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What are they looking for?
Check the inside back page of this weeks Flight International, which is an interview with Dave Simkin, chief instructor with JR.
"Basically, we're looking for pilots who have previously been trained and developed within an environment that has a structured training process and requires high standards. Essentially our pilots will come from the airlines or the military. In addition to this, the pilots have to have a real desire to make our operation second to none".
This, not suprisingly, reflects his military and airlines background.
If it were me, I would favour old gits who decided (in what turns out to have been a somewhat misguided decision) to have a mid-life complete career change into business aviation and are currently out of work.
"Basically, we're looking for pilots who have previously been trained and developed within an environment that has a structured training process and requires high standards. Essentially our pilots will come from the airlines or the military. In addition to this, the pilots have to have a real desire to make our operation second to none".
This, not suprisingly, reflects his military and airlines background.
If it were me, I would favour old gits who decided (in what turns out to have been a somewhat misguided decision) to have a mid-life complete career change into business aviation and are currently out of work.
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Also read the flight international back page, its quite clearly going to be an airline/mil "club". So not quite sure whether its going to be the place for me, I'm in the holding pool for an interview and currently gainfully employed.
NJE had the same mentality in the late 90's and it didn't really work out then the crews in the main were a little "wooden" in terms of the required GA flexibility you needed especially pre RVSM when slots were frequent and there was nobody else to go and tell the captain of industry he had an hours delay. Likewise the military training whilst producing great skills lacked the provision of GA skills which it took at the time to not only fly the aircraft but to operate it in a GA environment with all that entails. There was also an element of High Jinks and eliteness that invariably ended in tears and on more than one occasion broken aircraft
In time I'm sure the GA guys will get a look in - in reality a good mix with cross polination is whats required, they could also do wih realising that in most cases LPC's done on the aircraft are very much the exception more than the rule in GA nowadays .This thing that they have issue with i.e. "GA Training" is now very much different from what they percieve it to be.
If the chief instructor is an 777 airline guy I would just love to see them sat there with the other airline guy at FL480 when somebody puts a table away "enthusiastically"..........***BANG*** oooohhh Sh1t false alarm....eerrrrrrrr "Just testing the masks sir!!!!!!!!!"
Im sure they will realise they need an element of GA for a GA operation
NJE had the same mentality in the late 90's and it didn't really work out then the crews in the main were a little "wooden" in terms of the required GA flexibility you needed especially pre RVSM when slots were frequent and there was nobody else to go and tell the captain of industry he had an hours delay. Likewise the military training whilst producing great skills lacked the provision of GA skills which it took at the time to not only fly the aircraft but to operate it in a GA environment with all that entails. There was also an element of High Jinks and eliteness that invariably ended in tears and on more than one occasion broken aircraft
In time I'm sure the GA guys will get a look in - in reality a good mix with cross polination is whats required, they could also do wih realising that in most cases LPC's done on the aircraft are very much the exception more than the rule in GA nowadays .This thing that they have issue with i.e. "GA Training" is now very much different from what they percieve it to be.
If the chief instructor is an 777 airline guy I would just love to see them sat there with the other airline guy at FL480 when somebody puts a table away "enthusiastically"..........***BANG*** oooohhh Sh1t false alarm....eerrrrrrrr "Just testing the masks sir!!!!!!!!!"
Im sure they will realise they need an element of GA for a GA operation
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Commenting purely on the whole recruitment article here...
I read this and had a bit of a chuckle to myself, it clearly shows this guys background as well as his biase torwards one area of the industry rather than others.
The first thing I thought was just like G-Spot (and I'm only a year into flying corporate/GA) what will Ex Nigel do when he misses his slot and Ops dont exist? who is he going to call? what is he going to do?
Perhaps ex fastjet driver will be better prepared..but then he might become "target fixated" and end up in the same place as Nigel....up the creek without a paddle etc
As for high quality training, my opinion on Airline vs GA is that most of the training from both sides is of a similar quality, the only real difference being the individuals attitude..rather than anything else.
Overall, the guy has come across a little bit like a starstruck teenager IMHO
I read this and had a bit of a chuckle to myself, it clearly shows this guys background as well as his biase torwards one area of the industry rather than others.
