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Sky95 6th October 2021 16:06


Originally Posted by Phalare (Post 11122274)
I meant the initial online assessment, right after you applied...

Same as you i didn't receive any email after the quiz plus the 2 questions that you have to answer with your words.

May I ask you more or less your experience? Hours?

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pifpafpouf 6th October 2021 19:05

Went through interview today,

all I can say is that it’s non technical / focus on who you are, why you want to join, and what makes your profile fit.

you’re asked to confirm your documents (licenses. Endorsements, flight time) but that’s only Q&A, guess the document check is done once at farnborough.

interviews are running until the 12th so not expecting an answer before that, Sim+ face 2 face interview held last week of the month in U.K

good luck to all

Winged Lion 6th October 2021 19:34

I haven't received anything after their initial auto e-mail whereafter you are required to answer some questions. I have 4000+ airline experience and match all requirements. Really pity. The excitement has dropped to zero very fast.

GoatriderClassic 6th October 2021 19:41

Hi guys, while reading your latest posts I'm already getting a little confused - how many online assessment levels are there?
My understanding was following:
1) few multichoice + two open answer questions right after the "registration"
2) "CUT-E" like assesment next

Which leaves the competency/strength/tech questions for the possible face2face session in Farnborough or this should be done as a follow up to the "CUT-E/part 2" of the online assessment (if you pass?).
I recall that the Kura FAQ file mentioned some tips for an Zoom/Teams interview, but I expected this as a "part 2" so I was fairly surprised when it contained only the "CUT-E" like tests.

Can anyone shed some light on this please? Thanks!

pifpafpouf 6th October 2021 21:33

1 is the initial with the 2 essay questions
2 is the CUT-E type assessment
3 is online Zoom Interview (running from 5-12 oct in my batch at least)
4 is simulator/face-2-face interview (25-31 oct in farnborough)

they put it into phases but that’s the way it goes

Tailstrik 7th October 2021 06:45


Originally Posted by Winged Lion (Post 11122363)
I haven't received anything after their initial auto e-mail whereafter you are required to answer some questions. I have 4000+ airline experience and match all requirements. Really pity. The excitement has dropped to zero very fast.

Same here, 7000h, B787 and B737, SFI, bachelor degree, level 5 etc. Never got called. I know people with less experience got invited to the next stage. I dont think depends of the eassy, I reckon its just luck to get your cv picked. All the best, better is yet to come

Boomless 7th October 2021 09:10


Originally Posted by Tailstrik (Post 11122543)
Same here, 7000h, B787 and B737, SFI, bachelor degree, level 5 etc. Never got called. I know people with less experience got invited to the next stage. I dont think depends of the eassy, I reckon its just luck to get your cv picked. All the best, better is yet to come

Same here guys, 7000h+ on comercial airlines, including wide body and no answer yet... but better days will come for us!
All the best and safe flights!

EatMyShorts! 7th October 2021 09:14

Good luck to you all! Indeed, better times will come for our airline brothers and sisters, don't despair.

Phalare 7th October 2021 09:43


Originally Posted by EatMyShorts! (Post 11122591)
Good luck to you all! Indeed, better times will come for our airline brothers and sisters, don't despair.

I come from the GA world so it's not only the airlines guys. Good luck to all anyways!
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PontiusPilotus 7th October 2021 09:47

8000+ Hours on global networks, wide body, incl PIC hours , with FI rating and recent activity….
whether you are airliner or GA , experience or not, let’s be humble! Over 1200 applicants for only just below a 100 seats, it’s a tough job to select in between the hours and ratings for everyone

pifpafpouf 7th October 2021 10:55

There’s always a bit of lottery I guess when the market is saturated in the wrong way. The “cut-e” thresholds can also be adjusted percentile wise to be very sensitive.
4000+ H mostly airline, 3 years customer service exec.
I doubt heavy/pic/FI hours matter much to go for years RHS of a 8T MTOW.

anyway, best of luck to all.

