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Chronic Snoozer 11th Sep 2020 02:29


Originally Posted by Bend alot (Post 10882784)
$4.6m is on a normal day - it takes one woman nine months to create a baby, how long does it take nine women?

I love these brain teasers. "9 months?"

Xeptu 11th Sep 2020 02:36

Oii!!! Mr KRviator, those referenced original posts from 1529 are not mine.

KRviator 11th Sep 2020 02:38


Originally Posted by Xeptu (Post 10882801)
Oii!!! Mr KRviator, those referenced original posts from 1529 are not mine.

Yep, apologies, my bad! I'll try to edit it.:O

Bend alot 11th Sep 2020 02:54


Originally Posted by KRviator (Post 10882790)
Ok, then let's look at the Seppo's: 6,587,971 total cases & 196,303 deaths against a population of 328,200,000. 2.00% infected and 0.06% dying from it. If you don't like the Seppo's, pick any country you like and run the same numbers. Here's the UK too: 358,138 Cases, 41,608 deaths against a population of 66,650,000. 0.54% Infected, 0.06% of their population died "from COVID". Maybe another "random-big numbers country" might help seal the deal: Brazil: 4,239,763 cases, 129,575 deaths against a population of 212,559,000. 1.99% infected, 0.06% dying from it. Or WITH COVID might be a more appropriate moniker.

That 0.06% Of Australian's would be 15,300 deaths. Yep, for a notional "average working Aussie". Except the problem is, most of those dying from COVID are not "normal working Aussies", they are "elderly, retired Aussies with Co-Morbidities" and as such, would be "valued" at less, thereby rendering the opening of the economy even more important on a cost/benefit ratio.

EDIT: Just found a newly-released guidance note from the Dept of PM & Cabinet, it's now $4.9M, but also $213,000 per "life year". If someone want's to plug the average age of our COVID fatalities into Excel vs the Average age of death in Australia you might be alarmed at the cost/benefit ratio. IT makes CASA's reasoning to AD's etc look like the Gold-standard!



All your examples have restrictions in place (that keep numbers lower).

The British government backed a series of measures on Wednesday it hopes will stem a worrying increase in new coronavirus cases, particularly among young adults, including a legally enforced ban on any social gatherings of more than six people in England.
In the biggest reversal of the months-long easing of the lockdown, it said social gatherings in England will be limited to a maximum of six people, either inside or outside of the home. The new limit will be in place from Monday and police will be able to fine, and even arrest, anyone breaching the rules.
Among other measures, Prime Minister Boris Johnson said "COVID-secure marshals" will be introduced to help ensure social distancing in city centres.

Months after it was tabled due to COVID-19, indoor dining is coming back to New York City.

New York Gov. Andrew Cuomo announced on Wednesday that restaurants can resume indoor service on Sept. 30 at 25% capacity and with other safety precautions in place.

With the Covid-19 pandemic in near constant fluctuation in the United States, the 50 states are having to adapt rapidly with their rules and regulations.
If you're planning a family vacation or simply wish to travel to another state, it is important to be updated on the latest statewide regulations. While some US states have no restrictions, all their sites have important Covid-19 safety information, including possible face mask mandates in public setting.

The Brazilian authorities extended the restriction on foreign nationals entering Brazil for 30 more days until September 26. They have also imposed new rules on foreign nationals who come for business/tourism purposes for short stays (up to 90 days) -- they must present proof of medical insurance meeting certain minimum requirements. The Brazilian government has updated the list of locations that can’t receive international flights.

Xeptu 11th Sep 2020 02:58


Originally Posted by KRviator (Post 10882802)
Yep, apologies, my bad! I'll try to edit it.:O

Is ok don't worry about it. I only raised it because it happened over in the QF Group thread but because I didn't entirely disagree didn't bother with it, Then hellfire rained down upon me for daring to suggest that seniority won't play a role in redundancies on this occasion.

Ragnor 11th Sep 2020 03:52


Originally Posted by Xeptu (Post 10882778)
And if NSW is successful, that's probably what we'll do.