The first thing I thought was just like G-Spot (and I'm only a year into flying corporate/GA) what will Ex Nigel do when he misses his slot and Ops dont exist? who is he going to call? what is he going to do?
Perhaps ex fastjet driver will be better prepared..but then he might become "target fixated" and end up in the same place as Nigel....up the creek without a paddle etc
As for high quality training, my opinion on Airline vs GA is that most of the training from both sides is of a similar quality, the only real difference being the individuals attitude..rather than anything else.
Overall, the guy has come across a little bit like a starstruck teenager IMHO
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In the same Flight is an article about NJE having to cut 60 000 work days from their 1000+ pilots; about 30% of their capacity.
It is a difficult time to be starting when business is so depressed.
It is a difficult time to be starting when business is so depressed.
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Ex-militaries get a pension, don´t they?
So one can hire them cheaper. Most Airliners from the regionals are underpaid as well, will find a regular LJ60 earning good money.
Look at Augsburg Airlines in Germany, there was a time where there were almost all Captains ex GAF drivers. Cheap to employ. SO they had their niche and the civilians were kept out...
I venture a guess and say that JR will have an ops.
Lets wait and see, but I don´t see JR becoming a major success, maybe I´m dead wrong....
So one can hire them cheaper. Most Airliners from the regionals are underpaid as well, will find a regular LJ60 earning good money.
Look at Augsburg Airlines in Germany, there was a time where there were almost all Captains ex GAF drivers. Cheap to employ. SO they had their niche and the civilians were kept out...
I venture a guess and say that JR will have an ops.
Lets wait and see, but I don´t see JR becoming a major success, maybe I´m dead wrong....
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Jet Republic cuts prices
Jet Republic cuts prices
Tuesday, 21st July 2009
Jet Republic, the business airline, yesterday said it will cut the price of its aircraft hire Jet Card by 14 per cent to €99,000 (£85,192). The business, which launched at the height of the financial downturn last September, said it was able to cut prices because it was in a position “to pass on newly negotiated prices from its suppliers”. The firm said the discount applies on purchases of two or more cards
Selling so fast that they've cut the prices even further!
They are charging €4000 for an hour, so if I want to fly from,say, EKCH to EDDF, and their first LJ60 has just arrived in LFMN....are they seriously going to ferry 2 hours for free, for a one hour flight at a price that doesn't cover its costs? And they can't put on another local charter jet as I want my Wifi and Nespresso on board.
Tuesday, 21st July 2009
Jet Republic, the business airline, yesterday said it will cut the price of its aircraft hire Jet Card by 14 per cent to €99,000 (£85,192). The business, which launched at the height of the financial downturn last September, said it was able to cut prices because it was in a position “to pass on newly negotiated prices from its suppliers”. The firm said the discount applies on purchases of two or more cards
Selling so fast that they've cut the prices even further!
They are charging €4000 for an hour, so if I want to fly from,say, EKCH to EDDF, and their first LJ60 has just arrived in LFMN....are they seriously going to ferry 2 hours for free, for a one hour flight at a price that doesn't cover its costs? And they can't put on another local charter jet as I want my Wifi and Nespresso on board.
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I received the e-mail. Positive answer. Telephone interview next week and assessment next month.
Currently flying A320, close to 2000 on type, more than 3000 total. No executive aviation experience.
That´s all.
Currently flying A320, close to 2000 on type, more than 3000 total. No executive aviation experience.
That´s all.
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Yesterday I heard that JR is calling for the interview some pilots of exFutura airline company. This company went to bankrupt a few months ago in Spain.
So the preference is being given to airline pilots this is the fact.
I can not understand, there is so many good charters airman with no job, most of them good professionals but they prefer airline people experience who never had contact with the passanger requirements or get it touch with the handling to coordinate a limosine for example...
So the preference is being given to airline pilots this is the fact.
I can not understand, there is so many good charters airman with no job, most of them good professionals but they prefer airline people experience who never had contact with the passanger requirements or get it touch with the handling to coordinate a limosine for example...
