lharle

You can take the metro but you will have to take the bus or to walk for 45 minutes.
The best way is to take a taxi: about 10 minutes and 20 euro.

tonyderek

Hi buddys

I am pilot for tag . My wife Sara works for BA but she wants to move to corporate, to NJ Europe- We have a grown kid. Is it a handicap to be married and having kids for a company like NJ? You know the way sometimes the companies are about women...

Thanks

CL300

This is one of the only pan-european company, where the family style is outstanding. ( besides the majors and 10 years of seniority)

revolucionpilot

At present I did not receive any info on the result of my interview so I can only assume a negative outcome.
If this is not that the case I have to inform you that any way I'm not interested in a pilot position with your company cause you did not pass mine of scrutiny.
And just for the sake of it I want to give some feed back.
First of all I found undecent the accomodation you provided for the interview. My interest in your company ended at that stage.
Probably the trend is that pilot are to be considered more and more as truck drivers, but with all the respect for that very important category I think that somebody has to do something to revert this trend even if I have to admit that many of my collegues deserves that kind of treatment..but not myself. You can tell Mr Buffet he can go to sleep in a motel on the motorway if he likes it.
Second i found you interviewing process quite absurd.
To put a professional pilot flying one of the heaviest and more sophisticaded aircraft around in long haul operation on the simulator of a of a 1960s light turboprop he never saw even in a post card, in very un familiar area, with high terrain, without a proper briefing, with no automation available, in a mountain area is seems like an attempt to umiliate more then evaluate.
Tech quiz is probably tailored for somebody just finished his ATPL studying and honestly I have to admit I answered mostly randomly .Actually I was very close to go back to the airport as i saw the place i was supposed to sleep in .and i still think that that would have been the best option.
I hope that you will not manage to ruin european general aviation.

best regards

revolucionpilot

I received this e-mail in carbon copy from a friend... I don't know who is the author and if it was actually sent.
Just believe that it is quite interesting.This guy has guts.
I do know somedody that recently joined NJE and he is not happy.
I see a lot of enthusiast here.
I think NJE being a branch of a US company can't bring any good to the aviation industry in Europe. American corporations just have profit in their mind and if economy will have a down turn the first sector to suffer will be GA. In the long term they will profit on your skin...
It may be good for time pilots getting excited by having a blackberry and willing to clean the plane....

CL300

I love this, people show up to an interview assessed on standard flying skills, and basic knowledge of Jar ops and pans-ops. Then because the sim is not a 4 engines , 400 tons flying machine replica located in sunshine Farnborough, with as everyone knows, the best suitable accomodations in europe; he felt offended ?

Give us a break, there is no perfect company, so it is good that these guys are not joining,it would be a pain in the flightdeck.

Among anything else, we are now 1000 pilots.....Can we be all stupids? It suits us, this is it , the ones who do not likeit, they can bus-style their lives anywhere, or moscow-party anytime they want.

Having profit in mind is slightly better than pasta or belgium fries or else rosties; it did not do very good for the workforce.

cheers...

PPRuNeUser0215

Actually you could easily think that you are right (sorry your friend)and I can see why.
But in reality when you get two guys of similar experience, perhaps both flying an Airbus and with no experience (not in the past 10-15 years anyway) on anything remotely similar to a say, B1900; and one of them manages to do well or very well but not the other one, you can only wonder why it is that way.
My personal view on that is that one is good, the other one is not.
One is what NJE (or any employer for that matter) wants, the other is not.

With regards to the high ground location, it is only to see how aware one can be. Most guys flying regularly between the North of Europe and the South are perfectly aware of MSAs, MFAs and corrections to make. Guys operating in the Iranian area would be even more up to speed with that (specially if the y fly heavies). For these guys, it is daily routine so perhaps what NJE is looking for is not a 400 T guy but someone who will transfer as smoothly, as safely as possible on another jet in his new company. Not less, not more.

