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michigan j 22nd Sep 2020 00:31

Excerpt from Crikey.com

For a start, there’s the obvious inconsistency. If you test positive to COVID-19, you are asked to quarantine at home. That is, the Australian government trusts you to do the right thing. By contrast, if you are returning from overseas and test negative, you are still required to stay in a three-star hotel for 14 days.

Up until July, this was all at taxpayer expense (Victoria and ACT have not yet stipulated any costs for returning travellers, but theses states are also not currently accepting international flights).
So to clarify: if you test positive to COVID, please stay home. If you happen to come from another country and test negative to COVID, you’re staying at the Rydges for two weeks.
It’s also baffling that, unlike other countries such as Singapore, the Australian government treats residents returning from every country the same way. If you come from India (92,000 cases per day) you are subject to the exact same requirements as if you came from Vietnam (one case per day).

Moreover, the quarantine period is excessively long. While the virus’ incubation period does extend to 14 days, the median time for symptoms to present is around five days. Taiwan, the gold standard of COVID management, requires only five days of quarantine for those returning from low-risk countries.

Then there’s the other issue: as Victoria showed, hotel quarantine is far from foolproof. It relies on a number of checks and balances and human intervention (not to mention, it’s expensive — travellers are charged around $3000 for the stay). While Victoria was the high watermark of incompetence, it certainly was not alone — NSW and WA have also had their own hotel quarantine issues.

Given Australia has (rightly or wrongly) pursued a policy of elimination, it would make far more sense to allow returning travellers to quarantine at home under strict conditions.

The most obvious would be to require a negative test: provide a rapid test upon return and then utilise a location tracker like electronic ankle tags (or the Singapore/Canada model, which involves check-ins via phone). If a person under home quarantine breaches quarantine (or has a guest in their residence), they would be heavily fined ($10,000+) and forced to spend three weeks in a hotel. Random in-person checks could also be used.

Chronic Snoozer 22nd Sep 2020 01:13


Originally Posted by michigan j (Post 10889983)
Excerpt from Crikey.com

For a start, there’s the obvious inconsistency. If you test positive to COVID-19, you are asked to quarantine at home. That is, the Australian government trusts you to do the right thing. By contrast, if you are returning from overseas and test negative, you are still required to stay in a three-star hotel for 14 days.

Up until July, this was all at taxpayer expense (Victoria and ACT have not yet stipulated any costs for returning travellers, but theses states are also not currently accepting international flights).
So to clarify: if you test positive to COVID, please stay home. If you happen to come from another country and test negative to COVID, you’re staying at the Rydges for two weeks.
It’s also baffling that, unlike other countries such as Singapore, the Australian government treats residents returning from every country the same way. If you come from India (92,000 cases per day) you are subject to the exact same requirements as if you came from Vietnam (one case per day).

Moreover, the quarantine period is excessively long. While the virus’ incubation period does extend to 14 days, the median time for symptoms to present is around five days. Taiwan, the gold standard of COVID management, requires only five days of quarantine for those returning from low-risk countries.

Then there’s the other issue: as Victoria showed, hotel quarantine is far from foolproof. It relies on a number of checks and balances and human intervention (not to mention, it’s expensive — travellers are charged around $3000 for the stay). While Victoria was the high watermark of incompetence, it certainly was not alone — NSW and WA have also had their own hotel quarantine issues.

Given Australia has (rightly or wrongly) pursued a policy of elimination, it would make far more sense to allow returning travellers to quarantine at home under strict conditions.

The most obvious would be to require a negative test: provide a rapid test upon return and then utilise a location tracker like electronic ankle tags (or the Singapore/Canada model, which involves check-ins via phone). If a person under home quarantine breaches quarantine (or has a guest in their residence), they would be heavily fined ($10,000+) and forced to spend three weeks in a hotel. Random in-person checks could also be used.

No returning Australian resident or citizen should be paying for quarantine. Forcing a family of four, through no fault of their own, to spring for ~5K in accommodation costs is just un-Australian. Just divert some of those millions slated for ‘carbon capture’ BS. The government has seriously messed up priorities.

Edited to correct gross estimation of accommodation costs.

rattman 22nd Sep 2020 03:01


Originally Posted by Chronic Snoozer (Post 10889993)
to spring for 12K in accommodation costs is just un-Australian.

I am assuming you just guessed that number ! In queensland a family of 4, 2 adults and 2 children costs $4,620. Thats not even close to the number you made up.

