I like Dr John.

He seems far more concerned about the upswing in cases than yourself.

He will also tell you less than a quarter of the cases in the UK "first wave" were detected.

One reason the UK case fatality rate is so much higher that our own.

https://ourworldindata.org/coronavir...pickerSort=asc

While it would not have been a $213B black hole, only a fairy and Santa would believe it was going to be a surplus.

P.S pretty much the World was/is in lock down - that would have & continue to impact Australia's deficit/surplus bottom line.

Yes.........

Will Queen P with the election people! Have QLD ppl woken up to her and that idiot SM.

Here is todays odd spot.
Cases in NSW registered 12 while in VIC they reached 11. All of NSW remains totally open while Melbourne remains
in stage 4 lockdown, metro in a ring of steel, 5km limited, masked and mentally broken.
Meanwhile the lady in QLD is telling the lady in NSW you have 48 hours or else.
Place these two on the stage it would be more entertaining than the debate we had last week.

What part of VIC was having 700 cases a day just last month don't you realise?

It’s the garlic....

“All of NSW remains totally open”

Totally wrong !!

Try driving from Victoria into NSW. Can’t be done except for small border areas and requires a permit.

Even NSW residents in regional Victoria (most areas have had no cases for months) can’t get into NSW unless they quarantine in Sydney.

According to the NSW COVID-19 helpline, NSW has no / none / zilch roadmap as to when they’ll open up to people in Victoria

Wrong context.
Everyone in NSW can move about at will throughout NSW, even though there were more cases in NSW than VIC and the Victorians remain prisoners in their own homes...

Oh! Morno. Don't be ridiculous. You must be silenced immediately. Do you really think a product like garlic that's been protecting the human race for the last 5000 years
from all sort of diseases is going to protect you today. As head of the pharacutical industry the idea of garlic and while I'm at it Zinc and Vit D is just preposterous.
In a pandemic, the idea is to make a lot of money and I mean a lot of money with expensive drugs, not with regular shopping at your local green grocery.

Did I miss something? When did this happen?

NSW did not have more cases than VIC you guys are reading the stats all wrong. NSW has 8 cases today as 4 are returned international travelers already in hotel quarantine.

Saw her on tv yesterday talking about investing into some hydrogen project.
She looked the part in her open neck mens shirt & using her 2 new words'for example' many times,she must have been up all night learning them.
Wonder what the tourism operators who are on the brink of collapse thought about her investment in hydrogen🤦‍♀️

KRviator

In that context, ALL states & territories are totally open

Melburnians being the only exception

No one is arguing any different, where are you going with this?

TL080 made the point NSW registered more cases than Victoria, though granted 4 of them were in hotel quarantine, and from memory 3 were from the previous day added to the current days tally, but nonetheless, the "count" for that day exceeded Victoria, yet they are still the ones in lockdown.

I don't necessarily agree with TL080 on this one, as it should only be community transmission that counts, the 4 cases NSW had in hotel quarantine aren't relevant to the lockdown/don't lockdown decision.

Given the constant chopping and changing of new cases being detected of Covid-19 it seems fruitless to continue to guess or hope for border re openings in Australia.

Even the Premiers can't agree on a formula and rather they all seem hell bent on protecting their political future rather than the well being of this Country both physically and financially.

Short of a vaccine being discovered really soon I cannot see ALL of the borders in this country opening for at least another 6 months, maybe one or two but WA will remain stuck in it's sandpit for a long time.

The prospect of a vaccine soon does not seem very likely so I guess we will just have to try and sit this out difficult as it is.

Our country desperately needs it's airlines flying fully again and people travelling unhindered as soon as possible as it's a very big part of the economy.

Fingers crossed for this elusive vaccine!!!!

What a splendid day at Spring street today. Just a brilliant solid innings that. The journalists bowled leg breaks, googlies, yorkers, bouncers
and Dan Andrews played them with contempt and beautiful judgment. The deflecting behind the wicket was measurable.
He remains on 99 not out and tomorrow when play resumes at 11am he will play a off drive down to mid off for a magnificent
century. Never in the history of politics has this occurred. It doesn't get to be any better than that. He has laid the foundations
and now will have his eye in set for his double hundred by Christmas.

Time to take the second new ball and bring out that devastating quick The Constitution for a bit chin music just before the close of play. I would imagine he will easily get two or three quick wickets but whether the Federal Government will bring him on and drop it in short is the question.

About time this country was put back to the way it was envisioned.

"About time this country was put back to the way it was envisioned."

Penal colony?

:}

Are you in Victoria too?

I thought I drag my quote down from July 14. Good to see the WHO drongos catching up.
Dan following his commo lockdown model for the past 10 weeks is about to have more raw egg splashed all over him.
Having just said that Dan's right hand man has just quit. Chris Eccles. Slowly but surely Dan's government is falling apart.
Next on the chopping block.

Gladys should probably stand up in the box right now, resign and walk out of the Court and never be seen again....
In deep $hit

And so one of the only Leaders in the country who seems to have any capacity to handle COVID and the interests of the economy at the same time could potentially be walking.

