NETJETS Europe hiring again
PPRuNe Handmaiden
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From: Duit On Mon Dei
Hi TGA,
The hour requirement in NetJets Europe of 1500 hours is a slightly more complicated than that. Eg, if you did 1500 hours only in a small piston Cessna, that would not make you competitive. The hour requirements mean that you should have an ATPL. That is, you are qualified to hold a command in a multi pilot aircraft. (Yes, the actual hours required for that are closer to 3000 in reality). In what aircraft type you get those hours is not important, ideally, they should be on a multi pilot aircraft, eg A320, B787, C680, Dash 8 etc.
I don't know what the hour requirements are to join Vistajet or Flexjet. Ok just checked, Vistajet require 2500 hours.
Many of our new hire pilots have come from Ryanair. They do take cadet pilots but the T&Cs aren't brilliant. They get approximately 800-900 hours a year versus someone flying a Cessna Excel possibly getting 200 hours a year. Guess who will get the experience required to join a bigger bizjet outfit? Also, don't ignore the rigorous SOPs (standard operating procedures) that the airlines bring. The Customer focus aspect in a smaller bizjet company is good, but if you're personal operating standards is non existent, you'll struggle (initially) in the bigger companies.
Contacting the Director of Flight Operations may help with smaller companies. The difficulty is access. If they are located on an airport, just getting through security can be practically impossible unless they know you're coming. Always remember, the DFO is usually very busy, so if you don't hear from them, there's probably a good reason.
How to join "X" after gaining your CPL.
0. Get the best grades and passes you can but don't be an annoying person.
1. Get a flying job. Yep, that's the challenge. Don't be an annoying person.
2. If the first job won't get you the experience you need, eg, multi pilot turbine etc. Apply to as many as you can. Here's where not being annoying can help.
3. Keep an eye on recruitment windows. With NetJets Europe, that's through Kura on LinkedIn.
What do I mean by not being annoying? Think about the person you have to be with for 6 days. Do you want them to be irritating, annoying, miserable, whining? Or do you want someone who enjoys the challenge (whatever it may be), keen to learn, turns up prepared, knows when to speak up and knows when to chill, proactive and helps out. Be that person.
The hour requirement in NetJets Europe of 1500 hours is a slightly more complicated than that. Eg, if you did 1500 hours only in a small piston Cessna, that would not make you competitive. The hour requirements mean that you should have an ATPL. That is, you are qualified to hold a command in a multi pilot aircraft. (Yes, the actual hours required for that are closer to 3000 in reality). In what aircraft type you get those hours is not important, ideally, they should be on a multi pilot aircraft, eg A320, B787, C680, Dash 8 etc.
I don't know what the hour requirements are to join Vistajet or Flexjet. Ok just checked, Vistajet require 2500 hours.
Many of our new hire pilots have come from Ryanair. They do take cadet pilots but the T&Cs aren't brilliant. They get approximately 800-900 hours a year versus someone flying a Cessna Excel possibly getting 200 hours a year. Guess who will get the experience required to join a bigger bizjet outfit? Also, don't ignore the rigorous SOPs (standard operating procedures) that the airlines bring. The Customer focus aspect in a smaller bizjet company is good, but if you're personal operating standards is non existent, you'll struggle (initially) in the bigger companies.
Contacting the Director of Flight Operations may help with smaller companies. The difficulty is access. If they are located on an airport, just getting through security can be practically impossible unless they know you're coming. Always remember, the DFO is usually very busy, so if you don't hear from them, there's probably a good reason.
How to join "X" after gaining your CPL.
0. Get the best grades and passes you can but don't be an annoying person.
1. Get a flying job. Yep, that's the challenge. Don't be an annoying person.
2. If the first job won't get you the experience you need, eg, multi pilot turbine etc. Apply to as many as you can. Here's where not being annoying can help.