How is NSW not successful? NSW is the only state that is. Its very hard for you accept NSW superiority with the handling of this pandemic. We all know WA would be on their knees borders full open if it were not for the resources sector. No resource in NSW that is comparable to WA but we are coping fine. QLD they are gong down the hole of oblivion without a plan its actually very amusing watching the train wreck that is QLD now.

NSW is the only state that has learned to live with suppress it the original goal agreed by all. All the other states and territories are so $hit scared of not being able to match the capabilities of NSW they choose to close off. QLD still getting cases they should be zero by now but no they still getting covid cases.

Xeptu 11th Sep 2020 03:59


Originally Posted by Chronic Snoozer (Post 10882795)
I love these brain teasers. "9 months?"

Only if they all started at the same time :)

KRviator 11th Sep 2020 04:13

So, I found a few figures and the number's are genuinely scary...As at yesterday, for COVID:
  • The median age of all cases is 37 years (range: 0 to 106 years).
  • The median age of deaths is 86 years (range: 30 to 106 years).
  • Source
The ABS says in 2018 (Last year of avail data)
  • Median age at death was 78.9 years for males and 84.8 years for females.
  • Source

If you assume (I know, I know), the "average" age at death in Australia is (78.9+84.8)/2 = 81.85, then there is zero value to be "saved" in the "statistical value of life" calculations, as those who died with COVID have already passed the "notional date of death" that would be used in that application. From the available data, it looks to me that those dying from COVID are, by and large, those who would die from anything if they were to catch it, influenza, pneumonia, even a common cold.

Xeptu 11th Sep 2020 04:20


Originally Posted by Ragnor (Post 10882827)
How is NSW not successful? NSW is the only state that is. Its very hard for you accept NSW superiority with the handling of this pandemic. We all know WA would be on their knees borders full open if it were not for the resources sector. No resource in NSW that is comparable to WA but we are coping fine. QLD they are gong down the hole of oblivion without a plan its actually very amusing watching the train wreck that is QLD now.

NSW is the only state that has learned to live with suppress it the original goal agreed by all. All the other states and territories are so $hit scared of not being able to match the capabilities of NSW they choose to close off. QLD still getting cases they should be zero by now but no they still getting covid cases.

For now, it's only just begun and all we seem to be hearing is another outbreak and more cases, We'll be in a better position to judge just how successful that is by christmas. I'm not one of those that is all that optimistic it will be successful.

Xeptu 11th Sep 2020 04:46

The next bridge to cross is that even if NSW is deemed successful, will the unaffected states decide to do the same. Personally I think not. Life in those states is pretty much back to normal and people are willing to wait for either a quick test to better manage border closures or a vaccine. Without doubt, Travel and Tourism is deeply impacted, but in terms of state by state, it's still a small percentage and a small number of individuals impacted against the population of the state. Is this something the population is willing to sacrifice in the short term ( say 2 years) I would think "yes".

P.S, You are pitching your arguments towards the Medical Industry, who are deeply impacted and lost a good number of their own.

Ragnor 11th Sep 2020 04:57

Well your ideas of success is the opposite to mine so we will just leave it at that.

Yes I am optimistic unlike yourself who seem to want the worst to happen and take joy in seeing it happen I you would be a hoot to be around.

NT has an end date for the injunction on SY, 9th October that’s a positive step.

Xeptu 11th Sep 2020 05:05


Originally Posted by Ragnor (Post 10882841)
Well your ideas of success is the opposite to mine so we will just leave it at that.

Yes I am optimistic unlike yourself who seem to want the worst to happen and take joy in seeing it happen I you would be a hoot to be around.

NT has an end date for the injunction on SY, 9th October that’s a positive step.

And I still don't understand why you think anyone with an opposing opinion is somehow, evil, wants it to be, enjoys it, hopes it gets worse. It's a 10 year olds thinking.

brokenagain 11th Sep 2020 05:06


NT has an end date for the injunction on SY, 9th October that’s a positive step.
And announced only 3 weeks after the NT election. If anybody needs any more proof that border closures are largely politically driven, there it is. NSW cases have been bubbling away at a pretty consistent daily double figure rate, without a marked decline, so it’s definitely not driven by community health outcomes. I have no doubt the same watering down of restrictions will happen in Queensland after its election.

