Also what I’d like to add regarding the whole “are they good T&Cs vs they are not” discussion.
For those of you who think they aren’t please keep in mind everybody’s experience is subjective because of past and current experiences.
I’ve worked for roughly 10 years in aviation and never had T&Cs like this.
On top of that, because of the pandemic many are either still working but not flying, flying but not happy where they are or how things are going, or even worse just unemployed. And I know plenty of people in all three of those categories.
So if you have better working conditions where you are at that different, better, anonymous company or if you had those in the past and feel this is beneath you, don’t slag other people off over it.
Or share those triple A companies with us and then the discussion might get interesting.

Good evening all,

Anyone out here working for NJE and based in GVA ? (or ZRH...)
I would have a question about residency... Please PM !

Thanks a lot

"So if you have better working conditions where you are at that different, better, anonymous company or if you had those in the past and feel this is beneath you, don’t slag other people off over it."

If you accept anything, you´ll get nothing.

And just for the record: I think working for NJE isn´t the worst gig by any stretch of the imagination. I was very impressed with them in 2009 etcetc. There are many other operators out there who are way worse.

Hi all,
Question for who already attended the interview in Farnborough.

At the documents check, do they ask for the full logbook or just the last pages??
I have an electronic logbook and I'm wondering if they want me to print everything or they have enough of the last 3/5.

Thanks for the help ☺️
Good luck to all!!

I also am intrigued to hear about all these operators that pay significantly more as I've been working in aviation for a good few years and the NJE pay looks at least equivalent if not better to what I've seen previously. Maybe I've been ripped off all this time. We get paid well for this job, guys.

However, I'd far rather we moved the discussion to the assessment process and the job itself.

Hey folks, I have been lucky enough to continue on to the final stages of the assessment. I was wondering if anyone is eager to share their experiences of the final stages?

all the best,

M.A.

Just the last pages. Electronic logbook works fine.

You got a pm

Thanks a lot! Appreciated

Applications from experienced guys
 

EatMyShorts & Happyjack, you make valid points. But they are not valid in all cases, as personal reasons are important.

My background: 46 years, been flying full time for 25 years, more hours than I can count, left seat and current on B777 in flag carrier airline, technical pilot, instructor, examiner, no ****-ups of any kind. I was rejected after the online interview despite really wanting the NJ job.

I am certain that I performed well in all stages of the NJ assessment and the interview as well, I was humble and honest, and gave a number of reasons why I (truly) wanted the job: mainly family and relocation, I don’t care about the money, which is a fraction in Fraction (!) - nor about being in the right seat. But it seems this is not what they are looking for, which is truly a shame. Their assumption that experienced guys with an airline background will leave again to look for something better, or will have CRM problems with NJ Captains that have a fraction of the experience, is certainly wrong. Ah well, their loss.

The fact that with such an experience you ''complain'' like a '''school boy''' shows that you are not a good fit ....Maybe its an attitude issue not technical nor skills ....

Soft skills are also important and they are not teachable or transferable in contrast with the technical knowledge or stick and rudder skills...

If you really want the job apply again when the industry recovers fully...

You're reading to much into it, I did great at the online interview section and fell at the aptitude tests. My experience is more relevant than yours but that's not the bit they want either, we are similarly aged though so that might have come into play. Whatever it is it's out of your control so it's best to try to move on without being bitter about it.
I only object to the response "we cannot (won't) provide feedback because of the high number of applicants" That's bs, we have all of us put not a small amount of time into the interview process and each person deserves at least a very brief explanation as to why they're not a good fit. That's not really NetJets though, that's Kura and they're not an amazing business in terms of taking care of people ;).

In any case, you're going to see a significant lack of experienced crew out there before long, you'll get to pick your job, at least I hope so :). I just want to find a place that is fun to work with nice people, reasonable management good safety and an acceptable (not high) salary. That's not NetJets for me, good luck to those who do well with them. :)

I feel for those who missed out for whatever reason. NetJets isn't the only player in town. If you're really interested in the biz jet world, you could try Flexjet, Vistajet, Air Hamburg or Luxaviation. Just to name a couple.

He does ? Thats not how I read it, but...

Ostria, I did not complain, it’s no problem for me to stay in my current position or to find another job. I just really wanted to work for Netjets because I know people are generally happy there. I would have been prepared to bring all my experience, and would have been happy in the right seat. The reason I’d be happy in the right seat is exactly because I do have the necessary soft skills, and I because I do understand CRM. After thousands of hours in the left seat of a wide body, I don’t need to prove anything to anyone, including myself.

Thank you for guiding me about the finer points of attitude, soft skills, and stick-and-rudder. I never came across these concepts in 25 years of flying and 15 years of training, but now, thanks to your insights, I finally understand. Thank you also for calling me a school boy. I wish you all the best for your future career, may you enlighten many others.

Boabity - re the “we cannot provide feedback” - I fully agree. Especially where applicants have reached a late stage of the process and an (apparently) considered decision is made, it wouldn’t be too much to ask on what basis, regardless of whether it came from the agency or NJ itself - professional courtesy. Constructive feedback is crucial when someone has failed an assessment, then again, perhaps they just don't have the resources.

If I may chime in real quick, because it now has come up a couple of times in this tread and needs to be addressed: There seems to be the mis-perception that NJE doesn't wish to hire experienced airline pilots. Maybe that mis-perception was fed by JoeLeTaxi (I am not sure if he actually is a NJE pilot, btw.). Anyway, that perception is certainly wrong, or else it woudn't say so in the job ad. Also, the group starting with NJE within the next days certainly is a mix of all three (mainly airline and GA, but also some military pilots).
I would also like to say that the NJE pilot corps always consisted of a mix of former military, airline, and GA/BizAv pilots. This mix always has worked very well with no major CRM issues between pilots because of their flying backgrounds.
So while I can understand your frustration (have been disappointed often enough myself), you are making some unfounded assumptions.