Joe le Taxi 7th October 2021 10:56


Originally Posted by EatMyShorts! (Post 11122591)
Good luck to you all! Indeed, better times will come for our airline brothers and sisters, don't despair.

In my experience, pilots who have only known airline ops, cope relatively poorly with the flexibility, common sense and personal VVIP client service required of biz jets; and the ones who rubbed everyone up the wrong way with an "attitude" have all been Flag carrier retirees - in a couple of cases, unmitigated nightmares! Most operators are aware of this history, so that's probably a factor. A colleague got to interview with similar experience, but also had a lot of bizjet experience, plus a licence issued by a country which NJ needs.

EatMyShorts! 7th October 2021 11:17


Originally Posted by Joe le Taxi (Post 11122636)
In my experience, pilots who have only known airline ops, cope relatively poorly with the flexibility, common sense and personal VVIP client service required of biz jets; and the ones who rubbed everyone up the wrong way with an "attitude" have all been Flag carrier retirees - in a couple of cases, unmitigated nightmares! Most operators are aware of this history, so that's probably a factor. A colleague got to interview with similar experience, but also had a lot of bizjet experience, plus a licence issued by a country which NJ needs.

Hmm, there's no general rule. Netjets is looking for the best of both worlds: SOP-discipline and CRM-skills that are far better in airlines than in GA, flexibility and an open mind that are more developed in GA. From the days that I got hired, I remember this German gentleman who showed up for his interview and SIM-ride in bluejeans and a leather pilot jacket. Oh well...

Joe le Taxi 7th October 2021 12:20

SOP - to a degree, but if a circumstance arises which isn't A-Z encyclopedically covered by the ops manual, I sometimes find the airline's new-gen FOs are lost and out of ideas (whizzes at the "search" function though!). CRM - I'm afraid I totally disagree - biz jet pilots are aces at drawing on incredibly diverse resources, from sourcing catering, building a professional and courteous relationship with client and other crew alike... through to eg refilling a flight plan on the hoof, and basically just being pleasant and intelligent company for a five day trip.

EatMyShorts! 7th October 2021 12:57

I'll leave you believing what you wrote :)

binzer 7th October 2021 13:16

Still think the recruitment should be held in a bar, anyone can learn SOPs, but can they keep smiling after five 6am shows. Personality is a massive factor to having a good tour or a bad one. Those with all those hours and big plane experience, are you really going to stay on the right seat in Netjets when the big airlines are calling. It’s happened before and will happen again so as you can imagine the recruitment parameters are probably not as simply as,‘I have this and that’.

Joe le Taxi 7th October 2021 13:35

Yes, the question inevitably asked will be " how come, after 8000 hours of purely airline flying, have you now deigned to apply for private ops"?

EMS, a personal opinion, but one formed over 15 years of private and 20 years of airline flying, so it has some foundation. It does get my hackles up when I see posts from airline pilots who feel superior by default, and how dare they not get an interview. Not here necessarily, but it is common.

Boomless 7th October 2021 14:03


Originally Posted by Joe le Taxi (Post 11122702)
Yes, the question inevitably asked will be " how come, after 8000 hours of purely airline flying, have you now deigned to apply for private ops"?

EMS, a personal opinion, but one formed over 15 years of private and 20 years of airline flying, so it has some foundation. It does get my hackles up when I see posts from airline pilots who feel superior by default, and how dare they not get an interview. Not here necessarily, but it is common.


I find this anger and resentment towards your fellow airlines colleagues unbelievable!
Not to mention your opinion about CRM and SOP´s... :ugh:
If some of us posted and share our airlines hours experience, it was in the sense that we were hoping this could be an advantage, not because we think we are better than you just because we fly bigger airplanes!
And if one day, you have to deal with an Abn/Emerg situation in flight, please be cool, apply CRM and SOP´s, because catering servicing experience, mastering last minute changes on the FPlan and smiles to your costumer wont be enough!