3. Keep an eye on recruitment windows. With NetJets Europe, that's through Kura on LinkedIn.
What do I mean by not being annoying? Think about the person you have to be with for 6 days. Do you want them to be irritating, annoying, miserable, whining? Or do you want someone who enjoys the challenge (whatever it may be), keen to learn, turns up prepared, knows when to speak up and knows when to chill, proactive and helps out. Be that person.
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From: Greece
Hi Redsnail,
What I understand from your message. You advice joining an airline initially as a cadet, this mostly because you will gather flight hours quickly on a big multipilot aircraft, and in addition, learn to abide by strict SOPs?
By approaching companies I meant mostly over mail or phone, not physically (I prefer not to take breaks during integrated course to visit companies), and then inquiring if they can provide more information on how to become eligible (i.e. more competitive a candidate). Or in other words, what is their opinion of the most effective pathway to their company.
I ask here mostly because the last thing I want to do is regarded as “annoying” before I can even seriously apply for a position (with the benefit of possibly building up a line of communication with said company).
My course should finish around 2025 Q3, so that I have plenty of time before then. Luckily, I think, my flight school emphasises a lot on building soft skills. (in their words, almost everyone can learn how to become a pilot, but few learn to become aviators).
If you have any tips for me specifically in that regard PLEASE do sent me a PM. Again thank you for all the (to me) invaluable information.
Cheers TGA
PS. I hear from a lot of recently graduated pilots here that they do end up at ryanair, wizzair and also a few at easyjet.
What I understand from your message. You advice joining an airline initially as a cadet, this mostly because you will gather flight hours quickly on a big multipilot aircraft, and in addition, learn to abide by strict SOPs?
By approaching companies I meant mostly over mail or phone, not physically (I prefer not to take breaks during integrated course to visit companies), and then inquiring if they can provide more information on how to become eligible (i.e. more competitive a candidate). Or in other words, what is their opinion of the most effective pathway to their company.
I ask here mostly because the last thing I want to do is regarded as “annoying” before I can even seriously apply for a position (with the benefit of possibly building up a line of communication with said company).
My course should finish around 2025 Q3, so that I have plenty of time before then. Luckily, I think, my flight school emphasises a lot on building soft skills. (in their words, almost everyone can learn how to become a pilot, but few learn to become aviators).
If you have any tips for me specifically in that regard PLEASE do sent me a PM. Again thank you for all the (to me) invaluable information.
Cheers TGA
PS. I hear from a lot of recently graduated pilots here that they do end up at ryanair, wizzair and also a few at easyjet.
Joined: Mar 2024
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From: Greece
Redsnail,
I went on a hunt through ryanair’s career section after your message. It seems they are also looking for pilot on the learjet 45, both first officers and captains. What are your thoughts on switching to a learjet for ryan air after the hour requirement they list for applying for an FO learjet position(NTR: 500 on multicrew, ME, in commercial ops, TR: 500TT, 100 on type), and completing my 1500 hours on one of those. Would you get the benefit of both worlds there so to say? (Both good T&C, and strict SOPs while flying a bizjet?)
Many thanks,
TGA
I went on a hunt through ryanair’s career section after your message. It seems they are also looking for pilot on the learjet 45, both first officers and captains. What are your thoughts on switching to a learjet for ryan air after the hour requirement they list for applying for an FO learjet position(NTR: 500 on multicrew, ME, in commercial ops, TR: 500TT, 100 on type), and completing my 1500 hours on one of those. Would you get the benefit of both worlds there so to say? (Both good T&C, and strict SOPs while flying a bizjet?)
Many thanks,
TGA
Joined: Oct 2016
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From: Cologne, Germany
Expect 2 group exercises on Day 1, if you are successful, you'll have Panel Interview, SIM, drug test and document check on Day 2. Both days are nicely organized.
One day later you will receive call/email from KURA whether you passed or not. I was lucky enough and I can't wait to start my career in NetJets.