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Samca - Common! So arranging a limousine is difficult to do? This would be a reason to hire corporate pilots in favor of airline pilots? You have to come up with something better then that I'm afraid.
If JR wants airline pilots then who are we to judge this?
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If JR wants airline pilots then who are we to judge this?
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re price cuts
by my humble reckoning this is theri second price cut, before starting ops, and its about 24% off what they originally priced at.
24% discount on plan...thats going to blow the business model isnt it?
looks like we have a nje jr price war...... interesting times in portugal amongst the 'masters of the universe'....
24% discount on plan...thats going to blow the business model isnt it?
looks like we have a nje jr price war...... interesting times in portugal amongst the 'masters of the universe'....
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Where are they based Cuckoo Land
Stay well clear
With due respects they cannot come in to the market at present
However I wish them the best of luck against NJE
Where are they based Cuckoo Land
Stay well clear
With due respects they cannot come in to the market at present
However I wish them the best of luck against NJE
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You are so right but the reason they cannot come into the market is that there is no market to speak of at the moment.
A market is where suppliers come to sell their products at a fare price with a modest profit included and buyers come to buy those products.
At the moment there are some suppliers selling their products below cost and still the buyer wants a reduction on that price! There is no market. There is excess supply over demand so their business plan is seriously flawed. Anyone seriously considering giving up a job to join them needs their licence revoked on the grounds of mentally unsuitable to hold a professional licence.
You are so right but the reason they cannot come into the market is that there is no market to speak of at the moment.
A market is where suppliers come to sell their products at a fare price with a modest profit included and buyers come to buy those products.
At the moment there are some suppliers selling their products below cost and still the buyer wants a reduction on that price! There is no market. There is excess supply over demand so their business plan is seriously flawed. Anyone seriously considering giving up a job to join them needs their licence revoked on the grounds of mentally unsuitable to hold a professional licence.
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What are they looking for...
I made some calls to finally get through to the women doing the filtering on the applications at CTC on behalf of Jetrepublic. Despite the website saying "1500 minimum flying hours for first officer", what is actually being applied/wanted is minimum 1500 multi engine or jet hours.
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I´ve recieved this mail
Thank you for completing the Jet Republic online application form.
We are pleased to inform you that your application has now been received by the Selection Team for further review. We apologise for any confusion previously caused as we were experiencing some system errors and your application was placed on hold in error.
We will be in contact with you again in the near future regarding your application result.
Regards
Colin Rydon
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Has anybody recieved the same mail, what do you think??
I´m full ATPL JAA with 2000 TT and 800 jet time and type rated in c500/550/560.
Thank you for completing the Jet Republic online application form.
We are pleased to inform you that your application has now been received by the Selection Team for further review. We apologise for any confusion previously caused as we were experiencing some system errors and your application was placed on hold in error.
We will be in contact with you again in the near future regarding your application result.
Regards
Colin Rydon
Jet Republic
Has anybody recieved the same mail, what do you think??
I´m full ATPL JAA with 2000 TT and 800 jet time and type rated in c500/550/560.
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FT.com / Companies / Airlines - Jet Republic warned off ex-NetJets Europe staff
- Might explain why they're not hiring people!
A court injunction is preventing Jet Republic, the upstart business jet company, from hiring workers recently employed by its main rival NetJets Europe, owned by Warren Buffett's Berkshire Hathaway.
The injunction was granted by a Portuguese municipal court in July 2008 after Jet Republic was alleged to have poached two of NetJets' top management team, including a former UK director of finance, and approached others.
But its effect has been felt more keenly in recent weeks because the deteriorating economic climate has led NetJets Europe to arrange the voluntary redundancy of 87 staff members and reduced working hours for 300 others.
Jet Republic, which is hiring between five and ten new people each month, says that although the injunction only refers to current NetJets staff, it has been advised by its lawyers to avoid former NetJets staff for fear of breaching the order.
Jonathan Breeze, chief executive and founder of Jet Republic and a former commercial director of NetJets Europe, said that as a result, "hundreds" of job applications were essentially in limbo and added that it was hard to explain to candidates that they were not being assessed for legal reasons.
"As an employee I would want to be able to get any job that was advertised and to be restricted from that would seem unfair," he said.
