The disadvantage of joining Netjets, the way i see it: yes lifestyle and pay is great but if you are getting unemployed, no matter what the reason is, you are left behind with a XLS or Phenom rating which basically useless. Time on Boeing/Airbus is way to go. Perhaps you will find another gig in GA but never as good as netjets.

Not at Netjets. The starting salary is fully transparent: https://www.pilotjobsnetwork.com/jobs/Netjets_Europe

F/Os start with a gross salary of 58,500 EUR per year. In the 3rd year they jump immediately to 66,300 EUR. Should you be unlucky and still be on the right seat after 10 years, you'll get promoted to Senior F/O and earn a new basic salary of 79,700 EUR per year. When you upgrade, your new salary will be 107,000 EUR. After two years, you'll jump to 114,850 EUR.

Important: Each year all salaries automatically increase by the EU28 inflation index of the previous year, this can be something between 0.7% and 3.x%, this year it might be a bit more. That's why we do not have static salary tables, but only starting salaries by rank. For technical or layout reasons, the tables at PPJN are a bit misleading. The starting salaries for each step are accurate, but all further years up the same rank are not, because nobody knows what the inflation correction will be during those years.

On top of your basic salary you will still earn a bonus that is based on block hours per year. Depending on your fleet and how many hours you fly, this can go beyond 30,000 EUR, in the future it will be even more. I'd say that the average pilot will get something between 15,000 and 25,000 EUR extra per year.

It has changed. Although, last year I was on the receiving end of "the mistake", but luckily we all were re-employed quickly in our former ranks, salaries, vacation-entitlements etc.. Still, it was an "interesting" experience that I do not wish to anyone.

Basically, in this modern world, there's nothing for sure anymore. What we certainly do know is, that this segment of aviation is booming again and that we are really, really busy and that we are getting paid for it. Despite the hiccup in 2020, I am still proud to still work with all the fine colleagues at Netjets - this is the essence. After a few months, a plane is just a plane. It's the people that you have to get along with.

Online assessment ?
 

Hi
Does any body know what the 10 min online assessment is about. You received a link after you have filled the application?

Time to command
 

I see mentions here of 5-10 years to command?

Current demographics show that this is closer to 15 years.

Just trying to paint an honest picture for those thinking of applying, who will be staring at the RHS of a light jet for the foreseeable future.

No, 5-10 years is reasonable. Quite possibly on the lower side of that estimate. There are a LOT of retirements coming up in that time frame. Of course, if the whole world falls over with some crisis of some sort then it’s anyone’s guess but that goes without saying I think.
edit to add ; it also depends a lot on where in the 90 new hires you are. The first newbies taken on of course will be more senior and therefore several years closer to upgrade compared to the guys at the back.

Hey guys :ok:

I applied as well to Netjets, but still a bit confused about the monthly average salary after tax (maybe around 3.000€ net?), per diems/adicional pay and bonus based on block hours...

I have lost my job due to Covid and now i got a freelance job to fly wide body abroad but the conditions are really awful.
I logged in 6000hrs on comercial jet, but still FO for having being jumping from one place to another and at this time of my life with 40+ years old, i am definitely now looking for some stability and a secure job at home base, social security and taxes payed, and with good perspectives for the future.

I really wouldn't mind to fly business jet, this life style of 6/5 and a reasonable pay with a permanent contract? Suits me perfectly!

So i am very interested in this oportunity, anyone else in the same situation?

Would be nice to have some thoughts and feedbacks from all of you.
PM are welcome as well :)

Safe flights and thanks in advance for your replies!

Hello unhappyjack,
I am sorry that you have made such a bad experience with Netjets. This is NOT the norm, though! It may be true that the company does not like to admit to mistakes that former-former-former-former-former-former-former managers have made, but as I have joined the company in 2004 and have seen many management teams come and go, me and 100 to 200 of other very senior pilots will tell you that such management-style is gone. We made our careers, most became captains rather quickly. Some f***ed up repeatedly and had to leave or became victims of the world financial crisis that bit us hard. That is tough and there is nothing to defend the company for doing wrong at times.

2020 was another black spot, yes. As I wrote, I was affected by it as well, but this is not due to the company, but due to management and the guy was axed more than a year ago. Is everything fine now? No. Are many things better now? Yes.
Surely, this company MAY react stupidly in times of crisis, we got the proof for this. But the Netjets that you experienced in 2002 is a completely different company from what it is now. The union is stronger than it was before, in your days at Netjets it did not exist at all.

You can lose your job in any company in times of crisis! I'm rather here than almost anywhere else. Airlines, pffffft, what a boring life. And you have to work.

I have been in the company around 3 years so I’m not on the SFO salary given above.

