Originally Posted by Xeptu (Post 10882801)

Oii!!! Mr KRviator, those referenced original posts from 1529 are not mine.

Originally Posted by KRviator (Post 10882790)

Ok, then let's look at the Seppo's: 6,587,971 total cases & 196,303 deaths against a population of 328,200,000. 2.00% infected and 0.06% dying from it. If you don't like the Seppo's, pick any country you like and run the same numbers. Here's the UK too: 358,138 Cases, 41,608 deaths against a population of 66,650,000. 0.54% Infected, 0.06% of their population died "from COVID". Maybe another "random-big numbers country" might help seal the deal: Brazil: 4,239,763 cases, 129,575 deaths against a population of 212,559,000. 1.99% infected, 0.06% dying from it. Or WITH COVID might be a more appropriate moniker.

That 0.06% Of Australian's would be 15,300 deaths. Yep, for a notional "average working Aussie". Except the problem is, most of those dying from COVID are not "normal working Aussies", they are "elderly, retired Aussies with Co-Morbidities" and as such, would be "valued" at less, thereby rendering the opening of the economy even more important on a cost/benefit ratio.

EDIT: Just found a newly-released guidance note from the Dept of PM & Cabinet, it's now $4.9M, but also $213,000 per "life year". If someone want's to plug the average age of our COVID fatalities into Excel vs the Average age of death in Australia you might be alarmed at the cost/benefit ratio. IT makes CASA's reasoning to AD's etc look like the Gold-standard!

Originally Posted by KRviator (Post 10882802)

Yep, apologies, my bad! I'll try to edit it.:O

Originally Posted by Xeptu (Post 10882778)

And if NSW is successful, that's probably what we'll do.

Originally Posted by Chronic Snoozer (Post 10882795)

I love these brain teasers. "9 months?"

Originally Posted by Ragnor (Post 10882827)

How is NSW not successful? NSW is the only state that is. Its very hard for you accept NSW superiority with the handling of this pandemic. We all know WA would be on their knees borders full open if it were not for the resources sector. No resource in NSW that is comparable to WA but we are coping fine. QLD they are gong down the hole of oblivion without a plan its actually very amusing watching the train wreck that is QLD now.

NSW is the only state that has learned to live with suppress it the original goal agreed by all. All the other states and territories are so $hit scared of not being able to match the capabilities of NSW they choose to close off. QLD still getting cases they should be zero by now but no they still getting covid cases.

Originally Posted by Ragnor (Post 10882841)

Well your ideas of success is the opposite to mine so we will just leave it at that.

Yes I am optimistic unlike yourself who seem to want the worst to happen and take joy in seeing it happen I you would be a hoot to be around.

NT has an end date for the injunction on SY, 9th October that’s a positive step.

Originally Posted by The ABC

Woman who breached WA coronavirus border by hiding on truck handed six-month jail sentence

A 28-year-old Perth woman who snuck across WA's hard border hidden on the back of a truck has received what is believed to be the toughest penalty handed down for breaching the state's quarantine laws.

Key points:
Asher Vander Sanden did have an exemption to fly into WA
But she instead entered WA by road and then went to her partner's house
She has been sentenced to six months in jail after pleading guilty
Asher Faye Vander Sanden, who had spent a month in coronavirus-hit Victoria, concealed herself from authorities at the border with South Australia by hiding in a car that was being transported by the truck.

She had been in Mildura, in regional Victoria, when she asked the driver to give her a lift to Perth.

The Perth Magistrates court was told Vander Sanden did have an exemption allowing her to fly to Perth, but was told that after she arrived she would have to quarantine in a hotel for 14 days at her own expense.

Police prosecutor Ian McDowall said after crossing the border, Vander Sanden was taken to a service station in Midland where she rang her partner and asked him to collect her.

Police tried to locate her, but Senior Constable McDowall said she failed to disclose her whereabouts. She was arrested at a unit in Scarborough about 10 days after her arrival in the state, and has spent the past fortnight in quarantine while in custody.

Vander Sanden 'self-quarantined': lawyer
Vander Sanden's lawyer, John Hammond, said his client had indicated from when she was first charged that she would plead guilty to the offence of failing to comply with a direction.

Vander Sanden was eventually found by police in her partner's unit in Scarborough. He said she had "self-quarantined" while she was in the Scarborough unit with her partner and had no contact with any "third party".

Mr Hammond said Vander Sanden had gone to Victoria to look after her sister who was unwell, but decided to return to Perth when she could not cope. He acknowledged Vander Sanden did have a criminal record, saying that was related to "a meth habit" but that she no longer used the drug.

