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ebt 5th Nov 2020 00:18


Originally Posted by dr dre (Post 10918960)
ExpressJet Shuts Down, Idling 3,000 Airline Workers
American Airlines begins furloughs for 19,000 workers
Airlines Near 50,000 Job Cuts as American, United Feel Squeeze
Miami Air ends operations after 29 years

And that's only for now, more expected next year because the dysfunctional US government can't provide assistance for the airline industry.

Letting the virus rip through the nation doesn't mean boom times for airlines. It's the opposite.

In comparison:
China Southern Turns Third Quarter Profit Amid Rebounding Market
How major South Korean airlines made profits during pandemic
Air New Zealand will operate 90 per cent of its pre-COVID-19 domestic schedule

Nations that took strict initial measures and dealt with the pandemic seriously are doing better and rebounding. It's obvious which path Australia should follow.

While I don't disagree with your conclusion, you fail to pick up that the key factor in all of this is government support. The USA's CARES Act provided a level of support for airlines provided they didn't furlough. That expired in October and so now the cash tap has been turned off, you'll see the US carriers now really start to pull things back where they can, while also grabbing the opportunity to make some cash where there is opportunity to do so. By comparison, China is subsidising their carriers to the hilt, Air NZ has been drawing on a government loan, and Korea has also helped to provide assistance to some carriers.

dr dre 5th Nov 2020 05:31


Originally Posted by ebt (Post 10918978)
While I don't disagree with your conclusion, you fail to pick up that the key factor in all of this is government support. The USA's CARES Act provided a level of support for airlines provided they didn't furlough. That expired in October and so now the cash tap has been turned off, you'll see the US carriers now really start to pull things back where they can, while also grabbing the opportunity to make some cash where there is opportunity to do so. By comparison, China is subsidising their carriers to the hilt, Air NZ has been drawing on a government loan, and Korea has also helped to provide assistance to some carriers.

Government support is essential for the airline sector to survive whilst pandemic control measures are in place and then regrow once the control measures have been lifted. I wish our federal governmetn was doing far more for our aviation sector.

But the main part of my argument was to debunk the notion that if we just dropped all controls and essentially turn a blind eye to the virus then everything would get back to normal. As the US has shown this is not the case.

Turnleft080 5th Nov 2020 08:41

NSW Premier Gladys Berejiklian has hit out at her Queensland counterpart for "rubbing in" the Maroons' State of Origin win via text message instead of taking the state border issue seriously.
Ms Berejiklian said on Sunday night she sent a text to Annastacia Palaszczuk to congratulate her on her re-election as Queensland Premier and reiterate her desire to speak about the border closure to Sydney.
But she said she received no reply until last night when Ms Palaszczuk bragged about Queensland defeating NSW in the Origin I match.
"She replied 'Queenslander, great game' or something to that effect," Ms Berejiklian said today.
"She didn't mention borders or thanks for the congratulations.
"I didn't know whether to be shocked or bemused frankly."

What Gladys is saying the woman up north needs some psychological help.



blubak 5th Nov 2020 18:08


Originally Posted by Turnleft080 (Post 10919173)
NSW Premier Gladys Berejiklian has hit out at her Queensland counterpart for "rubbing in" the Maroons' State of Origin win via text message instead of taking the state border issue seriously.
Ms Berejiklian said on Sunday night she sent a text to Annastacia Palaszczuk to congratulate her on her re-election as Queensland Premier and reiterate her desire to speak about the border closure to Sydney.
But she said she received no reply until last night when Ms Palaszczuk bragged about Queensland defeating NSW in the Origin I match.
"She replied 'Queenslander, great game' or something to that effect," Ms Berejiklian said today.
"She didn't mention borders or thanks for the congratulations.
"I didn't know whether to be shocked or bemused frankly."

What Gladys is saying the woman up north needs some psychological help.

Says it all about where her priorities lie,here she goes again with her childish mind games.
Didnt see her respond to not being allowed into the theme park last week,maybe they should have let her in & locked her up in fantasy land,obviously thats where she lives most of the time.
Again i say theres no doubt the victorian govt has a lot to answer for with the hotel quarantine f up but at least now there seems to be a genuine process in opening up again whereas with queen p every day brings nothing except excuses with no relevance to any facts.

rattman 6th Nov 2020 02:08


Originally Posted by Turnleft080 (Post 10919173)

What Gladys is saying the woman up north needs some psychological help.