Edit thats in a serviced apartment not a hotel

Chronic Snoozer 22nd Sep 2020 03:26


Originally Posted by rattman (Post 10890020)
I am assuming you just guessed that number ! In queensland a family of 4, 2 adults and 2 children costs $4,620. Thats not even close to the number you made up.

Edit thats in a serviced apartment not a hotel

Yeah. My bad. About 5K. On top of the thousands of dollars for a flight for four people - make up what number you wish. It sucks.

michigan j 22nd Sep 2020 07:33


Originally Posted by rattman (Post 10890020)

Edit thats in a serviced apartment not a hotel

You get to choose?

rattman 22nd Sep 2020 07:46


Originally Posted by michigan j (Post 10890103)
You get to choose?

No ! singles and couples are put into hotel rooms, family group with adults and minors are put into a hotels with multiple rooms or serviced apartments dpending what is available at the time. You dont get a choice you get what is given but they have (in brisbane) some serviced apartments for a families with minors if you get lucky

(edited in exclamation point for it to make sense)

C441 22nd Sep 2020 08:32


Originally Posted by rattman (Post 10890106)
No singles and couples are put into hotel rooms,Ö...

You missed a full stop.
No. Singles and couples are put into hotel rooms.

rattman 22nd Sep 2020 11:24


Originally Posted by C441 (Post 10890121)
You missed a full stop.
No. Singles and couples are put into hotel rooms.


Ahh yeah actually meant and exclamation mark there, but yes you are correct I will edit it

Stickshift3000 23rd Sep 2020 01:06


Originally Posted by michigan j (Post 10890103)
You get to choose?

Only if youíre a celebrityí or professional sports player (or associated by work with said sports player) :O

Ragnor 26th Sep 2020 05:16

NSW still killing their pandemic control plan Zero cases today, wonder if Queen P will be to proud to change her plan!

KRviator 26th Sep 2020 05:19

Of course not. She hasn't been re-elected yet! See what happens in 5 weeks.....

Xeptu 27th Sep 2020 10:43

Did you miss me turnleft, you're allowed out of your room now.

Square Bear 29th Sep 2020 11:59

JobKeeper and JobSeeker payments reduced....now letís see the States reaction and say it is based on ďMedical AdviceĒ.

Stickshift3000 29th Sep 2020 14:02


Originally Posted by Square Bear (Post 10894747)
JobKeeper and JobSeeker payments reduced....now letís see the States reaction and say it is based on ďMedical AdviceĒ.

Agreed. The Ďhardí borders are already starting to soften.

michigan j 30th Sep 2020 06:41

Being a rumour network, I heard someone from a charter org asking the NT chief minister whats the deal because he cant get permission to fly into Darwin from international locations. The chief minister said that Darwin is only taking international students and farm workers from international locations.

Seems a bit rough to deny charters carrying Australians, but allow farm workers and students (but only if not Australian)

Bad Adventures 30th Sep 2020 07:09

I hope all these power tripping Labour Premiers get thrown out on their arses come election time for keeping these borders closed. Itís a disgrace!

currawong 30th Sep 2020 08:59


Originally Posted by Bad Adventures (Post 10895221)
I hope all these power tripping Labour Premiers get thrown out on their arses come election time for keeping these borders closed. Itís a disgrace!

Victoria isn't closed....

Do you think he should keep his job?

Every other state/ territory is restricted, regardless of the politics of the premier.

On the advice of a non aligned Chief Medical or Health Officer.

Only one border is closed to outbound traffic though...

https://www.interstatequarantine.org...rder-closures/

Ladloy 30th Sep 2020 09:18


Originally Posted by Bad Adventures (Post 10895221)
I hope all these power tripping Labour Premiers get thrown out on their arses come election time for keeping these borders closed. Itís a disgrace!

What about tassy?
Gladys closed the border to Vic, not the other way round.

jrfsp 30th Sep 2020 09:23


Originally Posted by Bad Adventures (Post 10895221)
I hope all these power tripping Labour Premiers get thrown out on their arses come election time for keeping these borders closed. Itís a disgrace!

Mark McGowan is likely to win by the largest majority ever.....the WA population support the border closure by something like 93%.

CaptCloudbuster 30th Sep 2020 09:29


Originally Posted by currawong (Post 10895287)
Do you think he should keep his job?

