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Ragnor 30th Oct 2020 12:10

By all the polls been run today, they have Labor winning so looks like indefinite border closure for SY and NSW as their demands will not be met.

Superman1 30th Oct 2020 12:16


QLD has the dumbest CHO and premier in Australiaís history.
Yes unfortunately not a great talent pool in QLD, thatís obvious by the excessive number of those who bury themselves in the inflated public service positions up there.Even the police can opt to do overtime on their day off at double dollars by sitting in a marked car with flashing lights on at roadworks.....what a deal! VA HQ is just another good example where most wouldnít last a day working for a competitive organisation in SYD or MEL, unfortunately down south it wouldnít be acceptable catching waves by 4pm.

Buster Hyman 30th Oct 2020 14:33


Qantas boss Alan Joyce has slammed the Queensland Government’s decision to keep Sydney banned from the state, saying it was “ridiculous” and warning it would simply drive holiday-makers to other destinations instead.
I think we can safely rule out QF HQ relocating to BNE now.

krismiler 30th Oct 2020 15:36

No UK or US flights planned for the next 12 months.

https://www.executivetraveller.com/n...o-october-2021

Chris2303 30th Oct 2020 20:19

Sweden

https://www.nzherald.co.nz/world/cov...RTJKYQB25BLDE/

machtuk 30th Oct 2020 21:19

12 months ago who would have thought that this so called "land of the free" would become so divided and controlled by a bunch of grubby lying lunatics called State Premiers!

Australia's history books just got a chaptor of shear lunacy added!

highflyer40 30th Oct 2020 21:30


Originally Posted by KRviator (Post 10914830)
So, Sweden went from 4,944 deaths on June 08 to 5,934 today, a 20% increase in nearly 5 months, yet in that time, cases went from 71,667 cases to 121,167 a nearly 70% increase. The data doesn't lie, the fatality rate there is dropping substantially, even with increasing cases.

I think you will find with most countries that unlike the first wave where deaths lagged behind by about a month this new wave was started with the return of universities with a lag of about a month to get to the at risk demographic and then the normal month to see the death rate start to increase. The next couple of weeks will see whether that holds true.

Global Aviator 30th Oct 2020 22:42


Originally Posted by krismiler (Post 10915181)
No UK or US flights planned for the next 12 months.

https://www.executivetraveller.com/n...o-october-2021

Different countries certainly act in different ways. Australia certainly looks like being locked down for some time to come, lucky it is a big country and as all borders open (hopefully) one can at least have domestic tourism. Fly from Brisbane to Broome and flight time is like flying overseas :8. While at the same time other countries like Singapore focus on negative testing and opening the economy.

In my humble opinion S.E.Asia will be back to 'normal' before many other places.

QF international it is a sad state of affairs when a company prefers to park aircraft than chase the work. As has been seen with the government assisted charter flights there is work out there that can be done without loosing money.

Back to ALL BORDERS TO OPEN. Fungers crossed that Straya once again becomes one, that includes that island just off the coast eh cuz, beached az. At least this would fire up tourism and help to revive the airline industry in the country.

Chris2303 30th Oct 2020 23:30


Originally Posted by machtuk (Post 10915363)
12 months ago who would have thought that this so called "land of the free" would become so divided and controlled by a bunch of grubby lying lunatics called State Premiers!

Australia's history books just got a chaptor of shear lunacy added!

From the other side of the Tasman: Who would have thought that Aussies were capable and willing to show so much hatred towards their fellow countrymen/countrywomen. The "lucky country"? I don't think so, Tim

goodonyamate 30th Oct 2020 23:54


Originally Posted by Chris2303 (Post 10915425)
From the other side of the Tasman: Who would have thought that Aussies were capable and willing to show so much hatred towards their fellow countrymen/countrywomen. The "lucky country"? I don't think so, Tim

agree.currently we are an embarrassment.

And the sad part is These bastard premiers will never be held to account for the damage theyíve caused.

wheels_down 31st Oct 2020 02:05


Originally Posted by Global Aviator (Post 10915404)
QF international it is a sad state of affairs when a company prefers to park aircraft than chase the work. As has been seen with the government assisted charter flights there is work out there that can be done without loosing money.
.

