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Old 26th Feb 2010, 11:27
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Boys.. I'm going out at 1330 for a while so you'll have plenty of time to think!!!! I'll be back around 1800... RR
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Old 26th Feb 2010, 12:04
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As far as I can see they do still produce whole aircraft
I'm off back now to square one.
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Morning guy's, lunch time for me and a chance to join the fray!

I think it's the Dux-2 of 1913.

Not sure how that ties in with RR's clues as yet (other than Russian and pre 1920), going to have a look at that aspect now.

Found some info here that ties in well!

Dux Factory - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Open House please if confirmed by RR.

Good Challenge RR, I had a couple of fruitless hours last evening and another trawl before work and at coffee break,Now for some food!

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Old 26th Feb 2010, 12:11
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Thought I'd start with the AAM manufacturers...seemed to be the shortest list. Out of all of them Bisnovat is the only one that I can see that used to produce aircraft. But they don't produce aircraft anymore, and I can't seen any connection with cars!

Time for a break!
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Old 26th Feb 2010, 12:15
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I think you're right SincoTC...just looked it up.

But cannot see any connection with the clues!
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Thanks TC.

Now we can all have a long break, apart from trying to tie up the clues.
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Old 26th Feb 2010, 12:20
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Things do look as if they tie in:

Dux (also known as Duks or Dooks) was a bicycle/automobile/aircraft factory in Moscow, Russia before and during World War I. The factory was founded in 1893. The name comes from the latin word dux (leader). Y. A. Meller was owner of the factory which was primarily focused on the building of French aircraft designs. The factory is still active at its original location and returned to its original name several years ago. However, the company is now focused on air-to-air missile production and some aircraft sub-components. The aircraft production arm was separated from the factory in the early 1920s.
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Old 26th Feb 2010, 12:21
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Bang on SincoTC!!!!

It is the Dux-2 high-wing pusher monoplane, which included the following parts: 1) Wing from 'Neuport-IV', cut to adopt propeller; 2) Tailplane from Farman XVI

The pilot seat was behind the observer, but aircraft was equipped with dual controls. Performance was quite poor. For a 1913 military aircraft contest but no flights were performed due to construction defects... !

Dux (also known as Duks or Dooks) was a bicycle/automobile/aircraftfactory in Moscow, Russia before and during World War I. The factory was founded in 1893. Y. A. Meller was owner of the factory which was primarily focused on the building of French aircraft designs. The factory is still active at its original location and returned to its original name several years ago. However, the company is now focused on air-to-air missile production and some aircraft sub-components. The aircraft production arm was separated from the factory in the early 1920s; it is also active at its original location at the Central Moscow airfield and is named RAC MIG Production Complex #2 or the P.A. Voronin Production Center. Over the years it has also been known as OSOAVIAKHIM Plant #1, GAZ No. 1, Menjinski Plant #39, Orjonikidze Plant #381, Plant #30, MMZ (Moscow Machine-Building Plant) "Znamya Truda" (Banner of Labor), and "Moscow Aircraft Production Organization (MAPO) named after Dementiev" (Petr Dementiev, Minister of Aircraft Industry from 1953 to 1977).

The majority of types built by Dux pre- and during WW1were French and other Western aircraft designs. The first aircraft made was a licenced Farman IV with ENV engine, which made its first flight on August 18, 1910. From there, in addition to copies, some improvements were designed for existing models. The first of these was a Farman VII in 1912 with some improvements that were put into production. A more ambitious project was the Dux Meller I which combined a Bleriot main fuselage with a Farman XV nacelle added, all driven by a 100 hp Gnome-Rhone in pusher configuration. A modified Farman XVI was later produced under the name Dux Meller II and flown in 1913. The following Dux Meller III was a failed attempt to produce a single-engine twin-propeller chain-driven monoplane. Further work went into the Dux No 2 but this was also a failure. While engineering continued on a new twin engine pusher, in the end the factory's primary activity was construction of Western designs.


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Old 26th Feb 2010, 12:25
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1) Wing from 'Neuport-IV', cut to adopt propeller; 2) Tailplane from Farman XVI
and I found both matches this morning in images, but could't put things together.

Nice one RR.
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In case my edit above gets overlooked, Open House please as I'm back to work now!
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Let's see if I can get my own back....

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Sorry SincoTC, I didn't see you edit.....

I'm off out so who's next??????
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Is that a Beagle, LM?
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Is that a Beagle, LM?
Nope, but it sure looks like one.
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Old 26th Feb 2010, 12:47
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Is it the Wing Derringer?
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Old 26th Feb 2010, 12:52
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Bang Bang.

It's all yours.
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Old 26th Feb 2010, 12:56
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Thanks...

Its gonna have to be open house I'm afraid...

Still at work and shortly going to be on the road.

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Old 26th Feb 2010, 13:00
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Not again !!!!!

I've got another ready but is anyone else out there?
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Go for it LM...
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Old 26th Feb 2010, 13:13
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I don't want to appear a hog, but it's better than having nothing up....

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