Cheers

@ OSTRIA

I think I recognise you, weren't you a case study on my last CRM recurrent?

BTW - it is not called "soft skills" any more. Non-technicals or NOTECHs is the preferred name. ;)
Looks like I'll be seeing some of you in a week's time. ;)

It is not NJE who eliminates you, it is some 25 to 30 years old moron, working for a useless company ( Kura ), whom has decided you were not good enough for the job !
This is the problem in our industry. We have allowed all kind of parasites ( HR, bean counters, recruitment agencies, etc.. ) taking the crucial decision on our professional lives. Now we are paying the price !

Let it go chaps. I passed the assessment and I have 10 years airline background and 4 in the left seat. I wasn't the only one. If you didn't get through the first stages it's probably because the algorithm is ridiculous. It happens.

Still waiting for anything after the: "we've had a lot of people apply and we'll come back to you later" email. Anyone here that recently got an invitation for a further stage or are they first going to the end with everyone they initially invited to a further stage before starting a new batch?

I got an invitation after receiving the that e-mail twice. That was couple of weeks ago.

Those of you, who were not chosen to continue the application process, but really, really want to join the company, try it again next time, show your commitment!

Interesting. How exactly could "we" have prevented that ?

Yes ! Commit to the cause ! ...../ irony off

Come on, I simply tried to uplift those who were unsuccessful this time, please stop taking it out of context.

Either someone really wants to join the Netjets-family, or not. We are happy campers, mostly - and money is not everything in life - when you have enough time to actually live a life without being on call 24/7. And money: money is not bad, or do you think a Phenom captain is underpaid when he makes something like 150,000 to 180,000 EUR for working 200 days net a year?

Not bad at all, no matter what aircraft. I would like to know if there is a more precise number as the salary for FO...
Thx in advance.

All the very unionized airlines ( AF, Luft,BA,etc.. ) should have stand up !

Looking to get in touch with the candidates who were having their stage 3 with me at FAB on Dec 5.
Drop a pm if possible, cheers.

Or he/she tries hard and never gets an answer. Happened to me, and better people than me. (many years ago, but still...) For me it was most likely much better than joining NJE, but thats another story...

And I now a few not-so-happy campers. Bottom line (for me): its a company and as an employee, you're just that. I don´t marry my employer, although I´m with the current one now for almost 15 years.

When you look at the fact that the company employs nearly 600 pilots, you will always find someone who's unhappy. Yes, as mentioned in this thread here, there are some things that are not great and the Union is looking at fixing them. We just need a bit of leverage. And those who are really, really unhappy, could just leave for greener pastures - but somehow they don't, although they are ranting and complaining every single day. And we have had a people leave for better jobs, so they thought, but only a few were lucky. Many, though, had to look for new employers at a regular basis, because their aircraft got sold, or the owner moved his aircraft to another management company etc.. You, working for the same employer for 15 years, are one of the lucky ones - and you know that perfectly well. And you have also come by the type of person that will never be happy, no matter what you do. These people need to work a normal job for some time to appreciate how well we are treated (not limited to Netjets, but in general), normally.

One more time: my message about keeping on trying was meant as motivator. If Netjets was really soooooooo bad, we'd have a much higher turnover of crew. But we don't. I have been with the company in excess of 17 years already and I am in good company with this. I think I know what I am talking about, in regards to Netjets.

I am sorry for those who haven't made the selection. For those that have, I have met a genuinely lovely and fun bunch of pilots and cabin crew this week. Enjoy the day off ;)

Hello there, anybody willing to share some information on what to prepare for those two days in farnborough? For the interviews just personal or as well technical stuff and what will happen in the SIM🙏🏼

Thanks in advance!!!

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A little bit offtopic question for the anyone that flew into the UK from the EU for the interview recently:

How did it work with the PCR test on arrival, were you able to get the result on the same day? Wondering how many days I have to fly in early to have the result guaranteed on interview day.

EatMyShorts!

well said. I know one case personally. Constantly chasing new jobs after leaving NJE. Not many pilots are in the comfortable position to fly for decades for a well run corporate or private gig which offers better conditions.

In order to get a balanced view of what is being offered, can anyone share the amount covered by the training bond and if it is reducing or non-reducing over the 3 years?

Thanks

17 years ago it covered the cost of the type rating and it reduced over 3 years.
What the deal is now I don't know, I suppose I could ask someone in January.

I have no idea either, had twice training bonds but nether thought of leaving, so didn't care. This is my 3rd type rating and no bond.

Entreiß UK
 

As a german lad, anyone an idea how to deal with the new regulations? And how expensive is a PCR test in UK? I am wondering, bc afaik you need extra 24h in UK for the test result, do a test before flying, do a test before flying back to Germany and do another one in Germany. And from the last weekend on, full 14 days quarantine in Germany.... Yeah

Anyone from Germany attending in January? Please PM

Could any NetJets pilots share a typical 6 day roster? Would be interesting to see the length of duty/destinations etc. I know it varies a lot but it would be really helpful to get an idea of what a 6 day tour would look like 😊 Feel free to dm it if you don’t want to post it here. Cheers!

Most bonds are 2 years, reducing every month.
I think there is one 3 year bond for one of the longer haul types.