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Originally Posted by Winged Lion (Post 11134013)

Just received an email that the application is still under review. They will continue with the hiring process even going in to next year (2022). Good luck all.

They already increased the number of pilot vacancies once to 110 (if I recall correctly) and given how undercrewed and busy we are, I wouldn’t be surprised if it extends again.

Best of luck to all who apply.

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Originally Posted by Winged Lion (Post 11134013)

Just received an email that the application is still under review. They will continue with the hiring process even going in to next year (2022). Good luck all.

Yeah received the same, good that they're at least letting us know we're not (yet) on the PFO pile

Globally Challenged, you're right. 110 (and it may go higher depending if deliveries come forward). 20 cabin crew (and maybe more).

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Originally Posted by pifpafpouf (Post 11133416)

I won’t disclose what makes the core of the selection, to preserve the hard work they have put in designing it, and I didn’t pass through day 1, but here is the summary of day 1 :

- Covid test at entrance unless you have already the results of your international arrival (only about 10-15min)
- gathering in the main lobby until everyone has arrived

-15-20 min welcome presentation with the recruitment staff (Kura & Netjets), you’re expected to give a 30 sec- 1min self presentation at start). Nothing really interesting, they should work on that, all info you’ll be provided with are public and all of you will know already through self preparation.

- you’ll be split into 2 groups, one group will go for group exercise while the others go for individual interview in front of 2 members of recruitment team.

Questions related to your own experience (tailored so to say), seems to me they have been through the zoom interview before. It’s going to be the same type of questions, focusing on your motivations, experience and expectations. No competency based examples to provide (at least for me). Document check and validation. Expect 1h to 1h15.

You’ll be then sent back to lobby. Lot of people around and most probably some lurkers, but they make themselves blended in the general operations of a training center.
A NJE captain joined us for about 30 mins providing a lot more details and experience.

- Group exercise : I won’t give the exercises out, just provide you the guidelines they will also give you, and my own assessment of it.

You will have 4 exercises of 10 min each, with 5 min gap to present the solution and get the scenario for the next exercise.
each one of you will be the “captain” for one scenario, with the others being “crew-members”.
One member of the interview panel will play the role of the customer/owner, another one is available (only once per scenario) playing ATC or OPS member.

key points :
- Don’t assume the ATC/OPS to provide assistance out of their “real life” competency, if you ask the wrong question you will get a “I don’t know captain” 😁
- Don’t assume the owner/client to be of any help, if you ask a question like you would to a regular “pax”, you’ll probably end up with an irritated/unhelpful/pressuring answer 😁

Personal feedback :

- Be decisive : as the captain, you’re on your own, don’t let the other guys drag you out of the primary target : provide a solution , it’s only 10 mins, it goes fast. If someone goes extensively on something you think is pointless, interrupt them, in a nice way, but be firm, you have to provide a solution, not bs chit-chat.

- Really think outside the box, it’s corporate, not airline. Unless the safety is compromised, your mindset should be that “yes, it’s possible”, assess if you can give the green light or need escalation to ops, assess if the costs of tailoring the solution are realistic, then make it happen.

- Don’t go to the client unless you already have a solution you need his approval for, or really need the input to make a decision.
- you can communicate with the client multiple times, but I wouldn’t go more than twice at most ( input needed/ call to ops-ATC/ confirmed solution).

Like I mentioned, I didn’t make it through day 1, they will give a you a feedback on why, which is rare enough to be mentioned.

edit: to avoid replying to all the messages I received individually, I was not 100% enthusiastic about the position, and made it clear that I had other options and wanted to be sure it was the right job for me, before committing for the role (if you really really want the job, be 110% enthusiastic, I guess 😉 ).

side : I don’t know if it’s going to happen to all groups, but we were told early day 1 that there would be only 6 simulator slots avail on day 2 (out of 8 candidates), adds some steam right 😂

good luck

An edit : Many of us have been unemployed or not flying for quite some time and I won’t question individuals habits while not using privileges and restrictions related to a class 1 medical and licence. I do know that alcohol usage is widespread in the industry thus the feedback I will provide :
Just want to make you aware that the drug&alcohol check being processed during day 2 is hair follicle based (the most expensive and accurate testing available) and WILL show a drug usage and/or alcohol abuse that can have happened over the last months. I would suspect an AOC holder has to report to the authority in case of a positive result, regardless of your obvious blacklisting with the company.

If you question yourself, I can only recommend going through a testing by the same method (expect anywhere in excess of 250$ for these) before showing up.

Pifpafpouf, sorry to hear that you did not go all the way. Although it may be that it was a good thing for you in don’t feel 100% committed to NJ. Thank you very much for sharing your experience!