Good luck everyone.
One day later you will receive call/email from KURA whether you passed or not. I was lucky enough and I can't wait to start my career in NetJets.
Good luck everyone.
Last edited by bamzwerg; 9th March 2024 at 18:05.
Joined: Oct 2016
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From: Cologne, Germany
Redsnail,
I went on a hunt through ryanair’s career section after your message. It seems they are also looking for pilot on the learjet 45, both first officers and captains. What are your thoughts on switching to a learjet for ryan air after the hour requirement they list for applying for an FO learjet position(NTR: 500 on multicrew, ME, in commercial ops, TR: 500TT, 100 on type), and completing my 1500 hours on one of those. Would you get the benefit of both worlds there so to say? (Both good T&C, and strict SOPs while flying a bizjet?)
Many thanks,
TGA
I went on a hunt through ryanair’s career section after your message. It seems they are also looking for pilot on the learjet 45, both first officers and captains. What are your thoughts on switching to a learjet for ryan air after the hour requirement they list for applying for an FO learjet position(NTR: 500 on multicrew, ME, in commercial ops, TR: 500TT, 100 on type), and completing my 1500 hours on one of those. Would you get the benefit of both worlds there so to say? (Both good T&C, and strict SOPs while flying a bizjet?)
Many thanks,
TGA
You will fly very little hours and are always on standby. They fly spare parts with those learjets. So you will only fly to the Ryanair Airports, you won't have any VIP Passenger experience. This job is not good to boost your career and flight hours. I don't think - apart from the (old) rating - it will give you any advantage over flying the 737 and get hours faster.
Last edited by bamzwerg; 9th March 2024 at 18:04.
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From: Cologne, Germany
Agreed. I didn't hear many good things about Wizz. Payment, working times, roster - all disaster.
Ryan is doing much better as long as you fly or have a fix working contract with them.
Ryan is doing much better as long as you fly
or have a fix working contract with them.Last edited by bamzwerg; 9th March 2024 at 18:03.
PPRuNe Handmaiden
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From: Duit On Mon Dei
I would get my ATPL (1500 hours etc) on an airline type aircraft, eg if with Ryanair, a B737. What do they use the Lear for? Crew transport or VVIP transport? If it's only crew transport, you may as well fly the B737 and amass the hours.
However, I am not in recruitment.
BTW - we no longer use the term soft skills. It's now known as non-techs or no-techs. (technical).
Good luck with emailing the various companies, but as I have said in earlier posts, you may not hear from them as they are really busy people.
Really, for now, focus on your studies. You've got enough to do.
However, I am not in recruitment.
BTW - we no longer use the term soft skills. It's now known as non-techs or no-techs. (technical).
Good luck with emailing the various companies, but as I have said in earlier posts, you may not hear from them as they are really busy people.
Really, for now, focus on your studies. You've got enough to do.
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From: Greece
I would get my ATPL (1500 hours etc) on an airline type aircraft, eg if with Ryanair, a B737. What do they use the Lear for? Crew transport or VVIP transport? If it's only crew transport, you may as well fly the B737 and amass the hours.
However, I am not in recruitment.
BTW - we no longer use the term soft skills. It's now known as non-techs or no-techs. (technical).
Good luck with emailing the various companies, but as I have said in earlier posts, you may not hear from them as they are really busy people.
Really, for now, focus on your studies. You've got enough to do.
However, I am not in recruitment.
BTW - we no longer use the term soft skills. It's now known as non-techs or no-techs. (technical).
Good luck with emailing the various companies, but as I have said in earlier posts, you may not hear from them as they are really busy people.
Really, for now, focus on your studies. You've got enough to do.
Cheers,
TGA
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From: France
Good day to all of you ! Anyone going to next session of stage 3 in April ? Willing to prepare the selection process gathering info helping to be ready on that session. Fell free to share on the forum or by PM. Safe flights !
looking for information
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