Bend alot 11th Sep 2020 05:13

At one point in Vic.

47 persons were in ICU.
20's = 1
30-39 = 4
50-59 = 12
60-69 = 18

Only 2 were 80+
10 unknown.

Retirement age 67.


He said young, previously well patients with severe influenza who experience cytokine storm can end up with scarred lungs, so he believes the same may happen as a result of COVID-19.

‘I think the incidence of chronic lung disease in COVID-19 will probably turn out to be higher than what we see in influenza,’ he said.

‘And I think it’s because proportionally more are going to ICU [with COVID-19], and they do tend to intubated for a longer period of time.’

https://www1.racgp.org.au/newsgp/cli...onary%20damage.


KRviator 11th Sep 2020 06:16


Originally Posted by The ABC
Woman who breached WA coronavirus border by hiding on truck handed six-month jail sentence

A 28-year-old Perth woman who snuck across WA's hard border hidden on the back of a truck has received what is believed to be the toughest penalty handed down for breaching the state's quarantine laws.

Key points:
Asher Vander Sanden did have an exemption to fly into WA
But she instead entered WA by road and then went to her partner's house
She has been sentenced to six months in jail after pleading guilty
Asher Faye Vander Sanden, who had spent a month in coronavirus-hit Victoria, concealed herself from authorities at the border with South Australia by hiding in a car that was being transported by the truck.

She had been in Mildura, in regional Victoria, when she asked the driver to give her a lift to Perth.

The Perth Magistrates court was told Vander Sanden did have an exemption allowing her to fly to Perth, but was told that after she arrived she would have to quarantine in a hotel for 14 days at her own expense.

Police prosecutor Ian McDowall said after crossing the border, Vander Sanden was taken to a service station in Midland where she rang her partner and asked him to collect her.

Police tried to locate her, but Senior Constable McDowall said she failed to disclose her whereabouts. She was arrested at a unit in Scarborough about 10 days after her arrival in the state, and has spent the past fortnight in quarantine while in custody.

Vander Sanden 'self-quarantined': lawyer
Vander Sanden's lawyer, John Hammond, said his client had indicated from when she was first charged that she would plead guilty to the offence of failing to comply with a direction.

Vander Sanden was eventually found by police in her partner's unit in Scarborough. He said she had "self-quarantined" while she was in the Scarborough unit with her partner and had no contact with any "third party".

Mr Hammond said Vander Sanden had gone to Victoria to look after her sister who was unwell, but decided to return to Perth when she could not cope. He acknowledged Vander Sanden did have a criminal record, saying that was related to "a meth habit" but that she no longer used the drug.

Police condemn 'deceitful and dishonest' acts
Senior Constable McDowall argued an immediate jail term should be imposed, describing Vander Sanden as being "deceitful and dishonest" for no other reason than "selfishness". He said she had shown "a complete disregard" for the community and could have caused an outbreak of coronavirus and potentially further lockdowns in WA.

Magistrate Andrew Matthews described Vander Sanden's actions as "a very serious offence", saying they undermined what Western Australia had done to prevent community spread of "this hideous virus".

WA closed its borders in April for the first time in history in a bid to keep coronavirus out. e also said it was serious because she had travelled from Victoria, which he described as a "hotspot" for COVID-19.

Magistrate Matthews imposed a sentence of six months, backdated to August 12 when Vander Sanden was arrested.
The sentence is believed to be the harshest imposed among WA's series of COVID-19 quarantine breaches, which carry a maximum jail term of 12 months.

Outside the court, Vander Sanden's lawyer, John Hammond made only a brief comment.

"The magistrate sent a very clear message to people coming into Western Australia without quarantining, I can't say anything more than that."
Source

Meanwhile, in Queen$land, where money talk$ and bull$hit walk$....


