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no Flintstone..
just followed the news..
not the type of outfit I would apply to work for..
got to make a living..
no time to waste applying for a job with "dreamers"...
not the type of outfit I would apply to work for..
got to make a living..
no time to waste applying for a job with "dreamers"...
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Ahhhh, I get it. One of the types described in 'Eye Off The Ball's' last paragraph.
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..."dreamers"...
Like others here I'm also not impressed by those feigning knowledge who are a little too quick to rubbish others without the benefit of any facts. In these times we simply don't need it.
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and no, Flintstone..
I am in the lucky position to have a good job..and I value that, I am not the arrogant type..
And it hurts me to see a lot of excellent professionals out of a job because of these dire straits today..
It also hurts to watch that a lot of these excellent pros, temporarily out of a job, not by their own doing, have to travel wide and far, spend a lot of money and the have to endure "job interviews"with all kinds of clowns that do not know the front from the rearend of an airplane..
'nough said??
And it hurts me to see a lot of excellent professionals out of a job because of these dire straits today..
It also hurts to watch that a lot of these excellent pros, temporarily out of a job, not by their own doing, have to travel wide and far, spend a lot of money and the have to endure "job interviews"with all kinds of clowns that do not know the front from the rearend of an airplane..
'nough said??
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You're making some hefty assumptions there, all based upon the fact that JR downplayed the range and used the list price on their website. A huge reach on your part if you'll excuse me for saying so.
No, I don't like to see people out of work or having to travel for interviews but JR are not to be confused with the shysters we often see. They might not be perfect but the level of investment should be a clue as to their level of seriousness.
No, I don't like to see people out of work or having to travel for interviews but JR are not to be confused with the shysters we often see. They might not be perfect but the level of investment should be a clue as to their level of seriousness.
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hope you are right
Flintstone..
I would not though give a lot of weight on the "level of investment"....
who invested, and how much has been downpayed by now...??? in regards to deliveries etc etc etc..
that does not say a thing nowadays..
and would not know of ANY bank that will finance, I do not know how many, 100+ bizjets....without, well, ....
do you know ANY bank today, that will finance a billion + in fractional planes???????????
Net Jets is surviving because they have Mr. Buffett with looots of cash as a backer..and Net Jets do know how to make business, and even they bleed hard..( just look at all the sportscar dealers in NYC and NJ..lots of expensive used cars for sale there...and looots of Net Jets shares for sale too...)
looks pretty unreal to me..
I mean I dont know, do JR have ONE PLANE in operation by now??
Please give me the news...
other than that looks like a Potemkin village to me..
too long in the biz by now, am steering by gutfeeling in regards to a lot of new outfits, and my gutfeeling has yet to mislead me...
No, I don't like to see people out of work or having to travel for interviews but JR are not to be confused with the shysters we often see. They might not be perfect but the level of investment should be a clue as to their level of seriousness
who invested, and how much has been downpayed by now...??? in regards to deliveries etc etc etc..
that does not say a thing nowadays..
and would not know of ANY bank that will finance, I do not know how many, 100+ bizjets....without, well, ....
do you know ANY bank today, that will finance a billion + in fractional planes???????????
Net Jets is surviving because they have Mr. Buffett with looots of cash as a backer..and Net Jets do know how to make business, and even they bleed hard..( just look at all the sportscar dealers in NYC and NJ..lots of expensive used cars for sale there...and looots of Net Jets shares for sale too...)
looks pretty unreal to me..
I mean I dont know, do JR have ONE PLANE in operation by now??
Please give me the news...
other than that looks like a Potemkin village to me..
too long in the biz by now, am steering by gutfeeling in regards to a lot of new outfits, and my gutfeeling has yet to mislead me...
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You really have a downer on them, don't you? I'd recommend a bit more homework before announcing them dead in the water.
If I were in their position I'd have slowed down too. Why take delivery when by easing off you can take advantage of desperate manufacturers, pick up cheaper (and experienced) crew, buy while everyone else is selling and do so toward the upturn rather than while everything is still heading downward?
Why rush to open in a shrinking market? Why hurry to acquire new aircraft when everyone else is doing a serious stocktake and at best just treading water? If you were as knowledgable as you claim you'd understand just how much cheaper it is to pour money down a drain without aircraft than with them. Yes, you still lose money but at a vastly slower rate and it's better to do that, monitor the market and time your entrance than shut up shop, lose your core staff and hope they'll be around in a year or so. Generally speaking it's those who become fixated on the minutiae that fail to grasp the realities of such things.
Feel free to repeat just how shonky they are and will spiral into oblivion because they didn't parrot Bombardier's range figures but I'd recommend a little research on those involved, their experience and backgrounds before claiming the mantle of Oracle.