You couldn’t make this script up if you tried!!:ugh:

Andrews is deep in it now,its so obvious now he knows his cover has been blown wide open by Eccles resigning.
Credlin has all the facts again,she is so composed.

Yes you could, Berejiklian isn’t the first NSW Liberal leader this decade who’s corruption was exposed at ICAC....

I’ll be doing my bit to vote the QLD clown out.

Corrupt how? Can you substantiate your comment?

Her testimony was purely there on a personal level due to phone taps as was said at the end of her testimony if you watched it and not as an investigative one. She is not being incriminated at all in the male MPs corrupt Allegations.

Her knowledge of a corrupt MP she was sleeping with if you want to be exact. I know the actions of some leaders lately (Trump comes to mind) have made folks numb to how a proper leader should morally act, but generally if you lead a party and a state you shouldn’t be secretly getting under the covers with someone who you would undoubtedly know is corrupt, it comprises your integrity and leadership. She pretty much lied to ICAC (don’t forget, it’s an Independent Commission) ver having no knowledge of a company her “friend” had corrupt dealings with, yet phone recordings revealed her an her “friend” openly discussing it. There’s also been some interesting stuff revealed by some decent investigators about her and Barilaro’s land management rorts. Barry O’Farrell resigned for less.

You might want to be a little bit careful there Dr Dre....whilst the Premier has said she had a close personal relationship with the MP, she has stated that it was not intimate.

Thus your comment she slept with a corrupt MP may be off the mark....and in the light of the Premiers statement, makes your assumption and statement quite presumptuous, opening you up to what Tony Abbott was accused of, for a much less accusation.

Moral is.....never comment on the virtue of a Lady, it is quite simply unbecoming.

I’m sure most of us here have had sexual relationships that weren’t intimate :}

True, but I think they're talking about having it with another person TL.....

Not entirely correct Dre! I watched the ICAC testimony as it was televised her testimony was cut by ICAC as she was leading into graphic personal details, what that is we will never know but you can speculate.
The man in questions phone, emails and all forms of communications were tapped for sometime. ICAC didn’t even know GB involvement until she called him. His dealings were never discussed on the phone with her she was telling the truth when she said she didn’t discuss the dealings few text messages that meant nothing only one on selling a particular property other than that she has done nothing wrong criminally. Morally well that’s for you and others to judge.
When the main person gets interviewed tomorrow that will be a show to watch (Wednesday)
She is the best premier in the country at the moment I hope she survives, her party is appearing to support her but external pressures could become to great. The next week will tell.

Labor or Liberal diehards- who gives a fcvk right now? Let’s deal with COVID and pick the best leaders for the job.

If you could clone Gladys or Dan to run all the other states I know which one I would chose.

Time to make some more popcorn

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2020-10-...chdog/12748400

I know, it’s a mess right. Queen P was always going to win anyway QLD silly enough to give her a run again.

Well played :D

Sutton says Victoria is the hardest place for trace contact. That's coming from him a prof.
Then contact tracing in the slums of Brazil, Afghanistan, India would be much easier then.

We will maintain the lockdown according to the science and highest medical advice.
Note they have never disclosed this so called fantastic science and medical advice or the
brilliant model we work on. What about the yesterday's statement from the WHO, that lockdowns were meant
to bend the curve only. After that you contact trace. All to hard apparently, just lock it down so much easier.

https://www.worldometers.info/corona...try/australia/

The graph shows about a month ago lockdown should of ended.
Again today, VIC 13 cases, fully lockdown stage 4, compulsory masks
and NSW, 12 cases, fully open, no lockdown where a mask if you wish.
And I heard on 3aw today that a lady broke the 5km rule and actually went 6km
to get to the IGA shopping centre. Not a good enough excuse I'm afraid, that will be $1652 mam.
The talk back is starting to get angry now. Don't hold your breath for Sunday.

Whilst I agree that your lockdowns are overtly punitive you can’t compare the numbers of NSW v Vic today. 6 out of the 13 were overseas travellers in hotel quarantine. Of the remaining 7, 5 were in one household and 2 were reported yesterday but included in today’s numbers and all linked to existing clusters.

It diminishes an argument completely when the stats are cherry picked.

I wish all of you in Melbourne well and hope that this nightmare, thrust upon you by incompetent leaders, ends soon.

:p Taken in the spirit it was intended. (I forgot the Emoji) :ok:

Initially, with the National Cabinet, I thought we had mature leadership across the board that put aside petty politics to get the job done. That seemed to last for a while, but it's all gone out the window & party allegiances are dictating the narrative. Once the Politicians went back to their party lines, the public followed their lead. God help us if we're ever threatened militarily!

The depressing part, tt, is that the nightmare is just beginning for an awful lot of people. How many have lost jobs, careers, and are facing the loss of their home or eviction because they can't pay their mortgage?

But it's OK, we've given 4,000 people an extra 5 years of their lives at the expense of your futures!