Maybe gladys should harden the **** up and start looking at her own corruption and that of her party

Turnleft080 14th Nov 2020 00:27

Victoria has now scored 15 ducks in a row. 15000-20000 tests a day. Still not good enough for the Queen of QLD or the King of WA.
Just following the science. Got to protect our cane toads from getting covid.



getaway 14th Nov 2020 00:39


Originally Posted by Turnleft080 (Post 10926056)
Victoria has now scored 15 ducks in a row. 15000-20000 tests a day. Still not good enough for the Queen of QLD or the King of WA.
Just following the science. Got to protect our cane toads from getting covid.

but dodgy anna chukka is allowing up to 100% crowd numbers at Suncorp on Wed night at leagie game. There could be up to 52,500 at game with absolutely no social distancing whatsoever.

Word is, they got greedy with ticket prices (just like with wallabies last Sat-dumped good seats for $49 at last minute) & now dumping seats to try & fill the place + public servants are being given free tickets. Just lucky they got a pay rise so they can buy rum & cokes for $12 a can.

Chronic Snoozer 14th Nov 2020 00:48


Originally Posted by Turnleft080 (Post 10926056)
Victoria has now scored 15 ducks in a row. 15000-20000 tests a day. Still not good enough for the Queen of QLD or the King of WA.
Just following the science. Got to protect our cane toads from getting covid.

I think WA have always said 28 days of no community transmission to allow free travel between states.

Ragnor 14th Nov 2020 02:47

Who cares about WA and QLD, they have not proven themself of being capable of handling this pandemic be best if borders did remain shut I don’t want dirty QLD ppl in my state low testing rates for all we know it’s tuning rampart through QLD they’re also incapable of managing this virus. VIC is the same at least DA had been willing to learn NSW playbook and by all accounts could be very well under control down there.

jrfsp 14th Nov 2020 03:58

NZ has just recorded a case in a person arriving from NSW....

So im sure there is still virus circulating in your precious NSW!

DirectAnywhere 14th Nov 2020 04:50

A person who arrived on 1 Nov....

Ragnor 14th Nov 2020 05:05

My point is NSW can deal with it and handle it. Other states can’t

Ladloy 14th Nov 2020 05:19


Originally Posted by Ragnor (Post 10926112)
My point is NSW can deal with it and handle it. Other states canít

Doesn't sound like it

Bend alot 14th Nov 2020 08:55


Originally Posted by Ragnor (Post 10926085)
Who cares about WA and QLD,

Obviously from your vast amounts of posts YOU do.

I was happy to wait for the WA border to open, just hope the TOOLS stay out.

benttrees 14th Nov 2020 09:09

That’s hilarious..... there’s already PLENTY of tools here in W.A !!!!!

KRviator 14th Nov 2020 09:17


Originally Posted by Ladloy (Post 10926113)
Doesn't sound like it

Guess that's why Queensland has never carried their weight in International Arrivals, instead leaving the bulk of their citizens to enter via NSW, and why other states continue to lock out people from NSW, notwithstanding they have demonstrated, time and time again, they can get on top of any outbreaks while keeping their economy going. You're more than welcome to pull the DOTRS international arrival data and compare it yourself, Ladboy, and what it'll show, is those states that have locked out Victorians - and NSWelshmen in particular - are at the same time relying on NSW to act as the major point of entry to Australia for their states' citizens, and carry the lions share of the load.

Queensland - and WA to an even greater extent - are scared shyteless about having an outbreak because their systems have never been tested.

IT's all well and good for Mark McGoose to crow "We've gone 7 months without COVID in our WA community", but what he fails to mention, is that if it gets into the community, they've got zero evidence they can handle the outbreak. Gladys, for all her faults, has demonstrated the exact opposite, several times over and kept her states' economy going. That's something no other Premier can lay claim to.

601 14th Nov 2020 10:52


they've got zero evidence they can handle the outbreak
We did have a outbreak from 3 females who went to Melbourne on a "shopping expedition" and party hosting and lied on their border declaration claiming to have only been in Sydney.
Charged over falsifying Queensland coronavirus border declaration passes

Ragnor 14th Nov 2020 18:07

That was not handled well at all by Queen P. She failed miserably.

compressor stall 14th Nov 2020 20:19

Anyone got any ideas why the latest Auckland outbreak which has been shown to have originated from Defence Force personnel at a quarantine facility has made such little news in Australia?