768 deaths and more than 18,000 infections, Yeah / Nah

dr dre 30th Sep 2020 09:46


Originally Posted by jrfsp (Post 10895301)
Mark McGowan is likely to win by the largest majority ever.....the WA population support the border closure by something like 93%.

Polls taken when Victoria was getting several hundred cases per day, and then when under a strict lockdown. When the eastern states are opening up and travelling without lockdowns by December then polls may change very quickly.

I think no one expected Victoria to get their situation under control this quickly (thanks Dictator Dan!), so maybe the WA government thought Victoria will still be in trouble for the rest of the year. And for a while it looked like NSW were on the cusp of a Victorian style outbreak too. Now with Victoria driving cases numbers down hard they should where NSW/Qld are today in about a month. So on track for eastern states re-opening in December. If thereís no trouble then it could be a political disadvantage if the border is still closed for another 3 months. So preparations may have to be made to shadow the East coast re-openings by a few weeks. Contact tracers being recruited en masse in WA now.

Iíve heard rumblings about a potential early December re-opening. Fits in well with the High Court trial.

I think the key is to wait until October 26 when most Melbourne lockdown restrictions lifted, if the cases are stilling trending toward zero itíll make a good case in order for all borders to be open by Christmas.

For some light reading hereís a Grattan Institute document explaining the reasons why aiming for zero cases is an achievable goal and the best option, and how that can be achieved this year:

Go for zero: How Australia can get to zero COVID-19 cases

SOPS 30th Sep 2020 10:21

Iím a Liberal voter. However in the next WA election, for the first time in my life.. I will vote Labor. ( Would never do it for a federal election).

I will be surprised if the Libs get 3 seats in the lower house at the next WA election.

currawong 30th Sep 2020 11:24

I would contend that the advice that each premier received would have been the same regardless of their colour.

Would not want to be the premier explaining why they disregarded that medical advice when the inevitable inquiry/royal commission comes about.

Very hard position for opposition politics to argue "disregard the medical advice".

This thing has been a poison chalice for all sides of politics.

Personally, I think divisive reporting and frankly kooky bloggers are making hard work out of a pretty straightforward exercise.

This thing will be over soon. Right now we, Australia, are looking pretty good compared to elsewhere.

ruprecht 30th Sep 2020 11:42


Originally Posted by currawong (Post 10895415)
This thing will be over soon.

Define ďsoonĒ. :confused:

currawong 30th Sep 2020 11:57


Originally Posted by ruprecht (Post 10895430)
Define ďsoonĒ. :confused:

Very fair point. "Over" is probably a relative term too...

As I see it, cases are zeroing out. We are headed into summer, airbourne pathogens don't tend to do well outside of winter.

Vaccines are close. Entirely possible before our next winter when case numbers can be expected to rise again.

With the bottoming out of case numbers, borders will open. Border exemption areas are already expanding.

We are looking in good shape.

Much of the northern hemisphere though are facing surging numbers on the way into winter. Not good shape.

With care, over in Australia. With caveats.

Xeptu 30th Sep 2020 12:22


Originally Posted by ruprecht (Post 10895430)
Define ďsoonĒ. :confused:

Earlier than Later

aviation_enthus 30th Sep 2020 18:05


Originally Posted by currawong (Post 10895444)
Very fair point. "Over" is probably a relative term too...

As I see it, cases are zeroing out. We are headed into summer, airbourne pathogens don't tend to do well outside of winter.

Vaccines are close. Entirely possible before our next winter when case numbers can be expected to rise again.

With the bottoming out of case numbers, borders will open. Border exemption areas are already expanding.

We are looking in good shape.

Much of the northern hemisphere though are facing surging numbers on the way into winter. Not good shape.

With care, over in Australia. With caveats.

A few issues.....

- most vaccines fail in Phase 3. So just because the Oxford etc vaccines have made it this far means jack as far as it actually passing into production.

- itís all well and good having said vaccine pass stage 3 and enter production. But have you actually seen the production rates available? Even in China, with 5-6 vaccines in development, it would take them over 12 months using ALL their production facilities to produce enough for their entire population. So best case will probably take 12-24 months to see meaningful coverage from a vaccine that enters production.

