In summer you will usually be on an early airline on day 1 and most likely you will then operate between 1 and 3 flights that day. Nightstop with minimum rest (11 hours or length of previous duty period, if longer than 11 hours), 3 to 4 legs, next hotel, next min rest of 11 hours or longer etc.. You will probably fly 15 to 20 legs during a tour. If they keep you really busy, you might end up with 55 hours of duty on day 5 and they'll send you home already. If you were unlucky and had a slower day before, you'll finish on day 6 and if they squeeze in just one flight before going home. When they are short on crew, like this year, they might ask you to agree to extend your duty (NOT flight duty!) to 65 hours for the week, but they can only use duty in excess of 60 hours to position you home. And you get extra money for it.

The summer is usually busy and you will regularly hit 58 to 60 hours of weekly duty. Winters are slower and good to take a breath and actually enjoy some time off or on STBY in a hotel to do other things than sleep-eat-fly-eat-sleep.

Thank you EatMyShorts! :)

Thank you all for the information, what is the approximate amount covered by the bond, presumably somewhere in the 10-20k Eur range?

Hello guys,
I'm wondering if anyone flew into uk as a crew on an airline flight.
If yes please pm me.

Thanks

We do this regularly and you shouldn’t expect the checkin / gate staff to know any exemptions that apply. We are advised to travel in uniform and the company provided a couple of letters (I only used the letter once).

What you need though is your crew badge and PLF (completed the the crew exemption).

You will need a pre-departure test up to 72 hours old but don’t need to book any day 2/5 etc

Thanks for the reply!

Around the 20k

Not sure if it's different for Netjets crew, but I'm working in the UK at an airline at the moment and for us there is no pre-departure test needed, but we do need to do the LFD test (I believe on day 2 and 5), which you can get for free delivered via the gov.uk website.

The plf might be required officially, but I've not been asked to show it in about the last 1,5 year now, so I'm not sure as the rules change quite often.

Thanks for your help!

Yes if we are operating crew then that’s different - but about 30-40% of the time or so I airline home and then we are not in a locked compartment away from the great unwashed (the exact terminalogy in the rules is a little different :}) then we need the pre-departure test

Hello,


I am wondering can anyone advise either here or in PM about the tax situation for pilot's in NetJets? Do you pay a flat rate in Portugal then top up in your own country or how does it work. Thank you.

Hi if you scroll the 22 pages before your post you can find plenty of information about it

Just had a closer look and most info is there. Thanks.

I joined NJE in 2004 and had to leave in January 2013. Back in 2004 management was all about convincing the new hires to see NJE as the company they wanted to retire from after a long and enjoyable career. Unfortunately things turned out rather differently for a lot of us who actually wanted to do just that. Overselling of the 25 hours cards and thus disrupting a healthy balance between fractional ownership and the number of cards caused the company to own too many aircraft and when the 2008 crisis hit, there was an excess of around 300 pilots. Fortunately nobody had to be let go thanks to the willingness of the crew to accept one of the options offered. At the end of 2012 128 captains based, or “ gatewayed “, in France and Belgium were fired after new European legislation was introduced with regards to social security contributions for employers even though a 10-year transition period was allowed for people already employed. Although I thoroughly enjoyed my time at NJE, from a career point of view, I should probably never have left the cargo airline where I started my career. Bottom line for me, with NJE hope for the best but prepare for the worst.

I do have one more question. If you live within 1 hour of a Gateway are you guarantee'd to get that gateway for example if you tell them EGCC do you get that gateway or is it subject to availability/seniority? Thanks

You will get it, but you'll need some address that actually is within 60 minutes of travel. And if it just your friend's or brother's place. Obviously, when they put you on STBY, you'll need to be in that area as well.

Thats fine I'm 45 minutes on Google maps.
When you guy's airline home do you do it in uniform or casual clothes?

It depends if you were operating on the last day of your tour (which you probably will be) and whether you can be bothered to change (I don’t).

There is currently a recommendation (not mandated) to position in uniform as it often helps facilitate easier movement through airports - some countries more than others such as France and Switzerland you will get treated with respect and others like the UK you tend to get treated worse 😜

About half the time I end my tour with ground transport within the UK

During COVID-times I always travel in uniform to make the process easier. Off COVID I do it as well, mostly, for the same reason. Less hassle. Except for UK airports, where crew travelling in uniform seem to be put under special scrutiny at security check points. In other countries it is the opposite.

EDIT: ah, too slow, GC already answered it accordingly!

Understood it makes sense in that case. Thank you both.

Hey guys,

Great thread! Really nice to see some comments from actual NJE pilots around how "real life" work scenarios would look like.

Anybody up for Stage 3 end of January/Beginning of Feb? Would be nice to get in touch!