Green.Dot 14th Nov 2020 20:31


Originally Posted by compressor stall (Post 10926668)
Anyone got any ideas why the latest Auckland outbreak which has been shown to have originated from Defence Force personnel at a quarantine facility has made such little news in Australia?

Probably the same reason Dan and his team kept the Hotel Quarantine/BLM outbreak under wraps for a couple weeks, blaming workplace lunch rooms and rogue citizens as the cause. They hoped the outbreak would be contained before the truth would be uncovered.

Deception however seems to make the average Victorian more hungry to vote for him though.
:ugh:

KRviator 14th Nov 2020 22:34


Originally Posted by 601 (Post 10926314)
We did have a outbreak from 3 females who went to Melbourne on a "shopping expedition" and party hosting and lied on their border declaration claiming to have only been in Sydney.
Charged over falsifying Queensland coronavirus border declaration passes

That wasn't an outbreak. Not even close!

That was three skanks with faces like a squashed turd thinking the rules didn't apply to them - and again - Qld got lucky they didn't cause a real outbreak with 50+ cases - and they've avoided that by refusing to carry their fair share of the load of international arrivals, preferring to let NSW carry the can, while beating their chest and declaring Queensland hospitals are for Queenslanders! And, for the record, I consider myself a Queenslander, but after Anna-Stayaways proclamations, decisions - and her attitude - I wouldn't pi$$ on her if she were on fire. Qld v Everyone else is acceptable at Origin level only.

Ragnor 15th Nov 2020 05:20

So, 4 cases in SA today. Does Queen P slam the border shut now and wait for another 28 days?! Not sure how she is working it.

-41 15th Nov 2020 06:21

McGowan already threatened WA residents not to leave WA, as he will close the border without notice if covid was detected interstate.


dr dre 15th Nov 2020 07:46


Originally Posted by Ragnor (Post 10926811)
So, 4 cases in SA today

Looks like they came out of hotel quarantine. So I guess Sky News is dispatching Peta Credlin to attack the state government because itís obviously their fault, going by the Dan A standard??

But it was also the ADF who were involved in SA hotel quarantine, and according to the self appointed experts that shouldíve 100% prevented any transmission out of hotel quarantine. How could this have happened??

wheels_down 15th Nov 2020 07:50


Originally Posted by Ragnor (Post 10926811)
So, 4 cases in SA today. Does Queen P slam the border shut now and wait for another 28 days?! Not sure how she is working it.

She will give them a ultimatum of 48hrs to give her a report of where, why and how. If they donít, then she will have no choice but to put up the wall. Like the Kiwi cases, sometimes itís not possible to find the source.

Itís this click of the fingers that is destroying many many households, most certainly many originate at QF/VA/Rex groups.

aussieflyboy 15th Nov 2020 08:01

What a grub McGowan is.

People currently en-route to WA (from SA) are going to land assuming there is no requirement to isolate then get told otherwise. This is why they donít allow you to film or take pictures in the police check area at Perth Airport. Imagine the tears and anger that will occur today.

empacher48 15th Nov 2020 08:02


Originally Posted by compressor stall (Post 10926668)
Anyone got any ideas why the latest Auckland outbreak which has been shown to have originated from Defence Force personnel at a quarantine facility has made such little news in Australia?

Probably the same reason why here in NZ we never hear much about what is happening with COVID in Australia. If I didnít read it here, then according to most NZers, Australia is a COVID hell hole, completely out of control because what is happened in Melbourne is what is happening everywhere else.

COVID in Australia isnít all that important to NZ. COVID in NZ shouldnít be important in Australia.

I mean, should the fact that Type 1 diabetics are up in arms over an advertising campaign really make headline news is Australia?? (Unless you think it should, which means Australians care more about NZ than what is made out).

Ragnor 15th Nov 2020 08:26

I hope someone sneaks a camera in and films the heartache when they’re told to test and then taken away to isolate for 14 days.

SOPS 15th Nov 2020 08:34


Originally Posted by aussieflyboy (Post 10926869)
What a grub McGowan is.