- ďwith careĒ, with all due respect to any Victorians, the two things required to keep COVID out of the community inAustralia (good quarantine and contact tracing), have both been shown to be woefully done in that state. Thereís a significant chance that Vic Health still wonít have learnt their lesson to avoid a repeat occurrence happening at some point in the next 6 months. On top of this, Iíd argue the QLD and WA tracing systems have not been properly tested yet as theyíve had no significant outbreaks from the quarantine system. NSW has had multiple security guards test positive but they still managed to keep a lid on it, so Iíd have confidence in their abilities.

blubak 30th Sep 2020 21:43


Originally Posted by CaptCloudbuster (Post 10895303)
768 deaths and more than 18,000 infections, Yeah / Nah

Forget about what party he stands for,vote on the performance.
People need to take their blinkers off & decide if the service was good,just the same as buying a product or a service,if you were happy go there again,if not take the business elsewhere.
I really cant believe people vote for a political party based on the name of it & refuse to even concede that anything wrong has been done.

Turnleft080 5th Oct 2020 13:54

https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/country/uk
https://www.worldometers.info/corona...country/france
https://www.worldometers.info/corona...ountry/germany
https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/country/italy
https://www.worldometers.info/corona...ountry/sweden/

About 3 weeks ago we were all wondering how the deaths would match up against the massive increase of cases in Europe.
Three weeks is up and deaths have still flatlined which now must prove one thing. This virus loves to attack people with infected tissue. First wave.
If you don't have any infected tissue i.e. (healthy people) you will only come asymptomatic as shown on the above graphs. Second wave.
Even without a vaccine this virus will fade away just like mers/sars as viruses were meant too. If their is no longer
infected tissue (not so healthy people) to infect the virus will become week and fade.
As for USA/Brazil/Iran/Israel they still look like their in the first wave.
Lockdowns only flatten the curve (government controlled) they cannot eradicate. Europe has just proven that.
You will always get a cluster here and there. Why? It needs to spread and infect healthy tissue before it fades.
As I said moons ago lockdowns only prolong the virus.

So if we get another pandemic do you think we have learnt anything. More importantly have the governments of this world
learnt anything. Stupid stupid question of course. Maybe, just maybe, they should try to lockdown all age care and those with infected tissue and leave the
economy open i.e. don't burn 500 billion for nothing. Let it rip through the young generation no one will hardly go to hospital because they
have all dosed up on Vit D ( don't let the WHO or the pharmaceutical companies know about this because they will get very upset) and hay presto
virus gone in 3 months. Isn't that right Mr Sutton and Daniel Sun.


highflyer40 5th Oct 2020 14:29


Originally Posted by Turnleft080 (Post 10898582)
https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/country/uk
https://www.worldometers.info/corona...country/france
https://www.worldometers.info/corona...ountry/germany
https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/country/italy
https://www.worldometers.info/corona...ountry/sweden/

About 3 weeks ago we were all wondering how the deaths would match up against the massive increase of cases in Europe.
Three weeks is up and deaths have still flatlined which now must prove one thing. This virus loves to attack people with infected tissue. First wave.
If you don't have any infected tissue i.e. (healthy people) you will only come asymptomatic as shown on the above graphs. Second wave.
Even without a vaccine this virus will fade away just like mers/sars as viruses were meant too. If their is no longer
infected tissue (not so healthy people) to infect the virus will become week and fade.
As for USA/Brazil/Iran/Israel they still look like their in the first wave.
Lockdowns only flatten the curve (government controlled) they cannot eradicate. Europe has just proven that.
You will always get a cluster here and there. Why? It needs to spread and infect healthy tissue before it fades.
As I said moons ago lockdowns only prolong the virus.

So if we get another pandemic do you think we have learnt anything. More importantly have the governments of this world
learnt anything. Stupid stupid question of course. Maybe, just maybe, they should try to lockdown all age care and those with infected tissue and leave the
economy open i.e. don't burn 500 billion for nothing. Let it rip through the young generation no one will hardly go to hospital because they
have all dosed up on Vit D ( don't let the WHO or the pharmaceutical companies know about this because they will get very upset) and hay presto
virus gone in 3 months. Isn't that right Mr Sutton and Daniel Sun.

:ugh:.. ..




Transition Layer 5th Oct 2020 15:22


Originally Posted by SOPS (Post 10895350)
Iím a Liberal voter. However in the next WA election, for the first time in my life.. I will vote Labor. ( Would never do it for a federal election).

I will be surprised if the Libs get 3 seats in the lower house at the next WA election.

Why the change of heart? Do you honestly think McGowan has done the right thing?