Joe le Taxi 7th October 2021 14:28

Amply demonstrated my point boom. :rolleyes:

Winged Lion 7th October 2021 18:38

Well I'm not going to join the discussion itself but do have to share my two cents since tomorrow is the last day to receive something (ANYTHING) from them and I haven't heard anything so far.

Let's not speculate about the GA versus Airline since a SELECTION should take place to see if a/any candidate is a match for the position according to their specific qualities that they seek for in a candidate. IF they really would have preferred GA pilots over airline pilots by default like some are trying to make it sound like here, then they could have easily put that in their advertisement for the job as a hard criteria. However, as a pure airline experienced pilot I was able to apply without not matching a single criteria listed on their website so that is not the case: obviously I belong to their target group. Now, in this case I expect myself to be fully eligible for the job for at least the first round so I should be further assessed as an individual (or rejected because they have found better candidates). In the meantime I would like to be treated with respect and receive any sign of appreciation instead of holding me in the dark. I will probably be one of the persons receiving one of the mass emails that will probably be sent tomorrow with "thank your for interest but unfortunately...." which is not even a big deal but the hold-off until the very last moment possible is.

Wish better times for all you guys. Take care.

TheFatViking 8th October 2021 11:53

Hey guys, has anybody gotten any answer today at all? From either the interview or a PFO without any invitation to the online assessment?

G-GOLF 8th October 2021 13:24

Heard nothing more since the initial online test which comes immediately after applying….
Standing by for the PFO mail …..

MostAnnoying 8th October 2021 15:07

Just got a mail stating due to the amount of applications it may take a while to get back to me. No PFO, so still in the running (?) I guess

Winged Lion 8th October 2021 15:13


Originally Posted by MostAnnoying (Post 11123286)
Just got a mail stating due to the amount of applications it may take a while to get back to me. No PFO, so still in the running (?) I guess

My guess at this point is that we are kind of in a standby position. Ah well. At least they held their word and actually respected their deadline.

jmvdb22 8th October 2021 15:31


Originally Posted by Winged Lion (Post 11123289)
My guess at this point is that we are kind of in a standby position. Ah well. At least they held their word and actually respected their deadline.

Yeah, I guess by how this email was written no-one is "PFO'ed" yet?

nicoli 8th October 2021 17:15

The “Best wishes” at the end of the email does looks like a polite PFO email

EatMyShorts! 8th October 2021 19:06

Please note that this first step has been outsourced, so it's not Netjets people replying to you, most likely.

GoatriderClassic 8th October 2021 19:23


Originally Posted by MostAnnoying (Post 11123286)
Just got a mail stating due to the amount of applications it may take a while to get back to me. No PFO, so still in the running (?) I guess

I recieved the same email earlier today.
Lets hope for the best, fingers crossed guys! 🤞🏻

Airbu 8th October 2021 20:03


Originally Posted by pifpafpouf (Post 11122415)
1 is the initial with the 2 essay questions
2 is the CUT-E type assessment
3 is online Zoom Interview (running from 5-12 oct in my batch at least)
4 is simulator/face-2-face interview (25-31 oct in farnborough)

they put it into phases but that’s the way it goes


Is there a way to practice for this CUT-E type assessment?

Airbu 8th October 2021 20:38


Originally Posted by pifpafpouf (Post 11122350)
Went through interview today,

all I can say is that it’s non technical / focus on who you are, why you want to join, and what makes your profile fit.

you’re asked to confirm your documents (licenses. Endorsements, flight time) but that’s only Q&A, guess the document check is done once at farnborough.

interviews are running until the 12th so not expecting an answer before that, Sim+ face 2 face interview held last week of the month in U.K

good luck to all


Any hint of how to prepare for the CUT-E assessment?