Does anyone know when, if not already, they will restart the hiring process? (Refering to the email about them pausing recruitment due to the covid restrictions)

Good afternoon from Alps. I have seen so many discussion about the contract and how's life inside of NJ. Does anyone finally passed the Stage 3 or Simulator Screening and willing to share some details? Would be great!! All the rest comes later :-)

Good evening to all group members. Does anybody got an invitation for stage 3 end of january/beginning of february? Get in touch!

Hello Everyone,

I have seen that EJM Europe is hiring for second in command, is all these nice netjet pilot experiences apply to EJM too, or is this a different outfit?

thank you

did they open up the process again?

No, it's different. Very different roster, possibly less money (depending on the contract/aircraft), not the same bonus etc..

VERY different terms. Just ask the EJM PIC's that were all let go last year

Well, I thought they were offered to start on the NJE-contract as F/Os in line with seniority? I know, it wasn't a nice move, but I am not sure if anyone was really made redundant. I am sorry for what has happened to these colleagues.

www.pilotjobsnetwork.com/jobs/Netjets_Europe

UPDATED 21/Aug/21??

Why am I not impressed.. Is this really all you get as a Captain with NJE or it it not really up-to-day (I hope not!)?

No, it’s not, they get more. But how much should a European captain be paid? We don’t get paid enough, that’s for sure. But unfortunately there’s an abundance of pilots and none of the companies need to pay top dollar to fill seats, especially when they don’t really care about quality. It’s not helped when these seats can be filled by eastern European pilots for whom these salaries (in their homeland) are enormous. But then cheap Eastern European labor has always suppressed wages in the more affluent EU countries (see UK and Brexit for details - haulage, construction etc…) so this is nothing new.

Dodgy tax agreements where a pilot being based in certain countries can pay minimal tax doesn’t help matters either. It means a €100,000 salary is really like earning €140,000 in a country where the tax system operates normally. So again, they can fill seats.

The US doesn’t have a cheap source of labor so wages are now high.

It’s just a sh***y industry, really.

NJE does not employ "cheap pilots" from "Eastern Europe". But I do agree that aviation has become a shi*tty industry, luckily we still have some nice conditions at NJE. Money is not everything in life. You also need time off work to spend your money and to see your families and friends.

Klimax if you scroll up, look for another post of mine, I had explained the salary system in more detail. The salaries that are listed at PPJN (great that they are back!) are only starting salaries that will be corrected for inflation every single year, plus a significant performance bonus payment on top. We have Phenom captains exceeding 230,000 EUR a year.

To be fair, who cares about Captain salaries in NJ apart from the ones that are Captains in NJ or just some years away from the seat. For all others joining now it's 10-15 years away and who knows how this industry looks like in 15 years time. Just look how much have changed during the last 15 years.

No I wasn’t saying NetJets did, they seem to be the last of the decent employers for both salary and conditions. But others do. And then you have the likes of Vistajet dragging salaries down, it’s quite amazing how their basic salary structure hasn’t changed since ever. How desperate do you have to be to accept an FO salary there, it’s insulting!

Well, it may not be 10 to 15 years for our new hires to become captains. The last 12 years have been largely a stagnating time, but we are now providing all of our senior F/Os a chance to have a go for their upgrade examinations. Also, the F/O salary of 58,500 EUR pa is just a base salary. You can easily add 15,000 to 40,000 EUR as bonus, if we continue to be busy as we are now.

Hello! Does anyone know whether the recruitment process will be open again anytime soon?

Out of interest what would a year one F/O (UK based) be taking home each month on average with basic pay and the additional supplements of flight pay etc? Would be extremely grateful for any guidance - much appreciated.
Cheers
CB

Good morning all,

A quick question to those guys n' gals currently working for the company. Do you know if NETJETS offer any dispensation re: hours to ex-mil pilots? I'm an FJ mate and trying to plan for the future.

I'm about to finish up getting my Frozen ATPL and start looking to transition out of the Mil. Any advice you could offer would be massively appreciated! Happy to chat over PM if that's easier (If my account allows it).

Cheers,
GN

I’m fairly sure this has been covered further up this thread (possibly more than once)

FO Hiring FOs from 13 Sept 2021 - EASA CPL (A) licence with ATPL credit - Valid EU passport - MCC (or valid MP type rating) - Good oral and written command of English language (min. ICAO-Language Proficiency Level 4) - EASA Class 1 Medical - Minimum 1500 hours total flight time - Minimum 500 hours multi-crew with multi-engine flight time; (Single Seat Military Pilots are exempt from the 500 hour MP/ME requirement) - Current and clear Criminal Record for the last 5 years (not older than three months. Every entry in the criminal record needs to be evaluated and approved by NJE) - Up-to-date Logbook