Originally Posted by The ABC
Superyacht skipper fined for lying to get coronavirus border exemption for family of Mark Simonds
The skipper of a superyacht that sailed into Queensland from Victoria has defended his wealthy employer, saying they had nothing to do with the trail of lies used to get an exemption to cross the border.

Key points:
Greg Numa was fined $4,500 for breaching the Public Health Act with no conviction recorded
He set sail with businessman Mark Simonds and his family during the peak of the pandemic in Melbourne
The 64-year-old says the family had nothing to do with his decision to mislead officials
Greg Numa, 64, has pleaded guilty in the Southport Magistrates Court to providing false and misleading statements to an emergency officer under the Public Health Act and been fined $4,500.

The Lady Pamela, which is owned by Victorian millionaire Mark Simonds, left Melbourne on August 9 for a 15-day voyage with seven people on board, including Numa, Mr Simonds and his wife, their son Vallance and his girlfriend, Hannah Fox.

Police prosecutor Senior Sergeant Damian Summerfield said 83 emails had been exchanged between Numa and a Maritime Safety Queensland officer as part of an application for exemption from the Chief Health Officer.

A day after the group docked at Gold Coast City Marina the exemption was revoked and all seven were ordered into hotel quarantine, which ended on Tuesday. The court heard the Lady Pamela stopped at three locations along the New South Wales coast, a coronavirus hotspot, where Numa, Mr Simonds, his wife and others were seen leaving the yacht.

Senior Sergeant Summerfield said Numa, in multiple emails, claimed no-one had disembarked, and in one email exchange said: "We have had no contact with the outside world." "The integrity of the Fox family and the Simonds family remains. They had absolutely nothing to do with my decision," Numa said outside court.

"That was my decision and basically that winds it up."

"I want to thank Queensland Health, the Queensland Government, MSQ, the Queensland Police — they do an amazing job with dealing with people like myself who stepped over the line on this occasion. "I regret that and I've paid the price today."

Magistrate Grace Kahlert said it was a serious offence because of the risk to the community of coronavirus and that the sentence must denounce the conduct and deter others from doing the same.
A conviction was not recorded.
Source


Stickshift3000 11th Sep 2020 07:53


Originally Posted by KRviator (Post 10882860)
Meanwhile, in Queen$land, where money talk$ and bull$hit walk$....

I reckon the most interesting part of the yacht story is that 83 emailswere exchanged to arrange passage. Bureaucratic systems at their best.

Turnleft080 11th Sep 2020 07:58

From Bend alot
At one point in Vic.
47 persons were in ICU.
20's = 1
30-39 = 4
50-59 = 12
60-69 = 18

Only 2 were 80+
10 unknown.
Retirement age 67.
________________________

Speaking about ICU,
A study came out in Spain last week (the latest) on vit D or Calcifediol which is your liver converting vit D
I have supplied the study on here and conclusion.

Basically 76 people with covid over 60s yo put in 2 groups, in hospital.
50 taking vit D -----------------------1 went to ICU only 2%----------------- No deaths.
26 not taking Vit D -----------------13 went to ICU only 50%---------------- 2 deaths

Conclusion
Our pilot study demonstrated that administration of a high dose of Calcifediol or 25-hydroxyvitamin D, a main metabolite of vitamin D endocrine system, significantly reduced the need for ICU treatment of patients requiring hospitalization due to proven COVID-19. Calcifediol seems to be able to reduce severity of the disease, but larger trials with groups properly matched will be required to show a definitive answer.

More research will be required to convince health ministers, again not a cure though this can be very helpful in preventing deaths.
However all the news over last week was on a hope of vaccine and vaccine hiccup. Nothing on D.
Of course, I know why. No money in it for the pharmaceutical companies. So just squash the idea.

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC7456194/

Also you can find a tube briefing on this by Dr John Campbell, Vitamin D first clinical trial.

Bend alot 11th Sep 2020 09:27

The % below 60 that require hospitalisation/ICU is the area that needs greater attention.

This is the work force and long term health impacts can restrict many things from jobs to travel/medical insurance premiums or availability for life.

The small Vic sample above is at least 17 of 47.

People may have to tick the COVID box just like "have you ever had TB" on many forms.

