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Originally Posted by Phalare
(Post 11122274)
I meant the initial online assessment, right after you applied...
May I ask you more or less your experience? Hours? |
Went through interview today,
all I can say is that it’s non technical / focus on who you are, why you want to join, and what makes your profile fit. you’re asked to confirm your documents (licenses. Endorsements, flight time) but that’s only Q&A, guess the document check is done once at farnborough. interviews are running until the 12th so not expecting an answer before that, Sim+ face 2 face interview held last week of the month in U.K good luck to all |
I haven't received anything after their initial auto e-mail whereafter you are required to answer some questions. I have 4000+ airline experience and match all requirements. Really pity. The excitement has dropped to zero very fast.
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Hi guys, while reading your latest posts I'm already getting a little confused - how many online assessment levels are there?
My understanding was following: 1) few multichoice + two open answer questions right after the "registration" 2) "CUT-E" like assesment next Which leaves the competency/strength/tech questions for the possible face2face session in Farnborough or this should be done as a follow up to the "CUT-E/part 2" of the online assessment (if you pass?). I recall that the Kura FAQ file mentioned some tips for an Zoom/Teams interview, but I expected this as a "part 2" so I was fairly surprised when it contained only the "CUT-E" like tests. Can anyone shed some light on this please? Thanks! |
1 is the initial with the 2 essay questions
2 is the CUT-E type assessment 3 is online Zoom Interview (running from 5-12 oct in my batch at least) 4 is simulator/face-2-face interview (25-31 oct in farnborough) they put it into phases but that’s the way it goes |
Originally Posted by Winged Lion
(Post 11122363)
I haven't received anything after their initial auto e-mail whereafter you are required to answer some questions. I have 4000+ airline experience and match all requirements. Really pity. The excitement has dropped to zero very fast.
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Originally Posted by Tailstrik
(Post 11122543)
Same here, 7000h, B787 and B737, SFI, bachelor degree, level 5 etc. Never got called. I know people with less experience got invited to the next stage. I dont think depends of the eassy, I reckon its just luck to get your cv picked. All the best, better is yet to come
All the best and safe flights! |
Good luck to you all! Indeed, better times will come for our airline brothers and sisters, don't despair.
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Originally Posted by EatMyShorts!
(Post 11122591)
Good luck to you all! Indeed, better times will come for our airline brothers and sisters, don't despair.
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8000+ Hours on global networks, wide body, incl PIC hours , with FI rating and recent activity….
whether you are airliner or GA , experience or not, let’s be humble! Over 1200 applicants for only just below a 100 seats, it’s a tough job to select in between the hours and ratings for everyone |
There’s always a bit of lottery I guess when the market is saturated in the wrong way. The “cut-e” thresholds can also be adjusted percentile wise to be very sensitive.
4000+ H mostly airline, 3 years customer service exec. I doubt heavy/pic/FI hours matter much to go for years RHS of a 8T MTOW. anyway, best of luck to all. |
Originally Posted by EatMyShorts!
(Post 11122591)
Good luck to you all! Indeed, better times will come for our airline brothers and sisters, don't despair.
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Originally Posted by Joe le Taxi
(Post 11122636)
In my experience, pilots who have only known airline ops, cope relatively poorly with the flexibility, common sense and personal VVIP client service required of biz jets; and the ones who rubbed everyone up the wrong way with an "attitude" have all been Flag carrier retirees - in a couple of cases, unmitigated nightmares! Most operators are aware of this history, so that's probably a factor. A colleague got to interview with similar experience, but also had a lot of bizjet experience, plus a licence issued by a country which NJ needs.
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SOP - to a degree, but if a circumstance arises which isn't A-Z encyclopedically covered by the ops manual, I sometimes find the airline's new-gen FOs are lost and out of ideas (whizzes at the "search" function though!). CRM - I'm afraid I totally disagree - biz jet pilots are aces at drawing on incredibly diverse resources, from sourcing catering, building a professional and courteous relationship with client and other crew alike... through to eg refilling a flight plan on the hoof, and basically just being pleasant and intelligent company for a five day trip.
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I'll leave you believing what you wrote :)
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Still think the recruitment should be held in a bar, anyone can learn SOPs, but can they keep smiling after five 6am shows. Personality is a massive factor to having a good tour or a bad one. Those with all those hours and big plane experience, are you really going to stay on the right seat in Netjets when the big airlines are calling. It’s happened before and will happen again so as you can imagine the recruitment parameters are probably not as simply as,‘I have this and that’.
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Yes, the question inevitably asked will be " how come, after 8000 hours of purely airline flying, have you now deigned to apply for private ops"?
EMS, a personal opinion, but one formed over 15 years of private and 20 years of airline flying, so it has some foundation. It does get my hackles up when I see posts from airline pilots who feel superior by default, and how dare they not get an interview. Not here necessarily, but it is common. |
Originally Posted by Joe le Taxi
(Post 11122702)
Yes, the question inevitably asked will be " how come, after 8000 hours of purely airline flying, have you now deigned to apply for private ops"?
EMS, a personal opinion, but one formed over 15 years of private and 20 years of airline flying, so it has some foundation. It does get my hackles up when I see posts from airline pilots who feel superior by default, and how dare they not get an interview. Not here necessarily, but it is common. I find this anger and resentment towards your fellow airlines colleagues unbelievable! Not to mention your opinion about CRM and SOP´s... :ugh: If some of us posted and share our airlines hours experience, it was in the sense that we were hoping this could be an advantage, not because we think we are better than you just because we fly bigger airplanes! And if one day, you have to deal with an Abn/Emerg situation in flight, please be cool, apply CRM and SOP´s, because catering servicing experience, mastering last minute changes on the FPlan and smiles to your costumer wont be enough! |
Amply demonstrated my point boom. :rolleyes:
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Well I'm not going to join the discussion itself but do have to share my two cents since tomorrow is the last day to receive something (ANYTHING) from them and I haven't heard anything so far.