If I were in their position I'd have slowed down too. Why take delivery when by easing off you can take advantage of desperate manufacturers, pick up cheaper (and experienced) crew, buy while everyone else is selling and do so toward the upturn rather than while everything is still heading downward?
Why rush to open in a shrinking market? Why hurry to acquire new aircraft when everyone else is doing a serious stocktake and at best just treading water? If you were as knowledgable as you claim you'd understand just how much cheaper it is to pour money down a drain without aircraft than with them. Yes, you still lose money but at a vastly slower rate and it's better to do that, monitor the market and time your entrance than shut up shop, lose your core staff and hope they'll be around in a year or so. Generally speaking it's those who become fixated on the minutiae that fail to grasp the realities of such things.
Feel free to repeat just how shonky they are and will spiral into oblivion because they didn't parrot Bombardier's range figures but I'd recommend a little research on those involved, their experience and backgrounds before claiming the mantle of Oracle.
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I don't claim
to be an oracle, Flintstone..
I even agree that most successful businesses have been initially built up during a downturn..
but not in a market filled with overcapacitiy to the hilt like the bizjet and fractional market as of now..
sorry, no way, and does not take any special knowledge to say that
1+1=2...and at the moment those bizjet ideas just dont add up, and will not add up for several years from now..
no way, Flintstone, that stuff is DOA for the time being...
I even agree that most successful businesses have been initially built up during a downturn..
but not in a market filled with overcapacitiy to the hilt like the bizjet and fractional market as of now..
sorry, no way, and does not take any special knowledge to say that
1+1=2...and at the moment those bizjet ideas just dont add up, and will not add up for several years from now..
no way, Flintstone, that stuff is DOA for the time being...
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They ask for 1500 hours (copilot)... I have more than 2000 with 1200 in Airline Jets... and they told me I dont have enough Flight hours...:-(
Its 1500 only in JETS??
Its 1500 only in JETS??
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I have not really looked into it that much but perhaps, to explain the high rejection rate people talk about here...
So far no aeroplane but a few to come. Not hundreds to begin with, meaning that if a dozen pilots is required, with the hundreds or thousands applying, chances to get rejected are probably around 99.9%.
When/if the expansion takes place, more people will get called and those initially not considered for whatever reason (their train set with its priorities), might get a call in the end. I wouldn't take it too personally and if this place is really where you want to work, chances are that one day you will. By then you will think it was worth the wait.
Of course I realise many are looking for jobs and places are not that many but because of the market state, I reckon it should be easier to accept. Sadly.
Good luck
So far no aeroplane but a few to come. Not hundreds to begin with, meaning that if a dozen pilots is required, with the hundreds or thousands applying, chances to get rejected are probably around 99.9%.
When/if the expansion takes place, more people will get called and those initially not considered for whatever reason (their train set with its priorities), might get a call in the end. I wouldn't take it too personally and if this place is really where you want to work, chances are that one day you will. By then you will think it was worth the wait.
Of course I realise many are looking for jobs and places are not that many but because of the market state, I reckon it should be easier to accept. Sadly.
Good luck
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Falconer.
You say you are basing your opinion on a gut feeling, a technique not really used much in aviation or business I think you'll find. If you've anything factual or constructive to contribute to the topic then I'm sure those among us trying to join the company would like to hear it. If you are just another doom and gloom monger well, we've plenty of those already thanks.
You say you are basing your opinion on a gut feeling, a technique not really used much in aviation or business I think you'll find. If you've anything factual or constructive to contribute to the topic then I'm sure those among us trying to join the company would like to hear it. If you are just another doom and gloom monger well, we've plenty of those already thanks.
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In a Telegraph Article it states that JR are putting fancy coffee machines in their 110 Learjets. I am a bit confused but how many aircraft do they actually own/operate as of today?
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Range on the LEAR60 itīs 2.800nm, being realistic top flying time itīs 6 hours including reserves, that let you with 2.300-2.400nm range on LRC speed, bla, bla...The LJ60 itīs a great aircraft, not made for airliners (10.000fpm climb, yep, you can? Vref 145knots, 1st year they are 1 day flying/1 week maintenance (bombardier after sales itīs ****), you need plenty of runway on hot days and more for braking.
If Iknow any client in the future who would fly on JR Iīm personally going to advise them f the low quality of people they have, The less clients they have the more I do, thatīs the real world.
If Iknow any client in the future who would fly on JR Iīm personally going to advise them f the low quality of people they have, The less clients they have the more I do, thatīs the real world.
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do you want a Captain who can pass a computer aptitude test or do you want to personally interview (ie one to one) someone with 10K+ hours world wide military and civil command experience? They chose the former. Possibly good for identifying future training risks on brand new wannabe pilots (having seen the end product I remain to be convinced) but not so appropriate for the experienced Captain?
If Iknow any client in the future who would fly on JR Iīm personally going to advise them f the low quality of people they have