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Old 15th Feb 2010, 13:29
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Ramp Tramp....well done, you have correctly identfied the term "Dart", but its not from Piasecki!

So for clarity, this aircraft is the "(name of designer) Dart".

And at risk of repeating myself, the designer spent many years at Sikorsky.

What else, well he developed the GS1 aerofoil, and also did some work for Curtiss.

I'm sure a quick look at Aerofiles will give the answer!
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Old 15th Feb 2010, 14:07
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Work calls, so off air for the next few hours.

Will check back in this evening.
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Thanks, but I'm surprised to see theres no connection with the S-57. Not only because of Sikorsky, but also the planform, even down to the underwing 'fins' of the S-57 would aqppear to be a direct lift from your design.

Still don't know what it is yet
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Old 15th Feb 2010, 14:34
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Gluharoff Dart ?
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Old 15th Feb 2010, 14:43
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the only name I can think of that might apply is Gluharoff (or Gluhareff??) but which brother (Michael or Sergei) I don't have a clue....

John

Beaten to it...

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Old 15th Feb 2010, 15:15
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It sure does look like this;

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Old 15th Feb 2010, 18:46
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Hi HD - I see you are still here.

It might now get interesting.....
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Old 15th Feb 2010, 19:13
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LM, good detective work, you are correct, it is the Gluhareff Dart, designed by Michael Gluhareff. He was Chief Engineer at Sikorsky up until the 40's although he continued to have an input in numerous models. You will have no doubt seen reference to his name in Aerofiles and you can see how manySikorsky designs he was involved with.

HD, I note what you said but I have not found a reference to his involvement in the S-57. I stand corrected if you have something that indicates otherwise.

LM, over to you.
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Old 15th Feb 2010, 20:53
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Thanks skytrain - methinks you are a steward behind a bar......

Absolutely tremendous shout

There are times when somebody designs an aeroplane where the expected performance is optimistic. Maybe this applies to this:

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Old 15th Feb 2010, 21:23
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Hi David! The Tsybin RSR. Have we had this before or was it another Tsybin product?

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Old 15th Feb 2010, 21:49
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In the silhouette I was sure the plane was 'above me' perspective wise, so I actually thought that your picure, Graeme, was from a different angle for a short while. How odd

Skytrain, no, nothing at all on this 'gluesniff ' fellow, it was just the similarity that struck me.
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Old 15th Feb 2010, 22:16
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I was sure the plane was 'above me' perspective wise
Hi Wayne! Ain't that the truth. With some of these silhouettes it's hard to know if they're coming or going. I was originally thinking that it was a British fighter project flying 'above' me, if that makes any sense.
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Old 15th Feb 2010, 22:54
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Deviating back to Mr Gluhareff, I found this photo on the web of a balsa flying model of the Dart dating from 1939. I suspect this may be the "mock-up" that has been referred to in other sources.



Morning Graeme....we had the Tsybin RS before...I think thats a different spec to the RSR.

LM, just remember stewards who work in a bar have their uses!!
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Old 16th Feb 2010, 07:16
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Well done Graeme - the RSR model.

I thought the other model was the NM-1 (Naturnaya Model), which preceded the RSR.

Wotcha got for us?
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Old 16th Feb 2010, 08:03
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Morning all. Here ya go...

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Old 16th Feb 2010, 09:27
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The nose is very Keystone....
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Old 16th Feb 2010, 11:08
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Yeah it does, but it's not a Keystone.
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Old 16th Feb 2010, 19:44
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Here's a clue.

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Is the Sikorsky S.29A - possibly as modified for the Hells Angels film ?
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Hi Graeme,

Thanks for the clue! Is it the Sikorsky S-37-B ? If it is then Open House Please as I'm offline now until tomorrow evening.
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