Would be very interesting to hear about the second day from someone who has been through it.

cheers!

Hi redsnail, thx for your information.
What A/C´s are the unattended fleet?
Do the pilots on the unattended fleet serve food and drinks to the pax during the flight?

Phenom 300, Citation XLS and Citation Latitude are unattended fleets. Challenger 350, Falcon 2000EX EASy and the Globals are attended fleets. The Challengers 650 (due to arrive in 2022) will also have cabin crew.

On unattended fleets, pilots usually explain to the passengers where they can find their food and what has been loaded for them. On some occasions they will also help serving food, it all depends on the circumstances.

EatMyShorts! Thanks!

Has anyone didn't receive any email/update since 8th October?

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Originally Posted by Sky95 (Post 11135952)

Has anyone didn't receive any email/update since 8th October?

I received an update on the 29th stating my application is still under review and recruitment will be ongoing into the new year as well

Can someone from netjets help me with a question? I saw that i can choose Basel as a gateway, but was told that it has to be the swiss side, now my question is: can you live in france and still have basel as gateway or do you have to live in switzerland? If we have to live in switzerland does that mean we have to pay the taxes there as well?! Many thanks for your help!!!

EDIT: see my reply to aless85.

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Originally Posted by EatMyShorts! (Post 11136653)

The tax and social security has to be paid based on where your main gateway is. For Basel that would be Switzerland. You also need to have a residence address in that country.

Hi , just one doubt regarding this.

Mainland EU gateways except Portugal have a UK contract, so on your payslip you would pay XX% of NI and 0% of PAYE or some XX% of PAYE.??

I understand tax is based on your country of fiscal residence but paying NI and SS in 2 countries?

Sorry im a bit confused if you can elaborate a bit more in detail.

Thank you :)

I am sorry, I miswrote!

for those not on a PT contract and those who are not living in the UK, tax is paid in Portugal at a certain percentage
in most EU countries employees only pay national social security fees and a small amount of additional national tax on top of the PT-tax
in some EU countries, employees only pay national social security fees and no further tax

Regarding the question by joeporto: you definitely pay your social security in the country where your gateway is defined. Additional tax depends on the country you are based in. Basel and Geneva are special cases, as they are bi-national airports. Bottom line: you cannot be based in France, so you'll need to have an address in Switzerland to use Basel or Geneva. Therefore you also pay your social security in Switzerland.

Hey EMS,

When on the subject of social security contributions...does NJE have in countries where the gateways are contract with some local payroll companies who perform payment towards the social security contributions or is it the responsibility of the employee?

Thx...

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Originally Posted by joeporto (Post 11136642)

Unless things have changed joeporto, you can live in France, Germany or Switzerland when having Basel as your gateway... no need to have a Swiss address...

You'll pay your social security contributions in Switzerland and tax in Portugal (+ a possible delta of tax in the country you live in, depending on the rules of that country, your partner's earnings in that country... this can get quite complex on the tax' sides of thing, depending on your status).

Anyone else able to share more info on the day 1 and 2 assessments?

I would strongly suggest getting a tax adviser in your country who is familiar with said issues. I am sure everybody can afford one on a NJE salary.

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Originally Posted by wondering (Post 11137214)

I would strongly suggest getting a tax adviser in your country who is familiar with said issues. I am sure everybody can afford one on a NJE salary.

Never needed one. As written: you will definitely pay social security in the country of your gateway. In 99% of cases that will also be the place that you are living at, but in some places your gateway is in a different country than your place of living.
Income tax, on the other hand, is another story, some countries accept the PT-tax and do not ask for further "donations", in others you'll have to pay on top of it (Scandinavia, Spain etc.). We do have colleagues from lots of countries and once you get hired you should be able to connect with them and find out. Of course, if you are keen to find out before getting hired, go and ask an international tax adviser! Let me be clear: when you come to Netjets, you should do so for the lifestyle, not for the money. You can make MUCH more money in other places, primarily in "private gigs", but without the same degree of job security.

Hello, does anyone know if newly employed pilots can select their gateway and, therefore residence, in mainland Europe if they are a British passport holder only? thanks

Good question, you can do temporary gateway changes. Just watch the 90/180 day thing... As for the legalities of permanently moving to Europe on a British passport it's a different thing as you've probably worked out. The UK gov.uk site only talked about those who had moved before Jan 01, 2021.

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Originally Posted by redsnail (Post 11138607)

you can do temporary gateway changes.

For new joiners, there is gateway lock for a year.

Ok thanks. It's been a while since I was a new joiner :) To be fair, that year will go by pretty quickly.