My net this month was slightly over £6000 in the RHS (though this is inflated somewhat due to volunteering for the seasonal tour based pay). Oh - also I got something like €650 in per diems (less than EU based colleagues as UK crews are partially taxed on per diems now) on top of that.

At the end of the year I will get a performance bonus for the same hours I was already rewarded for from the sessional block hour pay. Double dipping 👍👍

You will not be struggling to feed your family here.

Hi all,

Thank you for this valuable information.

What about SOPs and salfety culture? I would appreciate to learn more for instance on automation policy?

Cheers,

Hi Globally Challenged

Thanks for the infos :ok:

Sounds like a good salary indeed :D

Well must be heavily inflated by the seasonal tour based pay. Year three salary should give you around 3600 pounds in your hand plus per diems if I calculated it correct? It's great that you can take home 6000 pounds in a month but what is interesting is what your base salary is. Who knows how much over time there will be in the future? Plus I presume you need to come in on your off days to get that type of money?

OFF is OFF at NetJets. You can volunteer to work extended days (I didn’t). I have volunteered to adjust my contracted days from 200 to 208 which lifts my basic salary to €69615. My roster during the summer has been 6 on 4 off.

Tour based pay has been good for me (it depends on what variety of options your volunteered for and also depends greatly on your gateway - being London based means I usually fly for the full 6 days where other locations can be airlining on days 1 and 6). This month it was €4995 before tax for the TBP.

My personal TBP rate based on vacation and roster changes I volunteered for is €143.33 per hour over a given threshold based on length of tour. (Those hours will be rewarded again at the end of the year with a tiered hourly rate)

One of our SFOs nets €10k per month - but he is almost never home … horses for courses here as you can also opt for flexible working to reduce your work days way down

SOPs are similar to airline.

Safety culture is superb - never any questions asked if you are fatigued etc or you need to ground an aircraft (it’s recommended to speak to the company first as they may have a solution ). Very unusual in my experience working for other GA operators where oddly enough, faults only ever get found back at base 😉🧐🧐🧐

We are encouraged to disengage automatics when workload / situation allows. Visual approaches are not at all unusual for us.

Good to hear that, thank you !

Hi all,

Very interesting topics are discussed here and I thank all of you who give us an insight of the Netjets conditions.

I as well am waiting for a response of the company on this August FO vacancy.

anyone has had a call or email yet as a response to the application?

Nothing yet. Though I can imagine with >1100 applications it may be a slightly slower than anticipated process.

Surprised it's not more. Vistajet received more than 4000 when they opened the doors and NJ offers much better T&C.

Most pilots seem to be too posh to fly a Phenom, XLS or Latitude. Many want a guaranteed seat on a Challenger or Global. That's the market!

Not sure it's just about being too posh to fly a smaller airframe. NJ management has showed more than once now over a decade that as soon as there is any form of dip in the market, the first thing they do is to lay off people. Doesn't matter if there is a "new management", the culture is there. With this in mind, being employable is critical. Flying a Global with 45 tons MTOM surely qualifies you for more jobs than a Phenom rating if you for any reason have to look for a new job. Flying a phenom inside the walls of NJ is of course great, but I know more than one who were let go around 2013-2015 with XLS ratings. 5+ years in the LHS at NJ were great as long as it lasted but once they were out they had to buy themselves a 737 rating to land a new job...in the RHS.

I agree, there's more to it than just personal taste and preference for aircraft. I wouldn't want to be one of the guys holding an A380 rating right now too, for example. Yet, that's an amazing and unique aircraft and most definitely not "small" so it must not be about that. Covid was a nice eyeopener, in many ways. Some get out of airlines, some do the opposite, some change aircraft type to a more popular one for job-hunting purposes or some do not want to sacrifice most of their family-time for earn-money-time like they used to do before anymore. We have to think 3-dimensional now. Just looking at one aspect and 'going for it' is not going to help you in the future unfortunately.

Ha, "too posh" was great to fish for comments, it worked! :)

Of course those ratings are not worth a lot on the market outside of Netjets. Nowhere will anyone pay you 120k EUR per year as a captain on a Phenom/Citation XLS. I am on a large cabin (not Global) type, but still not worth that much, as it is some kind of exotic plane and the pilot market is rather saturated on that type. After getting laid off last year, I was ready for being unemployed for 2 years, such is life. And, yes, it is true that the company seems to get nervous quickly when a financial crisis happens. The case last year was different though. I cannot and will not comment too much on it. In general the company is and was in good shape and we did not have surplus aircraft&crew, it was just a stupid decision, luckily it was reversed quickly. In 2010 we had 160+ aircraft for a market that only supported 90 to 100. A different ballgame.

PS: type ratings for biz jets are forbiddingly expensive. When you want to go for the airlines and you have to pay for rating, it's usually very, very cheap. B737 or A320? 13,000 EUR. Bizjet? 40,000 EUR....