He took the easy zero risk option, but was it the best one?

getaway 6th Oct 2020 01:49


Originally Posted by Turnleft080 (Post 10898582)

About 3 weeks ago we were all wondering how the deaths would match up against the massive increase of cases in Europe.
Three weeks is up and deaths have still flatlined which now must prove one thing. This virus loves to attack people with infected tissue. First wave.
If you don't have any infected tissue i.e. (healthy people) you will only come asymptomatic as shown on the above graphs. Second wave.
Even without a vaccine this virus will fade away just like mers/sars as viruses were meant too. If their is no longer
infected tissue (not so healthy people) to infect the virus will become week and fade.
As for USA/Brazil/Iran/Israel they still look like their in the first wave.
Lockdowns only flatten the curve (government controlled) they cannot eradicate. Europe has just proven that.
You will always get a cluster here and there. Why? It needs to spread and infect healthy tissue before it fades.
As I said moons ago lockdowns only prolong the virus.

So if we get another pandemic do you think we have learnt anything. More importantly have the governments of this world
learnt anything. Stupid stupid question of course. Maybe, just maybe, they should try to lockdown all age care and those with infected tissue and leave the
economy open i.e. don't burn 500 billion for nothing. Let it rip through the young generation no one will hardly go to hospital because they
have all dosed up on Vit D ( don't let the WHO or the pharmaceutical companies know about this because they will get very upset) and hay presto
virus gone in 3 months. Isn't that right Mr Sutton and Daniel Sun.

spot on turn left.

You've got to wonder, who's been running the show. Have lawyers been saying to govts, if you don't lock down, you'll be sued left, right & centre, when someone dies.

dr dre 6th Oct 2020 06:00


Originally Posted by Transition Layer (Post 10898615)
Why the change of heart? Do you honestly think McGowan has done the right thing?

He took the easy zero risk option, but was it the best one?

One could say as we live in a democracy and going off his polls, probably???

Although interstate and international aviation is suffering out of WA, intrastate isnít. Thereís been a boom in local tourism and buying of local goods, especially luxury goods. Boat sales in booming. The economy isnít suffering too bad, unemployment dropped and itís a fair bet there arenít as many Jobkeeper recipients in WA compared to the rest. There probably is a fairly good argument to keep border restrictions in WA a few months longer to make sure it doesnít get into our vulnerable indigenous communities. But I do understand the family separation issues and overall national picture, and hope the interstate borders re-open prior to yearís end too. WA was generally being put back on an OK track by McGowan after the Colon Barnett downturn. He deserves credit for not buckling to the Feds when they wanted to disembark that plague ship in Freo as well.

So as in any election we then look at the alternative, Liza Harvey? I donít think even Liberal party supporters want her anywhere near the Premierís office, thatís assuming more than 10% know who she is. She was only put into the job to cop the inevitable first election loss anyway. The state Libs have virtually nothing to offer and are on track to be wiped out at the next poll. The worst problem for those wanting the interstate border to open was having Clive Palmer front and centre calling for them to open. I bet quite a few people probably wanted the border shut just to keep him out.

neville_nobody 6th Oct 2020 06:58


Although interstate and international aviation is suffering out of WA, intrastate isnít. Thereís been a boom in local tourism and buying of local goods, especially luxury goods. Boat sales in booming. The economy isnít suffering too bad, unemployment dropped and itís a fair bet there arenít as many Jobkeeper recipients in WA compared to the rest. There probably is a fairly good argument to keep border restrictions in WA a few months longer to make sure it doesnít get into our vulnerable indigenous communities. But I do understand the family separation issues and overall national picture, and hope the interstate borders re-open prior to yearís end too. WA was generally being put back on an OK track by McGowan after the Colon Barnett downturn. He deserves credit for not buckling to the Feds when they wanted to disembark that plague ship in Freo as well.

So as in any election we then look at the alternative, Liza Harvey? I donít think even Liberal party supporters want her anywhere near the Premierís office, thatís assuming more than 10% know who she is. She was only put into the job to cop the inevitable first election loss anyway. The state Libs have virtually nothing to offer and are on track to be wiped out at the next poll. The worst problem for those wanting the interstate border to open was having Clive Palmer front and centre calling for them to open. I bet quite a few people probably wanted the border shut just to keep him out.
That's wonderful and all however there is the issue of the constitution. If the East Coast is no longer in Pandemic then the WA Government has to open the border. In reality they should be open to most of Australia already. Sooner or later the WA Labor Party might have to realise they are not running a Communist Dictatorship and are beholden to a few rules that govern the whole country.