Let's not speculate about the GA versus Airline since a SELECTION should take place to see if a/any candidate is a match for the position according to their specific qualities that they seek for in a candidate. IF they really would have preferred GA pilots over airline pilots by default like some are trying to make it sound like here, then they could have easily put that in their advertisement for the job as a hard criteria. However, as a pure airline experienced pilot I was able to apply without not matching a single criteria listed on their website so that is not the case: obviously I belong to their target group. Now, in this case I expect myself to be fully eligible for the job for at least the first round so I should be further assessed as an individual (or rejected because they have found better candidates). In the meantime I would like to be treated with respect and receive any sign of appreciation instead of holding me in the dark. I will probably be one of the persons receiving one of the mass emails that will probably be sent tomorrow with "thank your for interest but unfortunately...." which is not even a big deal but the hold-off until the very last moment possible is. Wish better times for all you guys. Take care. |
Hey guys, has anybody gotten any answer today at all? From either the interview or a PFO without any invitation to the online assessment?
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Heard nothing more since the initial online test which comes immediately after applying….
Standing by for the PFO mail ….. |
Just got a mail stating due to the amount of applications it may take a while to get back to me. No PFO, so still in the running (?) I guess
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Originally Posted by MostAnnoying
(Post 11123286)
Just got a mail stating due to the amount of applications it may take a while to get back to me. No PFO, so still in the running (?) I guess
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Originally Posted by Winged Lion
(Post 11123289)
My guess at this point is that we are kind of in a standby position. Ah well. At least they held their word and actually respected their deadline.
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The “Best wishes” at the end of the email does looks like a polite PFO email
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Please note that this first step has been outsourced, so it's not Netjets people replying to you, most likely.
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Originally Posted by MostAnnoying
(Post 11123286)
Just got a mail stating due to the amount of applications it may take a while to get back to me. No PFO, so still in the running (?) I guess
Lets hope for the best, fingers crossed guys! 🤞🏻 |
Originally Posted by pifpafpouf
(Post 11122415)
1 is the initial with the 2 essay questions
2 is the CUT-E type assessment 3 is online Zoom Interview (running from 5-12 oct in my batch at least) 4 is simulator/face-2-face interview (25-31 oct in farnborough) they put it into phases but that’s the way it goes Is there a way to practice for this CUT-E type assessment? |
Originally Posted by pifpafpouf
(Post 11122350)
Went through interview today,
all I can say is that it’s non technical / focus on who you are, why you want to join, and what makes your profile fit. you’re asked to confirm your documents (licenses. Endorsements, flight time) but that’s only Q&A, guess the document check is done once at farnborough. interviews are running until the 12th so not expecting an answer before that, Sim+ face 2 face interview held last week of the month in U.K good luck to all Any hint of how to prepare for the CUT-E assessment? |
Originally Posted by Joe le Taxi
(Post 11122702)
Yes, the question inevitably asked will be " how come, after 8000 hours of purely airline flying, have you now deigned to apply for private ops"?
EMS, a personal opinion, but one formed over 15 years of private and 20 years of airline flying, so it has some foundation. It does get my hackles up when I see posts from airline pilots who feel superior by default, and how dare they not get an interview. Not here necessarily, but it is common. |
Originally Posted by EatMyShorts!
(Post 11123379)
Please note that this first step has been outsourced, so it's not Netjets people replying to you, most likely.
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Netherlands gateway
Apologies for total off topic, but I see some members here are part of the Netjets family.
Would any one of you guys be able to share salary tax numbers for AMS gateway please? Non-resident/resident? Many thanks |
Unfortunately it seems to be an EASA requirement now. I've had to do the same for a part time FI job at my former flight school.
Lubitz passed the DLR but he still did what he did. |
Originally Posted by nafta
(Post 11123748)
Apologies for total off topic, but I see some members here are part of the Netjets family.
Would any one of you guys be able to share salary tax numbers for AMS gateway please? Non-resident/resident? Many thanks |
Originally Posted by Banana Joe
(Post 11123772)
Unfortunately it seems to be an EASA requirement now. I've had to do the same for a part time FI job at my former flight school.
Lubitz passed the DLR but he still did what he did. |
How do pilots pay their taxes? Are they paid directly by netjets or do you declare your income in your tax residence country?
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I hate psychometric tests, they feel useless and for a long time I thought they were. But Science says differently. and I'm not always a fan of companies outsourcing the initial recruitment process (I had a terrible experience with CTC now L3 doing just that), but it's a stretch to say that Kura know nothing about aviation. They are human factors experts and have an entire department dedicated to recruitment for the aviation indunstry, staffed by current airline pilots and similar folks.
It's an unfortunate part of the process. We just have to jump through the hoops and suck it up. |
Originally Posted by Winged Lion
(Post 11123797)
I do not think you have to account for that, it seems like they state aft-tax figures whichever the country.
Each country seems to be a bit different. I can only speak about UK bases but our per-diems are now mostly taxed which is obviously annoying. So it comes down to the double taxation rules between the UK and your gateway. It’s a hot topic with the union right now and I suspect EU contracts are on the horizon finally as I think it will be mandated by law soon. Our Dutch and Danish colleagues are particularly badly hit by this currently. |
Originally Posted by EPR SET
(Post 11124026)
Hi pifpafpouf, how long in advance did they invite you for the Online Interview? Thanks.
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