PontiusPilotus 9th October 2021 04:37


Originally Posted by Joe le Taxi (Post 11122702)
Yes, the question inevitably asked will be " how come, after 8000 hours of purely airline flying, have you now deigned to apply for private ops"?

EMS, a personal opinion, but one formed over 15 years of private and 20 years of airline flying, so it has some foundation. It does get my hackles up when I see posts from airline pilots who feel superior by default, and how dare they not get an interview. Not here necessarily, but it is common.

Now imagine a tour with an airline pilot with 8000+ hours on the RHS and a GA experienced pilot on the LHS in a phenom 100. If the CRM skills are not top notch and a discussion like this comes up, I can only wish the outcome will be safe

balboa1968 9th October 2021 13:16


Originally Posted by EatMyShorts! (Post 11123379)
Please note that this first step has been outsourced, so it's not Netjets people replying to you, most likely.

That is the problem. Your destiny is in the hands of morons , whom have no idea what Aviation is ! I cannot understand , why an airline is spending money with this kind of bull!!!! ? CUT-E test ?? WTF ??? Are we professional pilots or some High School students ? I cannot find any decent industry , where professionals are treated like this ! We are paying the dule for letting the beancounters ( and other parasites )to be in charge .

nafta 9th October 2021 15:32

Netherlands gateway
 
Apologies for total off topic, but I see some members here are part of the Netjets family.
Would any one of you guys be able to share salary tax numbers for AMS gateway please? Non-resident/resident?
Many thanks

Banana Joe 9th October 2021 16:25

Unfortunately it seems to be an EASA requirement now. I've had to do the same for a part time FI job at my former flight school.

Lubitz passed the DLR but he still did what he did.

Winged Lion 9th October 2021 17:02


Originally Posted by nafta (Post 11123748)
Apologies for total off topic, but I see some members here are part of the Netjets family.
Would any one of you guys be able to share salary tax numbers for AMS gateway please? Non-resident/resident?
Many thanks

I do not think you have to account for that, it seems like they state aft-tax figures whichever the country.

balboa1968 9th October 2021 17:32


Originally Posted by Banana Joe (Post 11123772)
Unfortunately it seems to be an EASA requirement now. I've had to do the same for a part time FI job at my former flight school.

Lubitz passed the DLR but he still did what he did.

This proves it is a perfect bull!!!!, just there to make money for some parasites.

Space1978 10th October 2021 09:31

How do pilots pay their taxes? Are they paid directly by netjets or do you declare your income in your tax residence country?

funkydreadlocks 10th October 2021 15:30

I hate psychometric tests, they feel useless and for a long time I thought they were. But Science says differently. and I'm not always a fan of companies outsourcing the initial recruitment process (I had a terrible experience with CTC now L3 doing just that), but it's a stretch to say that Kura know nothing about aviation. They are human factors experts and have an entire department dedicated to recruitment for the aviation indunstry, staffed by current airline pilots and similar folks.
It's an unfortunate part of the process. We just have to jump through the hoops and suck it up.

Globally Challenged 10th October 2021 16:27


Originally Posted by Winged Lion (Post 11123797)
I do not think you have to account for that, it seems like they state aft-tax figures whichever the country.

Not true. Currently you are either on a UK contract or Portuguese (only for those actually based there I think). The figures quoted are pre-tax.

Each country seems to be a bit different. I can only speak about UK bases but our per-diems are now mostly taxed which is obviously annoying.

So it comes down to the double taxation rules between the UK and your gateway.

It’s a hot topic with the union right now and I suspect EU contracts are on the horizon finally as I think it will be mandated by law soon.

Our Dutch and Danish colleagues are particularly badly hit by this currently.

pifpafpouf 10th October 2021 20:03


Originally Posted by EPR SET (Post 11124026)
Hi pifpafpouf, how long in advance did they invite you for the Online Interview? Thanks.

I got the email on oct 1st to pick interview date on a 4-12th. I think all dates are on the Kura FAQ.


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