How does one make money when your capped at a few dozen per flight. Please go on.

Your tunnel vision is off the charts.

krismiler 31st Oct 2020 02:14

There would be an acceptable level of risk in establishing travel bubbles between countries with low rates of infection and which have demonstrated competence in dealing with the outbreak. Basically: Australian, New Zealand, Singapore,Taiwan, Japan, Thailand, Brunei, China, Hong Kong, Vietnam and possibly one or two more.

Two of the most popular destinations, Bali and Fiji would remain outside due to the high COVID rate in Indonesia, and whilst the rate in Fiji may be low, Iím not convinced they have the capability to monitor and manage the situation.

A whole change in outlook might occur, with Australians visiting countries they never considered before and new areas opening up for trade an investment. The kangaroo route to London will definitely return, but in the meantime thereís some lovely beaches and food in Vietnam.

Global Aviator 31st Oct 2020 03:47

Never let the facts get in the way of a good discussion!
 

Originally Posted by wheels_down (Post 10915479)
How does one make money when your capped at a few dozen per flight. Please go on.

Your tunnel vision is off the charts.

No problem at all Wheels. I do not have the exact costs of the tickets, just a little google and even then probably not entirely correct. A few guestimations in there for sure however it wouldn't be to far from correct.

LHR DRW -

42 Business - call it $4500 (however I am sure I read it was higher) = $189,000.
130 Premium & Economy - call it $2150 (actually $2500 with the taxes, plus Premium was more, however without knowing the exact pax in each class it is guesstimations) = $279,000.
Total revenue on the soft side = $468,000.

Not knowing where the aircraft originated or went after call it 30 hours of flying, $468,000 / 30 = $15,600 per hour.

Now do the sums on India.

As I said I know my numbers are not spot on, however for the argument you can see that it actually does work. No not the rate an airliner would normally want to achieve, however most likely not operating in the loss zone, who knows what the Government tipped in, backroom deals. I didn't see a public tender, did you?

Who has the tunnel vision? Please do correct me if I am wrong.

Back to the borders!

I should have been clearer in what I meant in the first place. Yes the airlines flying into Australia no doubt have their government support. Mind you charging up to 20k for First and not far off it for Business you can't blame the airline, plus no doubt flying around with a belly full of cargo. I have said all along that flying with 30-50 pax is not sustainable. There are however ways to make certain routes work. SQ for instance have been hauling massive amounts of belly cargo in. Without knowing exactly but I would imagine most flights into MEL would be the same as ZERO pax onboard, otherwise why would they be flying?

Ladloy 31st Oct 2020 16:44


Originally Posted by getaway (Post 10914819)
LNP will hopefully win tomorrows qld election.

Not even close.

Ragnor 31st Oct 2020 18:33

WOW! QLD people are a strange bunch of people. Ah well this freight train crashing will be a good watch when these two idiots send QLD back further in to oblivion. QLD you voted don’t complain in 1yr when more of you are unemployed. AP wanted to do a feel good story at Sea World but they denied her as they didn’t support her as they are set to let 1000 staff go.

Slezy9 31st Oct 2020 19:06


Originally Posted by Ragnor (Post 10916009)
WOW! QLD people are a strange bunch of people. Ah well this freight train crashing will be a good watch when these two idiots send QLD back further in to oblivion. QLD you voted donít complain in 1yr when more of you are unemployed. AP wanted to do a feel good story at Sea World but they denied her as they didnít support her as they are set to let 1000 staff go.

Itís almost like the majority of QLDers support the Premiers policyís.

goodonyamate 31st Oct 2020 19:17


Originally Posted by Slezy9 (Post 10916030)
Itís almost like the majority of QLDers support the Premiers policyís.

Why wouldnít they. As long as the benefits keep flowing in, QLDers will not bother taking the blinkers off. Theyíll just keep expecting the rest of Australia to pick up the tab.

FNQ is farked now. Say goodbye to tourism.

Ragnor 31st Oct 2020 19:38


Originally Posted by Slezy9 (Post 10916030)
Itís almost like the majority of QLDers support the Premiers policyís.