As for the accomodation, I have never seen it (only from the outside) but I can only say that not all company pay for a night's accomodation when people attend interviews. Companies doing that as common practice tend to be expats ones such as EK, CX etc...
BA doesn't, Tfly doesn't, don't think AF does nor it is the case for EZ, FR, etc...
I am not saying it is right to put people in a crap hole because, sure it will look bad if you try to promote your company from Day -1 but applicants also need to look around once in a while. And if they are even better than that, they will even realise that Le Bourget for example, has very little in terms of hotels of acceptable standards, close to FSI therefore minimising all risks to turn up late for D Day.
It is a long day and having everybody ready to start on time is important (not least for the candidate himself).

Not sorry for your friend and even happier for his ex future colleagues at NJE...

FourGreenNoRed

Interviews are normally made to select the right people for the company. In this particular case NJE looks - amongst other things - into the following skills and attributes:

Can he fly? And remember, flying is a lot more then selecting Flight Director Modi and Autopilots. You might remember that it has to do with needles and basic instruments if the automation fails. A B-1900 or even older models evaluate those skills quite effective.

Can you stay with your fellow crewmember for six days? Even in remote locations for a while when the only guy to talk to is your crew-mate?

Thats not really asking for too much. In your particular case the interview process seemed to work just fine.

Good to see!

Stupidbutsaveable

To whomever decided not to offer RP's 'friend' a job.........I thank you for sparing me the prospect of 6 days in his company.

PPRuNeUser0215

Why some posts get censored by the Mods when "smart, intelligent" people like revolucionpilot are allowed to roam freely, pissing off everybody in any thread they get involved is beyond me.

I guess it is the beauty of Pprune, it takes all sorts

Just do a search on Revolucionpilot's posts and you get the idea pretty quickly of the kind of guy he must be.
Sorry I wasted my time replying to him but hey, perhaps someone, somewhere will find something useful to him in what I wrote.
All hope is not lost

revolucionpilot

Amex I don't want to piss you off.
I just think that PPrune is a place where the truth is somehow always hidden. As i told you I don't know the guy. I just got his e-mail from a friend.
I just wanted to share with you this guy point of view on NJE interview.
I know..is not very functional to your recruitment but that's the truth.
I strongly agree that a motorway motel is not a proper location for a professional invited for a job interview and you can invent what ever you want but this is the truth. BA AF..are you comparing NJE with major carriers.
I probably would have reacted the same way.
The sim ride is just technical but still i agree that it is not the proper way to asses somebody that has been flying professionally for years.
In real life you loose automation you are on the plane you are rated in and flying regularly ..not in a piece of junk you never saw before..right? May be the many helicopter pilot or Tornado pilot you are scrutining will be less assertive and more skilled e moreover fresh from their ATPL...
Then actually i don't know how the interview ended but I know that he is not joining anyway...very easy to understand right.?
So why you are pist off AMEX...neither I'm planning to join i never applied and never will . But I flew general aviation and i know what I'm talking about. I prefer to continue eating my caviar instead of your cold meal and enjoying my layover with a much larger crew..my 42 days of leave, and my plentiness of days off having said so you can continue your happy life... Somehow you are right ...the assesment should start with a basic IQ test... God...caviar is cold!

FourGreenNoRed

south coast

TW*T!

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Taxi2parking

....and looking at the above, we shouldn't underestimate the importance of the English test.

revolucionpilot

Usque tandem...

Taxi2parking

...fancy not realising the hotel is part of the test.....

....well back to enjoying "my plentiness of days off".....

austrian71

...what a shame, they didnt lay down the red carpet, there was no special service included in your accomodation, no relaxing massage given to you before they put you in the sim and finally they didnt transport you with one of their more than 130 shiny business jets between your home and farnborough ??? Oh my dear, alot of stuff for our next T&C's improvement, thanks for your feedback !!!!

spaniel

hey Revolucionpilot,

sounds like NetJets had a lucky escape with you!! Let me get this correct...they provided a FREE hotel for you which didnt match you're expectations and that was the basis for you deciding the company wasn't for you!!? Was your english so bad that you were unable to rebook a more acceptable one youself??

Maybe there should be a 'Reality Check' as part of the assessment, I guess that would have been a tad hard for you too!!

sirvival

Any news on the new assessment process?

sangiovese.

The hotel's crap! Couldnt resist