The problem is set to persist as Jet Republic hopes to hire 1,000 new staff over the next five years and the current temporary injunction runs until February 2010 with the possibility of an extension. Mr Breeze said he would fight the injunction in the courts.
Robert Dranitzke, chief operating officer of NetJets Europe, insisted the injunction only affected current workers and that the company had taken the unusual step because its people were "being harassed".
Jet Republic said it had acted in accordance with industry practice.
"We welcome all new entrants into the industry and wish them the best of luck. Competition is good for the industry and for the customer," Mr Dranitzke said.
NetJets Europe is the dominant market operator and a pioneer of fractional ownership of private jets. It has more than 1,900 employees, 1,600 customers and 165 aircraft. But the global downturn has hit the company with clients flying less and aircraft prices falling.
The injunction was granted by a Portuguese municipal court in July 2008 after Jet Republic was alleged to have poached two of NetJets' top management team, including a former UK director of finance, and approached others.
But its effect has been felt more keenly in recent weeks because the deteriorating economic climate has led NetJets Europe to arrange the voluntary redundancy of 87 staff members and reduced working hours for 300 others.
Jet Republic, which is hiring between five and ten new people each month, says that although the injunction only refers to current NetJets staff, it has been advised by its lawyers to avoid former NetJets staff for fear of breaching the order.
Jonathan Breeze, chief executive and founder of Jet Republic and a former commercial director of NetJets Europe, said that as a result, "hundreds" of job applications were essentially in limbo and added that it was hard to explain to candidates that they were not being assessed for legal reasons.
"As an employee I would want to be able to get any job that was advertised and to be restricted from that would seem unfair," he said.
The problem is set to persist as Jet Republic hopes to hire 1,000 new staff over the next five years and the current temporary injunction runs until February 2010 with the possibility of an extension. Mr Breeze said he would fight the injunction in the courts.
Robert Dranitzke, chief operating officer of NetJets Europe, insisted the injunction only affected current workers and that the company had taken the unusual step because its people were "being harassed".
Jet Republic said it had acted in accordance with industry practice.
"We welcome all new entrants into the industry and wish them the best of luck. Competition is good for the industry and for the customer," Mr Dranitzke said.
NetJets Europe is the dominant market operator and a pioneer of fractional ownership of private jets. It has more than 1,900 employees, 1,600 customers and 165 aircraft. But the global downturn has hit the company with clients flying less and aircraft prices falling.
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Is it true they have a 6/4 roster is that going to work for commuters,I guess they've pitched it below the Netjets 6/5 which I believe was giving too much away to the workforce ?
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I see in today's Daily Telegraph that JB's ego still knows no bounds, as bad as when we flew together in NJ:
Airline boss follows his herd instinct
Not every airline is suffering a decline in numbers due to swine flu. Jet Republic, a private charter start-up, saw inquiries tick up a fifth between March and June because, chief executive Jonathan Breeze claims, travelling by Learjet means wealthy individuals "don't have to fly with other members of the public, and therefore reduce the chances of catching swine flu".
Pigs in cattle class. How sensitive of the super-rich.
Airline boss follows his herd instinct
Not every airline is suffering a decline in numbers due to swine flu. Jet Republic, a private charter start-up, saw inquiries tick up a fifth between March and June because, chief executive Jonathan Breeze claims, travelling by Learjet means wealthy individuals "don't have to fly with other members of the public, and therefore reduce the chances of catching swine flu".
Pigs in cattle class. How sensitive of the super-rich.
I note from the ads that the max height for flight attendants is 165cm.
No high heels in the cabin then......
Jet Republic Launches Charter Flight Programme
I guess they're short of business inquiries if theyre trying the charter model too (although a fifth increase could be construed as only 2 more if youve only had 10! Good spin though)- all those listed website directors must be burrning through the cash quickly
No high heels in the cabin then......
Jet Republic Launches Charter Flight Programme
I guess they're short of business inquiries if theyre trying the charter model too (although a fifth increase could be construed as only 2 more if youve only had 10! Good spin though)- all those listed website directors must be burrning through the cash quickly
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