Hey I agree, I guess they do QLD ppl are a very strange bunch. Like I said I hope they donít complain in 12 months time when they are into the hole so far that they canít get out.

Tourist business rejected AP notability Sea World, they didnít want her there as they didnít support her they said QLD is not enough to support their industry. So she was left frolicking on a beach. I hope for their sake she has a plan to help them out for the long term. AJ might be on the money other Aussies fed up with it now they will surely plan to holiday else where. I know I am.

But yes QLD ppl support what she is doing. Letís see how much support she had when JK finishes in March and there is nothing left as borders are closed. As we know she will ďslam it shutĒ if there is one case in regional.

goodonyamate 31st Oct 2020 20:19

What has been becoming more and more evident throughout this, is how spineless the Federal Government are.

Don’t even try and tell me there isn’t a way they could take control.

never been more embarrassed or ashamed to be Australian in my life. in fact ‘Australian’ isn’t even a thing anymore.

Ladloy 31st Oct 2020 20:22


Originally Posted by goodonyamate (Post 10916089)
What has been becoming more and more evident throughout this, is how spineless the Federal Government are.

Donít even try and tell me there isnít a way they could take control.

never been more embarrassed or ashamed to be Australian in my life. in fact ĎAustralianí isnít even a thing anymore.

Even a federal coronavirus plan would be great, let alone border control. Too busy deflecting accusations of corruption

blubak 31st Oct 2020 20:30


Originally Posted by Ragnor (Post 10916009)
WOW! QLD people are a strange bunch of people. Ah well this freight train crashing will be a good watch when these two idiots send QLD back further in to oblivion. QLD you voted donít complain in 1yr when more of you are unemployed. AP wanted to do a feel good story at Sea World but they denied her as they didnít support her as they are set to let 1000 staff go.

I take my hat off to the seaworld owners for not allowing her in,why do we continually buckle to these people that we as tax payers pay for.
They might like to play god & tell us how good they are but more of the public need to stand up to their antics.
There are many that criticise certain journalists for showing no respect to the vic premier,well who cares if hes lying,he & all the other premiers are accountable to the public they represent & they have the option to resign if they dont like being asked for the truth.

Green.Dot 31st Oct 2020 21:34

This Labor win has just proven our theory that those who have been largely unaffected by COVID, (ie not in tourism, hospitality, travel, airlines etc) are unwilling to accept any level of risk to their own little bubble moving forward.

Let hope that if a vaccine comes out it works to some degree!

Global Aviator 31st Oct 2020 22:33


Originally Posted by Green.Dot (Post 10916142)
This Labor win has just proven our theory that those who have been largely unaffected by COVID, (ie not in tourism, hospitality, travel, airlines etc) are unwilling to accept any level of risk to their own little bubble moving forward.

Let hope that if a vaccine comes out it works to some degree!

Yes thats now 2 for 2 with Covid elections.

Ragnor 31st Oct 2020 22:45

Well, we will see WA closed until March to VIC and NSW their 28 day demand will not be met. I really wish Gladys would also play hard ball and only allow NSW resident enter internationally. If you’re QLD, WA, VIC or anywhere else you enter via that state border.

machtuk 31st Oct 2020 22:48

I'm not surprised the heartless Palachook got back in, she rode the Covid bullshit fear wave right up to the sheeples doors to create hysteria , she's one cunning politician!

Australia us such a divided country, there's no unity, that's our biggest issue as a nation!

dr dre 31st Oct 2020 23:12


Originally Posted by machtuk (Post 10916181)
I'm not surprised the heartless Palachook got back in, she rode the Covid bullshit fear wave right up to the sheeples doors to create hysteria , she's one cunning politician!

Australia us such a divided country, there's no unity, that's our biggest issue as a nation!

Get over it. She won fair and square. Itís obvious a majority of people support decisive action controlling this pandemic, as evidenced by this election, the NZ election and Dan Aís and Mark McGís majority opinion support in Vic and WA. The Far right vote collapsed (One Nation abandoned and Cliveís vote non existent) and despite every paper in the state being owned by Murdoch she still prevailed, with an increased vote share.

