe Netjets isn't the place for you. You WILL be gone the 6 days of tour ( the company owns you from 0400 in the morning of day 1 until 2359 on day 6, maybe a home stand-by every now and then, how much home stand-by depends on your fleet, but I haven't had more than one or two home stand-bys in the last 12 months. Other colleagues have different experiences, but over the time of a career, I would count on being gone during the tours.

My children were born while I've been working at Netjets. They are used to me being gone because they dont know anything different, but your partner will have to pull all the duty when you are gone, it'll be like a single parent situation, and you have to be able to be gone and do your job without distractions for 6 days. It's not ideal but it works for most of us. The advantage is that you can do 100% of everything while at home during your days off.

I may sound negative, but know what you are getting yourself into.

The way I look at things, having not got kids in my early 30s yet, is that I am 100% away for 4 days, with a day on each side depending on the schedule as it comes. As Catans said, if you are in the mindset that from 0400(z) to 2359 day 1 to day 6 you are away from home, then any time that you are not at home is a bonus. Again, without kids in my life, I come home on day 6 relatively fresh for my 5 days off. I have slept well, and spent less time commuting to hotels on tour each night than I did when I worked for a big airbus airline commuting every day after 4 sectors, having hardly any time at home to do things other than eat and then go to bed.

Yes I fully understand what both of you are saying and thank you for being understanding and not behind absolute knob heads as some people on this forum tend to be.
I fully agree with what TheAirMission was saying about commuting back home every day after 4 sector, it is very tiring specially when you are on minimum rest and peak summer schedule, horses for courses.
When I joined the industry and spoke with a few captains from my past employer I couldn't understand why this guys choose to stay there for 20+ years when they could have joined other legacy or premium companies and have much better careers further down the line, but the answer is pretty simple, Family.
And Catans, thank you for being realistic about the job, better to be prepared and knowing 100% what I might get myself into rather then going forward with a completely wrong idea of what the life at netjets is.
I still have to think about it whether it's worth or not long term for both me and my partner, let's see what happens in the future.
Thanks to both of you for the answers and reassurance.

Having worked for two low-cost carriers in Europe with friends in legacy, I would say working for NetJets is like working for an airline, it's the only biz jet company I would work for most likely. The level of infrastructure there is to the company, with levels of support in the operation, things are generally quite easy on tour day to day.
One thing that separates us from the legacy airline and "having much better careers further down the line" like you say, is that NetJets the rosters and leave is all done on a fair basis. Your seniority in the company doesn't dictate what trips you do (that would be almost impossible in reality) and your seniority doesn't dictate what leave you get.

All NetJets fleets have crew based across Europe, and leave is done per fleet. From a family point of view, you are not fighting with other crew to get the same one or two weeks off during school holidays, because everyone in Europe has different school half terms. From my end, I've never not had the leave I want, but as I have said, I don't have kids. Maybe one of the seniors here can vouch for that from their experience.

Seniority affects fleeting and command etc, things you would expect to be.

Hi All - nameless profile for anonymity.

I'm a UK resident taking a look at the hiring market... What is the situation regarding Brits working for NETJETS Europe? Is it a similar situation to Ryanair (i.e. UK based pilots flying EI/9H reg aircraft) or is an EU passport strictly required to fly their CS reg fleet and UK passport holders are restricted to flying G reg fleet?

Of course they aren't hiring at the mo. Just curious for the future.

Thanks in advance

It’s a UK contract and there are bases all over the UK, Edinburgh, Manchester, Birmingham and “London”. You pay tax in the UK.

you need to have an EASA licence but no need for an EU passport.

As Boabity said above. NetJets requirements is a EU/UK passport and EASA licence. UK license a bonus but not needed. UK PAYE tax all normal on the UK contract. Recruitment will open later this summer for start dates beginning of 27

Great. Thanks. Are you able to advise how fleet assignment is taken care of?

Fleet assignment is on a needs and simulator availability basis.

Great news

Thanks for the help all redsnail Boabity TheAirMission

Newly finished student pilot
 

[QUOTE=redsnail;11111729]Well, I haven't seen many NJE Phenom crews in the Caribbean. :D Nor have I seen the Global guys in Cannes. :D
The roster is as explained. Unless on the Global, you'll be 6 days on, 5 off. :) Happily, the days off are yours.
The popular destinations like Nice, Paris, Zurich, Geneva, Farnborough, Athens, Frankfurt, Palma, Munich, Ibiza, etc you'll find all fleets. Can make for a very social evening. (a real plus). There's nothing "normal" or "schedule" at NJE. Some days have just one sector, others, 4 sectors.

There's the summer destinations. Think beach, superyachts, sunshine, islands etc.
Then there's the winter destinations. The Alps. Cue special airports. Challenging but fun. (yep, you'll be loading all that luggage too).

Good luck. :)[/QUOT

so would you say NJE is a better job than say Ryanair I just recently finished my Flight training and have been reading this conversation and I just wanted to know do you think it is something worth looking into or would you say Ryanair is a better path for me I’m a female pilot 24 with no experience and I’m just about to book an MCC or type rate so I’m trying to look into all options. What are you opinions on NJE vs an airline like Ryanair

I haven't ever worked for Ryanair but flew with a few who have. Essentially, they viewed Ryanair as a place to get plenty of hours and experience quickly, get that EASA ATPL "unfrozen", and then get out. They were all very good pilots and a pleasure to fly with. So I'd say their selection and training process is sound.
You pretty much cannot join NJE without having a minimum of 1500 hours. So you need to get them somewhere.

I was in NetJets Europe for 20 years and the time literally flew by. I am now cheerfully sitting on the beach in Australia in retirement. For me, NJE was the perfect fit. I doubt I could have done 20 years in an airline. My husband worked for easyJet for 22 years. He wanted to swap with me, I didn't want to swap with him. :D (He's sitting on the beach too).

At 24, you have the world at your feet. If I were you, I'd grab an airline job with Ryanair or easyJet (or any other reputable airline with a good solid training department) and do that for a few years. Decide if that's the direction you want to go or look around. Get command while getting the applications in. :)
A very good friend in Qantas gave me this great piece of advice. Always start looking for the next job while you're still happy in the current one.

Good luck.