Angle of Attack 11th Sep 2020 10:59

Bendalot,
Probably because all the oldies carked it on that day, don’t take a single days statistic , it’s un representative.
You can’t deny on statistics that this thing kills overwhelmingly Oldies that would be taken out by influenza either way.
Sure there is some issues with ongoing lung problems up to 10 months later for middle aged sufferers, this is why the West
is about to be taken over by the East. If this was world war 2 we would have lost at the first battle. HR government minions have taken over the decision making Princess Palshay said it!, I have no say! Well if your the premier and have no say.....goodbye!

Angle of Attack 11th Sep 2020 11:04

6.7 million population in VIC last time I looked and your worried about double digit hospitalisation cases? FFS...

Angle of Attack 11th Sep 2020 11:10

If it gets to 5000 hospitalised I’d be mildly concerned, this crap is getting beyond a joke. VIC has historically ripped the guts out of the health care system starting with Kennet all those years ago, You can get away with it until something like a pandemic hits. The virus always exposes the weakest link, and it has proven true, Victoria has copped it because of all the privatisation loving State libs they’ve had since Kennet. You reap what you sow. Pay peanuts get virus.

Bend alot 11th Sep 2020 11:17


Originally Posted by Angle of Attack (Post 10883032)
6.7 million population in VIC last time I looked and your worried about double digit hospitalisation cases? FFS...

Concentration on death and oldies may bite the arse later.

A country in Europe that constantly had healthcare in the top 3 for Europe pre COVID and "rich country" around $60K GDP per capita, would have Australia's death rate sitting at around 32,000 deaths for the 6 months since March if we had the same stats.

Yes they had lock-down and they still have restrictions - but 1 in every 794 people of the entire population died and 1 in 49 people of the population contracted it.

currawong 11th Sep 2020 11:19

Be interesting to see how this looks at the twelve month mark -

https://public.flourish.studio/visualisation/2562261/

Square Bear 11th Sep 2020 11:49

Angle of Attack,

are you seriously blaming Kennett.....he lost that unloose-able election in 1999, and since then the Labor Party has had 17 years of running the State, with the Libs having a mere 4 years.....and before Kennet was Kirner and Cain Jr (um..who was there when the state bank went!!).

But hey, if you want to disregard the impact that 17 years of Victorian Labor Govt influence on its health system (not to mention what it has allowed its Police Service to become, nor the wokeness of just about every Government department it has) fill your boots....but seriously now, do a bit of history research, and understand what the Labor party has done to a once great State.

Kennnet 21 years ago, and mostly Labor Party, BLF CMFEU ACTU, DOCKERS, etc etc etc since then, and who are the citizens asking for to sort the current mess out, yep KENNETT.

Not my choice at all, but couldnt possibly be worse than the “Chairman”...he prob wants Kennett as well.

History...look it up, and maybe take of those rose coloured glasses.

Turnleft080 11th Sep 2020 12:17

If a Vic election was being held tomorrow Labor would lose 30 seats. Crash! Bang! Wallop! Wipeout!

White Knight 11th Sep 2020 12:22


Originally Posted by Bend alot
All your examples have restrictions in place (that keep numbers lower).

But nothing like the nonsense happening in Melbourne right now. Stasigrad may be a better name for the place these days...

Bend alot 11th Sep 2020 13:57

Are you sure?

Many think Sweden was basically OP's normal the whole time - that is/was utter rubbish. Sweden had massive restrictions and a massive death toll and a screwed economy to match.

Show a free COVID nation that is doing well - other than China.

exfocx 11th Sep 2020 15:23


Originally Posted by KRviator (Post 10882832)
So, I found a few figures and the number's are genuinely scary...As at yesterday, for COVID:
  • The median age of all cases is 37 years (range: 0 to 106 years).
  • The median age of deaths is 86 years (range: 30 to 106 years).
  • Source
The ABS says in 2018 (Last year of avail data)
  • Median age at death was 78.9 years for males and 84.8 years for females.
  • Source

If you assume (I know, I know), the "average" age at death in Australia is (78.9+84.8)/2 = 81.85, then there is zero value to be "saved" in the "statistical value of life" calculations,...............................