Donít right wingers criticise lefties for not listening to the ďsilent majorityĒ and labelling their opponents as ďdeplorablesĒ? Youíve basically done the same. When you work with a leader instead of against them and donít insult the voting public youíll probably find youíll be more successful.

Green.Dot 31st Oct 2020 23:16


Originally Posted by dr dre (Post 10916193)
Get over it. She won fair and square. Itís obvious a majority of people support decisive action controlling this pandemic, as evidenced by this election.

I think Machtuk has gotten over it- he even acknowledged she is cunning. We all have to get used to it, this is the new norm in life and politics, like it or not.

Ragnor 31st Oct 2020 23:22

Yes she won democracy is a brilliant thing, just like seniority not perfect but it’s the system we have. Good luck to the state of QLD moving forward I hope you can support your own local tourist industry. So far data has proven otherwise but we will see.

galdian 31st Oct 2020 23:40

Deb Flek lost more than Queen P won - if you can't land a blow when the state's had years of mismanagement, financial decline and ongoing hardship (currently under the excuse of CV19) something's wrong.

So accepting she won the politics one simple Q: is her attitude doing the right thing by the state?? A basic Yes or No will suffice.
The politics is one thing, the direction and future of the state a totally separate matter.

I was thinking of using the word leadership but when you have a one trick pony saying "I saved you all from death, you must vote for me" stuff all leadership to be found IMHO.

On an unrelated topic - any bets on how long before Jackie Trad is found a suitable state government sinecure with appropriate salary/lurks and perks for the life of the government??
I'd guess probably around xmas/new year when the usual dump of releases/statements happens to a populace who are tuned out for the holidays.

Anyhow apparently Queenslanders reckon another 4 years of Queen P's the way to go for the state. :p
God bless 'em, good luck with that. :ok:

C441 31st Oct 2020 23:41


Itís almost like the majority of QLDers support the Premiers policyís.
A quick look at the trends suggests that it is the older demographic who've swung away from the LNP and One Nation towards the perceived safety of last 7 months, particularly in areas like the Sunshine Coast and Hervey Bay. Like all opposition parties in Australia (and probably NZ as well), their ability to be seen and heard was buried in an avalanche of Premier's and CHO's press conferences extolling the virtues of their policy "to keep you Queenslanders (insert other jurisdiction here) safe". Even Albo's federal mob are finding it hard to be heard despite Senate Estimates revelations.

Most elections revolve around the respective leaders but in this almost one-issue poll, the incumbent Premier/PM is always going to have a head start.


Anyhow apparently Queenslanders reckon another 4 years of Queen P's the way to go for the state. https://www.pprune.org/images/smilies/tongue.gif
Whilst not a fan of Annastacia, I do hope she sees out the full term. Even a few months of the smarmy, smirking Deputy Premier being elevated to the top job would be too much.

getaway 1st Nov 2020 01:03


Originally Posted by machtuk (Post 10916181)
I'm not surprised the heartless Palachook got back in, she rode the Covid bullshit fear wave right up to the sheeples doors to create hysteria , she's one cunning politician!

Australia us such a divided country, there's no unity, that's our biggest issue as a nation!

It's pala chuck not chook. In Qld she is known as chukka.

Her father, the former member, was always referred to as pala chuck.

Spin drs thought pala chez sounded less foreign.

Global Aviator 1st Nov 2020 03:10


Originally Posted by Ragnor (Post 10916177)
Well, we will see WA closed until March to VIC and NSW their 28 day demand will not be met. I really wish Gladys would also play hard ball and only allow NSW resident enter internationally. If youíre QLD, WA, VIC or anywhere else you enter via that state border.

In a perfect world people would be able to repatriate directly to their home town. Unfortunately due to the caps it simply canít happen. People will book flights to the first Australian city they can get to. In many cases spending ridiculous amounts of money.

Vic screwed the pooch on quarantine as we all know. Quarantine does right works, nowhere should be afraid of repatriations and quarantine. If done right.

