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MReyn24050 16th Feb 2020 10:21

Thanks Dook. So have I now, it is like London Busses one minute there are none in sight then dozens come along. Good challenge though all the same.

Jhieminga 16th Feb 2020 13:08

Sycamore has control!
by Jelle Hieminga, on Flickr

by Jelle Hieminga, on Flickr

https://cimg5.ibsrv.net/gimg/pprune....d98b2ede1.jpeg

sycamore 16th Feb 2020 17:05

https://cimg6.ibsrv.net/gimg/pprune....ee1a822376.jpg
A birthday present for you all,as it`s my birthday....just back from the pub....
I have.flown this in the USA......

dook 16th Feb 2020 17:14

Happy birthday you old sod.

g meter goes from +10 to -4 I think.

sycamore 16th Feb 2020 18:28

+6-3 normal limits....

Jhieminga 16th Feb 2020 20:15

There are some Piper parts in there, but I cannot make out what it could be. Is it a kit-built aircraft or has it been in production?

Happy birthday by the way!

sycamore 16th Feb 2020 20:35

j,thank you,39 (again)!.....not homebuilt,but limited production...

Jhieminga 17th Feb 2020 07:02

The only type I can come up with is the PA-28R-300 Pillán (or T-35).

dook 17th Feb 2020 09:32

That's more than I have done. All I could find is the Temco Buckaroo (26 built).

meleagertoo 17th Feb 2020 12:55

What do we know?

mid '70s to mid '80s
Tandem 2 seat trainer thus military application
Low/medium power normally aspirated piston engine (no redline on manifold gauge)
Not fast - VNe 200Kts, Vmo 150
Retractable tricycle gear

Edit.

The blue tint of the panel sent me East and encouraged by the very similar Czech UTVA Lasta I found the PZL M26 Iskierka.

What a smashing little toy. I want one!

sycamore 17th Feb 2020 14:24

Nail,head,hit..Mel..
A very comfortable aircraft to fly with a good performance,considering it has Seneca wings,tail,u/c ,engine...only 14 built..
there are a few videos on u-tube of it doing aeros,which it does very well..progenitor of the Orlik...
Over to you MEL.

Jhieminga 17th Feb 2020 17:29

I'll have one too! The rudder pedals and gear lights, as well as some other stuff, were clearly Piper. As they had no military trainers in their line-up I went and looked abroad. I did find the T-35, but didn't know that the Seneca had been built under licence. Learned something today.

sycamore 17th Feb 2020 18:39

I thought you hawks would have noticed the engine oil/temp/pressure /cht gauge familiar on most `Soviet ` influenced aircraft,as ,whilst looking standard,it is `colour-coded as well/,even on jets....Dulux must do well with that blue paint..!

Asturias56 18th Feb 2020 08:11

Always thought it interesting that when Microsoft/IBM were looking at a background colour for various versions of Windows they landed on almost exactly the same shade of blue as the Russians had done years before - restful and a very good background to place other information

Of course some Apple freaks think this proves that MS & Bill gates were in fact part of the Evil Empire............... :ok:

Jhieminga 18th Feb 2020 18:51


Originally Posted by sycamore (Post 10689907)
I thought you hawks would have noticed the engine oil/temp/pressure /cht gauge familiar on most `Soviet ` influenced aircraft,as ,whilst looking standard,it is `colour-coded as well/,even on jets.

I got distracted by the US hardware. The fact that the RPM indicator is digital pushed me further towards a US design. But I promise I won't forget it from here on.... ;)

sycamore 19th Feb 2020 17:57

As `mel` hasn`t taken up the cudgels,then I think it`s time for` Open House.......`

dook 19th Feb 2020 20:54

However, there may be a good reason why he has not yet been able to get back.

Self loading bear 19th Feb 2020 21:26

We could have declared Open house after 48hrs when there would be consensus from multiple posters. But Dook is not in “consensus”
Let’s wait till 72 hrs.
Then Mel could always take up a future Open house.

dook 20th Feb 2020 10:32

"But Dook is not in “consensus”"

I just thought he may have had a valid reason for not posting such as being hospitalised or a family problem. It has happened before.