No, I think you're wrong and I also think it's a case of not understand stats etc, which should be left to those that do! I may even be reading this wrong.

The data I'm referring to is from the US Dept of Social Security Admin and is an actuarial table based on 2017 for the nominated age. The link will be at the end.

If you were 75 yrs old in 2017 (i.e. 78 yrs old today) you have on av another 11 yrs to live with only a 4% chance of dying in the next 12 mths. John Hopkins Uni data says if you're in the 70-80 age bracket and you get cv19 you have a 30% of kicking the bucket (no link, look at their website). If you were born in 2017 you'd have an Av life expectancy of 76! You see, we die off quite a bit more than you think at an earlier age than most of us think as we've been caught up in the Av age thingy (a DAME informed me of this a number of yrs ago). 40 to 50 sees a number go from cancer and heart disease, so if you see 50 your chances of reaching the Av life expectancy increase, when you hit 60 it's likely to exceed the av and once you're 70 you're past it. And so on till like the example above you do quite a bit better. This goes on till you you're in your 80s, 80 in 2017 will see you get to 88 with only a 6% chance of kicking it in the next 12mths, unless you get cv, then you're screwed!

https://www.ssa.gov/oact/STATS/table4c6.html

blubak 11th Sep 2020 21:59


Originally Posted by Angle of Attack (Post 10883038)
If it gets to 5000 hospitalised I’d be mildly concerned, this crap is getting beyond a joke. VIC has historically ripped the guts out of the health care system starting with Kennet all those years ago, You can get away with it until something like a pandemic hits. The virus always exposes the weakest link, and it has proven true, Victoria has copped it because of all the privatisation loving State libs they’ve had since Kennet. You reap what you sow. Pay peanuts get virus.

Thought we had a national healthcare system as in medicare?
How can a state take millions out of a fed govt run system however the fed govt HAS ripped millions out of the aged care system.
Get andrews to stand up for his quarantine debarcle & morrison for the aged care 1.

Ragnor 11th Sep 2020 22:36

"The idea is not to politicise these individual administrative decisions.” Queen P has/has not control I don't know. It is not politicization to insist that all decisions especially ones of this magnitude be ultimately the responsibility of the elected representatives. If the Act doesn't build in a mechanism by which the Health Minister can override the CHO's regulations then the Act is deficient and ought to be amended immediately.

Premier trips over borders

SARAH ELKS ROSIE LEWIS
NCA NEWSWIRE / SARAH MARSHALL

Queensland Premier Annastacia Palaszczuk on Friday
PALASZCZUK’S OFFICE SAYS SHE WAS WRONG IN DEFENDING BAN ON FUNERAL VISIT

The office of Annastacia Palaszczuk has conceded the Queensland Premier “misspoke” when she defended her state’s declaration of Canberra as a COVID “hotpot” which led to a young woman being denied permission to attend her father’s funeral.

Ms Palaszczuk said she was “heartbroken” seeing the images of ACT resident Sarah Caisip on Thursday, dressed in full PPE when she was allowed to briefly view her father’s body after being banned from attending the Brisbane funeral with her mother and 11-year-old sister.

The hardline stance in refusing to relax the mandatory 14-day hotel quarantine requirements for mourners has fuelled outrage after AFL players and celebrities were allowed to stay at resorts and five-star hotels.

At a press conference on Friday, Ms Palaszczuk said the ACT

— which has not had a COVID case in months — was still excluded because a man with COVID-19 had entered Queensland through the ACT.

This was incorrect. The man came from Sydney, via Canberra, into Queensland — but was never diagnosed with COVID-19.

A Queensland government spokeswoman later confirmed Ms Palaszczuk “misspoke”.

In the face of the fallout over the treatment of Ms Caisip, Ms Palaszczuk insisted she was powerless to make decisions about quarantine exemptions, with only Chief Health Officer Jeannette Young able to do that under the law.

“Everyone who has seen those images is heartbroken,” she said. “I don‘t make those decisions … under the act, it’s her (Chief Health Officer Jeannette Young) decision. We’ve got to take the clinical advice here.”