With no international flights to Melbourne or Darwin (apart from the Gov saving the day flights) that makes it impossible for people to fly to where they live if thatís home.

Ragnor 1st Nov 2020 03:26

Nope, they should repatriate to their home state, thats their elected leader to raise the cap to allow them to been almost 8 months now time for other states to do their bit and stop hiding behind their false achievements. QLD, WA, TAS all took the easy options, as AP has said NSW is a bees d!ck away from an outbreak lets not let it get to that. NSW should not be left with the bill of residents of other states. I understand they pay for hotel, but NSW picks the tab up for testing, supply of law enforcement, bus hire the list goes on.

Global Aviator 1st Nov 2020 03:55


Originally Posted by Ragnor (Post 10916297)
Nope, they should repatriate to their home state, thats their elected leader to raise the cap to allow them to been almost 8 months now time for other states to do their bit and stop hiding behind their false achievements. QLD, WA, TAS all took the easy options, as AP has said NSW is a bees d!ck away from an outbreak lets not let it get to that. NSW should not be left with the bill of residents of other states. I understand they pay for hotel, but NSW picks the tab up for testing, supply of law enforcement, bus hire the list goes on.

I agree 100%, fact is though it is not possible. Iíve had many friends trying to come home, 3,4,5,6,+ cancelled flights, bit the bullet and pay for a first class or business class ticket to increase the chances. Still flights cancelled. Hence why people will jump on a flight to anywhere possible, you canít blame the person.

The government or rather lack of unity in government has caused this mess. One must quarantine where one lands, the only exception the very few international transits that can be approved. It is a cluster fcuk of huge proportions. The general Aussie doesnít realise how bad the situation is. There are over 30,000 still registered with DFAT wanting to come home. Who knows the real numbers with not everyone registered with DFAT.

States are the ones who decide the caps not the feds, hence it is even more of a cluster. There is little unity, we have all seen it in the media, leaders blaming ScoMo and the other way around. Whoís on first?

Ragnor 1st Nov 2020 04:17

I understand that. My point is, if Premiers want to spruce about keeping their residents “safe” well, the rules should change to reflect. NSW residents can only book a flight bound to Sydney. QLD residents can only book for Brisbane and Perth etc. I bet the mantra will change. End of the day why is Gladys worried about QLD, WA SA residents stuck over seas she doesn’t need their vote we all know Covid is now a political machine.

Ladloy 1st Nov 2020 04:21

NSW now has the most active cases out of any state.

Global Aviator 1st Nov 2020 04:23


Originally Posted by Ragnor (Post 10916306)
I understand that. My point is, if Premiers want to spruce about keeping their residents ďsafeĒ well, the rules should change to reflect. NSW residents can only book a flight bound to Sydney. QLD residents can only book for Brisbane and Perth etc. I bet the mantra will change. End of the day why is Gladys worried about QLD, WA SA residents stuck over seas she doesnít need their vote we all know Covid is now a political machine.

I agree with you. If only everything was perfect. Not only do people have to pay huge airfares to go where they donít want to go, when they get out itís another airfare and more travel......

Straya!

Ragnor 1st Nov 2020 04:40


Originally Posted by Ladloy (Post 10916308)
NSW now has the most active cases out of any state.

And that is why each state resident needs to fly directly to their capital city, of the cap is to low email your local MP and raise the issue, all other state residents go on our tally makes us look bad when in fact NSW is doing the best by a country mile.

jrfsp 1st Nov 2020 04:45


Originally Posted by Ragnor (Post 10916306)
I understand that. My point is, if Premiers want to spruce about keeping their residents ďsafeĒ well, the rules should change to reflect. NSW residents can only book a flight bound to Sydney. QLD residents can only book for Brisbane and Perth etc. I bet the mantra will change. End of the day why is Gladys worried about QLD, WA SA residents stuck over seas she doesnít need their vote we all know Covid is now a political machine.

And how does that work, when for instance, from the USA, can only fly into NSW? ACT, TAS, NT dont have any international flights....

Ragnor 1st Nov 2020 04:58

They can take it up with their member of parliament. At this stage I only care NSW residents fly in to Sydney to keep them safe.


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