However, three days have now passed so I will go along with OH.

meleagertoo 20th Feb 2020 10:56

Sorry guys, got distracred and didn't return to say OH.

dook 20th Feb 2020 11:24

Let's get this thread rolling again.

https://cimg5.ibsrv.net/gimg/pprune....9d5b548bfe.jpg

Jamesel 20th Feb 2020 21:57

The few extra engine instruments across the top makes me think of a prototype or engine testbed? Prevents me from giving a lightning quick answer......

dook 21st Feb 2020 08:23

Prototype fighter.

Jhieminga 21st Feb 2020 09:19

It's a twin, and most instruments point towards a WWII US contraption, so I'm going out on a limb and say: P-38 Lightning. I reserve the right to correct myself later though...

Edit: on second thought, I'll take the McDonnell XP-67 Bat, as the Lightning has a different control column arrangement.

dook 21st Feb 2020 09:24

Sorry, but it's not a P38.

Jhieminga 21st Feb 2020 09:27

I edited before I saw your post.... :rolleyes:

dook 21st Feb 2020 12:49

That's a hit with the XP67 Moonbat.

Your stage.

Jhieminga 21st Feb 2020 17:07

Let's try this, probably an easy one:

https://cimg6.ibsrv.net/gimg/pprune....f1b0aebf74.jpg

Fly.Buy 21st Feb 2020 18:45


Originally Posted by Jhieminga (Post 10692972)
Let's try this, probably an easy one:

https://cimg6.ibsrv.net/gimg/pprune....f1b0aebf74.jpg

Armstrong Whitworth Argosy??

sycamore 22nd Feb 2020 14:32

First thoughts are Fairey Rotodyne,but the instruments are more 60-70s than 50s...So is this the Bell XV-15 early model,as the similar gauges on the right look like system,g`box ts& ps....?

Jhieminga 23rd Feb 2020 06:33

Not an Argosy, not the Rotodyne either. And it’s not the XV-15.

meleagertoo 23rd Feb 2020 11:07

Two sets of 8 (rh bank only half visible) apparently identical gauges numbered 1 - 8 vertically.
A rotary selector above them with 12 selections.
Two huge temperature gauges.
Daylight visible through the panel so a glazed nose.
Twin turbine but extra levers
Retractable gear.
Wing flaps - lots - to c.60'
Does the panel above the flap position indicator say 'FEET'? - meaning height or legs?
RCDI to +/- 6000fpm so it's no slouch.
Very odd gauge below and left of the T handle...numbered to minus or down 16 and pos or up 14

An early tiltrotor type?

sycamore 23rd Feb 2020 11:14

Blown Buffalo

meleagertoo 23rd Feb 2020 11:22

Buffalo engine controls are overhead...

dook 23rd Feb 2020 11:58

The percentage rpm indicators are of typically British military type.

Self loading bear 23rd Feb 2020 12:34

Dornier Do-31
Do-31

Jhieminga 23rd Feb 2020 12:40

Self Loading Bear has control. The Do-31 is correct. It was Do-31 E3 ‘D-9531’ at Flugwerft Schleissheim.

Self loading bear 23rd Feb 2020 13:26

Thanks Jelle,
Not so straightforward as you thought. Just because Syca and Mel were mentioning the Tilt rotor twice put me on the track of V(S)TOL.

Now this beautiful arranged dash. I had to fog the windscreen as the same type is standing in front of the aircraft.

https://cimg8.ibsrv.net/gimg/pprune....75bf8aa10.jpeg

meleagertoo 23rd Feb 2020 19:48

Superb challenge, the Dornier!

I was all over VTOL and tiltrotors and didn't find this one despite having all those clues. I even thought (honest!) the cranked lever looked Harrier.

Jhieminga 24th Feb 2020 07:45

Glad you liked it :p

DO-31_E3_240714 by https://www.flickr.com/photos/102686263@N02/, on Flickr
DO-31_cockpit_240714 by https://www.flickr.com/photos/102686263@N02/, on Flickr


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