A statement from Queensland Health said Dr Young had “made the decision to include the ACT as a hotspot due to the frequent movement of NSW residents in and out of the territory”, despite entreaties from ACT Chief Minister Andrew Barr that Canberra has never been a hotspot.

University of Queensland law professor Graeme Orr confirmed Dr Young held the power under Border Restrictions Direction No 13. “Only the CHO or her deputy can waive entering quarantine if you come from a hotspot, then only for really exceptional circumstances … and only a public health official can give permission to leave quarantine for exceptional circumstances,” he said.

“The idea is not to politicise these individual administrative decisions.”

In a moment of emotion during a press conference, Ms Palaszczuk responded to criticism from federal Finance Minister Mathias Cormann by revealing she had also lost a loved one during the pandemic.

“These are difficult decisions, they are heartbreaking,” she said. “These issues hurt me deeply. They hurt me deeply because during this pandemic I’ve lost loved ones as well.”

It was later confirmed Ms Palaszczuk’s grandmother died in June. She was able to attend her funeral.

Senator Cormann had said Ms Caisip “did not present a risk just for holding her dad’s hand while he was passing away”. The government’s Senate leader said the Palaszczuk government’s handling of her case was “just plain disgraceful” and “so cold-hearted”.

“You cannot tell me that the Premier of Queensland, if she had so chosen, would not have been persuasive in getting a more caring and a more appropriate outcome here,” he said.



blubak 11th Sep 2020 22:43


Originally Posted by Ragnor (Post 10883396)
"The idea is not to politicise these individual administrative decisions.” Queen P has/has not control I don't know. It is not politicization to insist that all decisions especially ones of this magnitude be ultimately the responsibility of the elected representatives. If the Act doesn't build in a mechanism by which the Health Minister can override the CHO's regulations then the Act is deficient and ought to be amended immediately.

Premier trips over borders

SARAH ELKS ROSIE LEWIS
NCA NEWSWIRE / SARAH MARSHALL

Queensland Premier Annastacia Palaszczuk on Friday
PALASZCZUK’S OFFICE SAYS SHE WAS WRONG IN DEFENDING BAN ON FUNERAL VISIT

The office of Annastacia Palaszczuk has conceded the Queensland Premier “misspoke” when she defended her state’s declaration of Canberra as a COVID “hotpot” which led to a young woman being denied permission to attend her father’s funeral.

Ms Palaszczuk said she was “heartbroken” seeing the images of ACT resident Sarah Caisip on Thursday, dressed in full PPE when she was allowed to briefly view her father’s body after being banned from attending the Brisbane funeral with her mother and 11-year-old sister.

The hardline stance in refusing to relax the mandatory 14-day hotel quarantine requirements for mourners has fuelled outrage after AFL players and celebrities were allowed to stay at resorts and five-star hotels.

At a press conference on Friday, Ms Palaszczuk said the ACT

— which has not had a COVID case in months — was still excluded because a man with COVID-19 had entered Queensland through the ACT.

This was incorrect. The man came from Sydney, via Canberra, into Queensland — but was never diagnosed with COVID-19.

A Queensland government spokeswoman later confirmed Ms Palaszczuk “misspoke”.

In the face of the fallout over the treatment of Ms Caisip, Ms Palaszczuk insisted she was powerless to make decisions about quarantine exemptions, with only Chief Health Officer Jeannette Young able to do that under the law.

“Everyone who has seen those images is heartbroken,” she said. “I don‘t make those decisions … under the act, it’s her (Chief Health Officer Jeannette Young) decision. We’ve got to take the clinical advice here.”

A statement from Queensland Health said Dr Young had “made the decision to include the ACT as a hotspot due to the frequent movement of NSW residents in and out of the territory”, despite entreaties from ACT Chief Minister Andrew Barr that Canberra has never been a hotspot.

University of Queensland law professor Graeme Orr confirmed Dr Young held the power under Border Restrictions Direction No 13. “Only the CHO or her deputy can waive entering quarantine if you come from a hotspot, then only for really exceptional circumstances … and only a public health official can give permission to leave quarantine for exceptional circumstances,” he said.