3 Holer 6th Oct 2020 07:05


Originally Posted by neville_nobody (Post 10898994)
............. Sooner or later the WA Labor Party might have to realise they are not running a Communist Dictatorship and are beholden to a few rules that govern the whole country.

Tell that to the Victorian Labor Party. Only difference is WA booming under their Dictatorship whereas Victoria is dying a very slow death.

Joker89 6th Oct 2020 10:10



KRviator 6th Oct 2020 10:26

Two Hundred and thirteen BILLION dollars.

That's the budget deficit this year - a stunning turnaround from the projected $5 billion surplus forecast before we locked down the countries towns, cities and state borders.


Value of Statistical Life
Based on international and Australian research a credible estimate of the value of statistical life is $4.9m and the value of statistical life year is $213,000 in 2019 dollars.
A key concept is the value of a statistical life (VSL) which is an estimate of the value society places on reducing the risk of dying. By convention the life is assumed to be the life of a young adult with at least 40 years of life ahead. Source
So, how many people would we have needed to get "value for money" out of the $200B deficit? 43,469. But hang on a minute...That's "young adults with 40 years ahead of them".

The median age of COVID deaths in Australia remains 86. According to the Australian Institute of Health & Welfare, an 85 year old male in 2018 can expect to live to 91.4, a female to 92.5, so average it out to 92 years (Source). So that's what, 6 years longer than the average COVID death. So how many people would need to be saved to get value for money with those figures? 166,666 senior citizens would need to be "saved" to justify the cost of our current budget deficit.

Anybody really think we "got out money's worth"?

currawong 6th Oct 2020 12:53


Originally Posted by Turnleft080 (Post 10898582)
https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/country/uk
https://www.worldometers.info/corona...country/france
https://www.worldometers.info/corona...ountry/germany
https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/country/italy
https://www.worldometers.info/corona...ountry/sweden/

About 3 weeks ago we were all wondering how the deaths would match up against the massive increase of cases in Europe.
Three weeks is up and deaths have still flatlined which now must prove one thing. This virus loves to attack people with infected tissue. First wave.
If you don't have any infected tissue i.e. (healthy people) you will only come asymptomatic as shown on the above graphs. Second wave.
Even without a vaccine this virus will fade away just like mers/sars as viruses were meant too. If their is no longer
infected tissue (not so healthy people) to infect the virus will become week and fade.
As for USA/Brazil/Iran/Israel they still look like their in the first wave.
Lockdowns only flatten the curve (government controlled) they cannot eradicate. Europe has just proven that.
You will always get a cluster here and there. Why? It needs to spread and infect healthy tissue before it fades.
As I said moons ago lockdowns only prolong the virus.

So if we get another pandemic do you think we have learnt anything. More importantly have the governments of this world
learnt anything. Stupid stupid question of course. Maybe, just maybe, they should try to lockdown all age care and those with infected tissue and leave the
economy open i.e. don't burn 500 billion for nothing. Let it rip through the young generation no one will hardly go to hospital because they
have all dosed up on Vit D ( don't let the WHO or the pharmaceutical companies know about this because they will get very upset) and hay presto
virus gone in 3 months. Isn't that right Mr Sutton and Daniel Sun.

:confused:

Have you actually looked at the graphs you linked?

Deaths quadrupled in the UK over the 21 day period, in line with the increase in cases.

Make it easy on yourself and hit the 7 day moving average option...

Joker89 6th Oct 2020 13:04


Originally Posted by currawong (Post 10899163)
:confused:

Have you actually looked at the graphs you linked?

Deaths quadrupled in the UK over the 21 day period, in line with the increase in cases.

Make it easy on yourself and hit the 7 day moving average option...

really, to me the deaths curve and the cases curve look nothing like the first wave.

currawong 6th Oct 2020 13:20


Originally Posted by Joker89 (Post 10899171)
really, to me the deaths curve and the cases curve look nothing like the first wave.

I would agree. Hard reliable data was difficult at that time.

Early on 1 in 4 tests were positive in the UK. Only the sickest got tested. Both of which skewed their data badly.

If more tests = more positives, UK should have peaked at the end of July.

https://ourworldindata.org/coronavir...pickerSort=asc


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