Could be the prospect of up to 10 years RHS - especially if you have been a Captain before!

Pretty sure COVID won’t change that, keeping in mind, that the aviation business in general seems to be picking up quicker than anticipated. Virgin, Emirates etc pp. have started recalling people. BA and others will follow pretty soon….

Sorry I wasn't clear with what I meant. I meant that an aircraft with a weight of around 50 tons would qualify you for more options than a phenom/XLS type of weight. Not meaning a Global/Challenger rating would give you any jobs itself... With pic time on a Global you could even qualify as DEC for many low cost ops in the weight class of a Boeing/Airbus (when market permits). That's difficult with a XLS rating...

Hi Moonwalker,

but actually, this is true. A rating on a Global or Gulfstream will give you some freelance or even full time contracts with reasonable pay, while the smaller fleets will not leave you in a good position. The average salary for a light jet is considerably lower than what Netjets pays its crews. That's why I like the company, you make the same basic salary, no matter what fleet you are on. And: the smaller your plane, the higher you bonus will be, because without APU and without FA, a factor is applied and the bonus will be quite a bit higher than what the guys and girls on the attended fleets get as extra. This is quite unique and I think that it is absolutely fair.

First Indoc course is due to be in Dec, so the team will have to get it's skates on if selecting crew with a 3 month notice period.

It all depends. I know easyJet used 50t for non type rated DECs in the last years, of course they still required the DECs to pay for the rating themselves, albeit with the possibility to pay if from their salary in installments. That said, it is unlikely to see that again in the next few years.

For all NJE pilots posting here, many thanks for the infos.
I am still waiting for the outcome of my application but i was wondering if there is any info available regarding interview questions/simulator scenarios, and also if any ideia of what type of Aircraft/Simulator for those who make it to the sim?
PM are very welcome :ok:

Safe flights to all of you!

Hi Boomless,
I am not part of the interview team but reckon the sim scenario will involve hand flying an SID and I think a 2D approach or an ILS. Expect some sort of scenario that will involve displaying captaincy / airmanship (can we still use that word or is it airpersonship now?) such as low fuel, diversion, pax problem. For the interview no idea but there should be the usual questions on tech, performance, met, customer service and CRM plus some sort of HR input (are you prepared to move house to be within 1 hour of gateway, are there family concerns with 5 nights away, your attitude to frequent short notice changes for example). No idea of which aircraft for the sim - probably depends on what is available but fairly sure it will be a business jet, not an Airbus or Boeing but no promises!
I don't want to give away too much otherwise that negates the whole interview process.
Good luck to all - looking forward to having some fresh blood on the line.

Hi Mike,

Thank you so much for your reply and precious information.
Sounds like pretty straight forward process, this topics (Airmanship, CRM, problem solving scenarios, customer service oriented) are in fact the most relevant and makes perfect sense to evaluate the candidates on this.
Again, thank you for sharing this with us! That´s true fellowship :ok:

No answer from recruitment here either. Hoping to become a part of NJE, heard a lot of good things about the company. Good luck to all.

Wondering as well when the first responses go out, or if people are just staying quiet when they did 😂

thats tends to be the practice around here. Makes sure they don’t get bombarded with DM’s

Hi everyone, does somebody have an idea as how much of a mandatory requirement is the PBN Training Certificate/PBN licence endorsement during the NJE selection process?

On Kura website it was listed as a "desirable", not mandatory, but later on in the text it seemed as a mandatory requirement again.
Currently I only have a valid typerating (ME/IR, 70t. JET) on my licence without PBN and LVO endorsements. However it was on my licence in the past while I was operating for a previous company. That said it should be only a matter of few approaches during a possible T/R.
Thanks for any input and fingers crossed for all in the NJE selection :ok:

Hi GoatriderClassic,

I am not sure of this but, i have the idea that PBN license endorsement is related to the type where you had the proficiency check that included RNP Approaches exercises.
Once you change type, you loose the privilege to operate RNP Approaches, CAA will not endorse PBN on your new type rating license, unless you practice RNP APP again during the new type rating.
Did you fly a different type on previous company? If its the same type, did you practice RNP during the OCC simulators for the new company?
Again, this is just my guess, my advice is to check with your training dep or CAA.
Nevertheless, i understood according to the Kura website, its a "desirable" requirement and a new type rating in NJE or elsewhere, they can easily add some RNP APP on your simulators profiles and tick it in the box, i wouldn't worry to much about it.

According to the FAQ the "Online Interview and Document Verification" should have started 20th september. That means it is ongoing for 8 days already. Let's see, I have not received anything yet.

Yeah, FAQs also says we will all know by Friday next week.

Is that because you counted 14 days from the closing day of application?

The "You can expect to hear the outcome of the selection process within 10-14 days" part is only after stage 3 I believe, which is going to start at 24th of October.