“The idea is not to politicise these individual administrative decisions.”

In a moment of emotion during a press conference, Ms Palaszczuk responded to criticism from federal Finance Minister Mathias Cormann by revealing she had also lost a loved one during the pandemic.

“These are difficult decisions, they are heartbreaking,” she said. “These issues hurt me deeply. They hurt me deeply because during this pandemic I’ve lost loved ones as well.”

It was later confirmed Ms Palaszczuk’s grandmother died in June. She was able to attend her funeral.

Senator Cormann had said Ms Caisip “did not present a risk just for holding her dad’s hand while he was passing away”. The government’s Senate leader said the Palaszczuk government’s handling of her case was “just plain disgraceful” and “so cold-hearted”.

“You cannot tell me that the Premier of Queensland, if she had so chosen, would not have been persuasive in getting a more caring and a more appropriate outcome here,” he said.

How can someone without a heart be 'heartbroken'.
So easy to shed crocodile tears & make vote appealing statements after f...ing up big time yet again.Is anyone really going to vote for her.

Ragnor 11th Sep 2020 23:13

It’s QLD I think more would vote for her than you realize.

What is DF thoughts on the border and hard stance that Queen P has?!

Bend alot 12th Sep 2020 01:28


Originally Posted by blubak (Post 10883385)
Thought we had a national healthcare system as in medicare?
How can a state take millions out of a fed govt run system however the fed govt HAS ripped millions out of the aged care system.
Get andrews to stand up for his quarantine debarcle & morrison for the aged care 1.

Might want to check healthcare funding Australia.

GST is like Medicare, both are national systems - but devil in the detail.

Stickshift3000 12th Sep 2020 03:32


Originally Posted by blubak (Post 10883385)
Thought we had a national healthcare system as in medicare?
How can a state take millions out of a fed govt run system however the fed govt HAS ripped millions out of the aged care system.
Get andrews to stand up for his quarantine debarcle & morrison for the aged care 1.

Vic Hospitals and the health department are funded by state; both have been underfunded for many years.

unobtanium 12th Sep 2020 04:51

For forks sake how hard is it to let someone be with there dying loved one? Ever heard of PPE? Put them in a hazmat suit, hell even a space suit let them be with there loved ones, then isolate them for 2 weeks. Crocodile tears on TV doesn't help.

601 12th Sep 2020 09:04


Thought we had a national healthcare system as in medicare?
It is obvious by some statements that we should have more teaching in schools about how our system of Government in Australia operates and the State - Federal relationship.

Medicare is for ??????
States run the ????????????????
Feds fund ????????????????
.

Xeptu 12th Sep 2020 09:17


Originally Posted by 601 (Post 10883554)
It is obvious by some statements that we should have more teaching in schools about how our system of Governments of Australia operates

I couldn't agree more strongly. My 35 yr old son knows he must vote, but has absolutely no clue why, what Government is and does. I do believe that is slowly changing, Young people are taking more of an interest in specific issues but still don't know how it works.

Joker89 12th Sep 2020 09:55

All the fear mongers should watch this. You just Need to follow the data.


Bend alot 12th Sep 2020 10:22


Originally Posted by Joker89 (Post 10883579)
All the fear mongers should watch this. You just Need to follow the data.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8UvFhIFzaac

So we are having the exact same "curve" result!

Just that needed an unprecedented travel restrictions and lock-downs to achieve - apples v apples.

Unless you state that restrictions and lock-downs have zero bearing on the curve. I assume you will supply that data.

Bend alot 12th Sep 2020 10:32


Originally Posted by Xeptu (Post 10883561)
I couldn't agree more strongly. My 35 yr old son knows he must vote, but has absolutely no clue why, what Government is and does. I do believe that is slowly changing, Young people are taking more of an interest in specific issues but still don't know how it works.

I have been a advocate for Basic Life Skills to be taught in schools as a core for many years - that includes understanding government/s and the agencies including tax and business.


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