People currently en-route to WA (from SA) are going to land assuming there is no requirement to isolate then get told otherwise. This is why they donít allow you to film or take pictures in the police check area at Perth Airport. Imagine the tears and anger that will occur today.

You wait to see the tears when the WA border is slammed shut again !!!

PoppaJo 15th Nov 2020 08:34

This is why QF and VA are screwed for the foreseeable future. Open one week, closed the next.

It appears the only two states willing to work together with rolling daily cases is NSW and VIC. That alone is not going to get the crew bases in those two states up and running significantly.

Square Bear 15th Nov 2020 08:59

So Adelaide has 3 cases....will Queen P shut out that city.....how can any airline operate under such uncertainty.

With only 40 days to Christmas, a few more cases will blow the two 14 day cycles required by QLD.

SOPS 15th Nov 2020 09:06

Looking at the news in Perth tonight.. I would not mind betting that WA will shut itís borders again.

Ladloy 15th Nov 2020 09:18


Originally Posted by dr dre (Post 10926860)
Looks like they came out of hotel quarantine. So I guess Sky News is dispatching Peta Credlin to attack the state government because itís obviously their fault, going by the Dan A standard??

But it was also the ADF who were involved in SA hotel quarantine, and according to the self appointed experts that shouldíve 100% prevented any transmission out of hotel quarantine. How could this have happened??

LNP good
Labor bad

Green.Dot 15th Nov 2020 09:31


Originally Posted by Ladloy (Post 10926923)
LNP good
Labor bad

Whatever Dre is smoking must be good

chookcooker 15th Nov 2020 09:33


Originally Posted by dr dre (Post 10926860)
Looks like they came out of hotel quarantine. So I guess Sky News is dispatching Peta Credlin to attack the state government because itís obviously their fault, going by the Dan A standard??

But it was also the ADF who were involved in SA hotel quarantine, and according to the self appointed experts that shouldíve 100% prevented any transmission out of hotel quarantine. How could this have happened??

If you think that trained ADF personnel are as much of a risk as unemployed nobodies hired after a 5 minute whatsapp interview, given next to zero extra training and then end up rooting those in the actual quarantine, then good luck to you.
Nobody has suggested any policy is foolproof, but some slices of cheese have larger holes than others.

Ragnor 15th Nov 2020 09:43

Wonder is Rex jet has spare cash for extended border closure. Reality is this is how it will be until a proven vaccine.

galdian 15th Nov 2020 10:20

If google's to be believed deaths are:
- VIC 819 NSW 53 TAS 13....rest of state/territories single digits.

From the initial mess that was the Ruby Princess one would have expected NSW would be the wasteland of Australia, not so. Victoria is. By a factor of 15 times or more.
Unless you're a moron there's gotta be a reason for that.

Anyone who thinks Chairman Dan is "the man" please go and explain it to the families and extended families - all 819 of them - why Victoria has been so successful thanks to Dan the Man.

On jetblast, US thread a video of Bill Maher discussing the Democrats conundrum of why people won't vote for them, concepts such as "woke", "PC", "closed minds", "tribalism" and "common sense" get mentioned.
For anyone capable of thought and consideration well worth watching - and get a few laughs as well.

819 deaths all because of a "creeping assumption".
Someone was responsible for signing the contracts for the $30million hotel contracts - no "creeping assumption" there - on the basis of no signed agreement, no money.


Fonz121 15th Nov 2020 12:14


On jetblast, US thread a video of Bill Maher discussing the Democrats conundrum of why people won't vote for them...
I donít know how to break this to you....

Ladloy 15th Nov 2020 17:41


Originally Posted by chookcooker (Post 10926936)
If you think that trained ADF personnel are as much of a risk as unemployed nobodies hired after a 5 minute whatsapp interview, given next to zero extra training and then end up rooting those in the actual quarantine, then good luck to you.
Nobody has suggested any policy is foolproof, but some slices of cheese have larger holes than others.

Just like how the feds essentially neglected aged care and Victorians suffered the consequences for it. More to the story than just a bunch of security personnel.

galdian 15th Nov 2020 19:10


Originally Posted by Fonz121 (Post 10927067)
I donít know how to break this to you....

Appears likely haven't won the senate.

If Trump was so bad and the Democrats platform so good why didn't they get the clean sweep and absolute control?
Because not enough people voted for them.

Why......??


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