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Originally Posted by redsnail (Post 11138679)

Ok thanks. It's been a while since I was a new joiner :) To be fair, that year will go by pretty quickly.

no worries! :)

Anyway, I don’t find this lock annoying. It even makes sense as the company is counting on your presence on this specific gateway. Looking forward to reaching that year and hopefully get ELLX, even temporary!

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Originally Posted by redsnail (Post 11138679)

Ok thanks. It's been a while since I was a new joiner :) To be fair, that year will go by pretty quickly.

Probably in about a year.

Any news of another stage 3? Anyone is doing stage 1 or 2 at the moment?

So I can get a feel for how operations work in NJ, obviously, safety permitting, whatever the owner wants, you'll endeavour to do. That said how does it work if you were to scheduled to operate a 4 sector day, the first 2 sectors with one owner and the 2nd with another (assuming that's how it works), the first owner wants to return to departure aerodrome midway through the 1st sector because they forgot an important item or whatever reason, it doesn't matter - so, you turn back? Is it a case of essentially saying, absolutely no problem sir/madam and co-ordinating with ops to deal with the consequences for the second owner?

It may seem like a odd question but it's all well and good doing what one owner wants, but at the detriment of another owner? Or is that for ops to decide?

Thanks.

I have just been invited to an online interview and have set a date. I was sent an email a few days earlier saying I was in the holding pool and they would continue processing into the new year so I guess its ongoing. I haven't done any psychometrics yet so I guess that's next, then the in-person stuff.

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Originally Posted by KruegerFlappage (Post 11139985)

impossible to answer that generally. Normally if the passenger wishes to return and it's doable it will be done. If someone forgot his passport for example you can't really deny this request because the outcome at the next destination might be worse than the returning and relanding. But that all depends on various factors such as MLW, Weather, duty times, opening hours of the aerodrome,etc. After landing you would normally call the company and ask them what to do. The bigger the company is the better the options for the remaining missions. New crew, new aircraft and reschedule, etc is all possible.

You check your MLW ,you duty limitations,your fatigue level, speak to your colleague about his. Then pick up the phone and call the company....they do the rest

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Originally Posted by KruegerFlappage (Post 11139985)

Hi,
Can anyone share some feedback about the assesment in Farnborough, day 1 and day2?
Can you confirm whether the starting basic salary of 58k Eur per year is gross or net?

I think being able to scroll back and read old posts is a highly appreciated skill 😉

QUOTE=Enzino Inthesky;11140639]Hi,
Can anyone share some feedback about the assesment in Farnborough, day 1 and day2?
Can you confirm whether the starting basic salary of 58k Eur per year is gross or net?[/QUOTE]

Forgive me if this already mentioned above (I tried searching for it unsuccessfully), but is there a bond on the type rating for new joiners? Anyone know the bond terms roughly?

Cheers!

There have been bonds in the past. The terms were reasonable and reduced over time. What will be offered now, I don't know.

Hi guys,

Anyone here attending the 3rd stage in Farnborough on the 24th of November 2021? dm me pls.

Good luck to all.

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New Joiners salary

Hi. Can anyone confirm what is the NET monthly salary for a new joiner whose gateway will be VIE or anyway Europe? I read about the 58.5K per year plus per diem plus bonuses. Gross?

Hi everyone,

this thread is a wealth of information - thanks to all NJE pilots who shared some insights.

I was wondering what kind of contract would you get when you select a german gateway? UK? Portuguese? Local german?

Would be great to get some info 👍🏻

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Originally Posted by Enzino Inthesky (Post 11143393)

Hi. Can anyone confirm what is the NET monthly salary for a new joiner whose gateway will be VIE or anyway Europe? I read about the 58.5K per year plus per diem plus bonuses. Gross?

Depends on the social security contributions and local tax rules in your country but circa 3500e basic plus about 1000e in per diems so about 4500e NET/month. Bonus is paid once a year in Feb based on your flying hours the previous year so it's difficult to say.

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Originally Posted by Parkbremse (Post 11143437)

All gateways get UK contracts except for Portugal based crew that get Portuguese contracts.

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Originally Posted by higsow (Post 11143475)

Yikes, not ideal for UK based crew. Still, if you're in for the money, then NJ isn't right for you.

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Originally Posted by higsow (Post 11143477)

All gateways get UK contracts except for Portugal based crew that get Portuguese contracts.

Ok if I get this correctly, with a german gateway you are considered to be a tax resident in germany under the UK-German DTA and will pay taxes only in germany and arrange Tax Code NT with HMRC in the UK. Social Security will be payed in the country where you are based, so for what its worth you pay taxes and social security like any other german employee. Does this sound right?