Police condemn 'deceitful and dishonest' acts
Senior Constable McDowall argued an immediate jail term should be imposed, describing Vander Sanden as being "deceitful and dishonest" for no other reason than "selfishness". He said she had shown "a complete disregard" for the community and could have caused an outbreak of coronavirus and potentially further lockdowns in WA.

Magistrate Andrew Matthews described Vander Sanden's actions as "a very serious offence", saying they undermined what Western Australia had done to prevent community spread of "this hideous virus".

WA closed its borders in April for the first time in history in a bid to keep coronavirus out. e also said it was serious because she had travelled from Victoria, which he described as a "hotspot" for COVID-19.

Magistrate Matthews imposed a sentence of six months, backdated to August 12 when Vander Sanden was arrested.
The sentence is believed to be the harshest imposed among WA's series of COVID-19 quarantine breaches, which carry a maximum jail term of 12 months.

Outside the court, Vander Sanden's lawyer, John Hammond made only a brief comment.

"The magistrate sent a very clear message to people coming into Western Australia without quarantining, I can't say anything more than that."
Source

Originally Posted by The ABC

Superyacht skipper fined for lying to get coronavirus border exemption for family of Mark Simonds
The skipper of a superyacht that sailed into Queensland from Victoria has defended his wealthy employer, saying they had nothing to do with the trail of lies used to get an exemption to cross the border.

Key points:
Greg Numa was fined $4,500 for breaching the Public Health Act with no conviction recorded
He set sail with businessman Mark Simonds and his family during the peak of the pandemic in Melbourne
The 64-year-old says the family had nothing to do with his decision to mislead officials
Greg Numa, 64, has pleaded guilty in the Southport Magistrates Court to providing false and misleading statements to an emergency officer under the Public Health Act and been fined $4,500.

The Lady Pamela, which is owned by Victorian millionaire Mark Simonds, left Melbourne on August 9 for a 15-day voyage with seven people on board, including Numa, Mr Simonds and his wife, their son Vallance and his girlfriend, Hannah Fox.

Police prosecutor Senior Sergeant Damian Summerfield said 83 emails had been exchanged between Numa and a Maritime Safety Queensland officer as part of an application for exemption from the Chief Health Officer.

A day after the group docked at Gold Coast City Marina the exemption was revoked and all seven were ordered into hotel quarantine, which ended on Tuesday. The court heard the Lady Pamela stopped at three locations along the New South Wales coast, a coronavirus hotspot, where Numa, Mr Simonds, his wife and others were seen leaving the yacht.

Senior Sergeant Summerfield said Numa, in multiple emails, claimed no-one had disembarked, and in one email exchange said: "We have had no contact with the outside world." "The integrity of the Fox family and the Simonds family remains. They had absolutely nothing to do with my decision," Numa said outside court.

"That was my decision and basically that winds it up."

"I want to thank Queensland Health, the Queensland Government, MSQ, the Queensland Police — they do an amazing job with dealing with people like myself who stepped over the line on this occasion. "I regret that and I've paid the price today."

Magistrate Grace Kahlert said it was a serious offence because of the risk to the community of coronavirus and that the sentence must denounce the conduct and deter others from doing the same.
A conviction was not recorded.
Source

Originally Posted by KRviator (Post 10882860)

Meanwhile, in Queen$land, where money talk$ and bull$hit walk$....

Originally Posted by Angle of Attack (Post 10883032)

6.7 million population in VIC last time I looked and your worried about double digit hospitalisation cases? FFS...

Originally Posted by Bend alot

Originally Posted by KRviator (Post 10882832)

So, I found a few figures and the number's are genuinely scary...As at yesterday, for COVID:

• The median age of all cases is 37 years (range: 0 to 106 years).
• The median age of deaths is 86 years (range: 30 to 106 years).
• Source

The ABS says in 2018 (Last year of avail data)

• Median age at death was 78.9 years for males and 84.8 years for females.
• Source

If you assume (I know, I know), the "average" age at death in Australia is (78.9+84.8)/2 = 81.85, then there is zero value to be "saved" in the "statistical value of life" calculations,...............................

Originally Posted by Angle of Attack (Post 10883038)

If it gets to 5000 hospitalised I’d be mildly concerned, this crap is getting beyond a joke. VIC has historically ripped the guts out of the health care system starting with Kennet all those years ago, You can get away with it until something like a pandemic hits. The virus always exposes the weakest link, and it has proven true, Victoria has copped it because of all the privatisation loving State libs they’ve had since Kennet. You reap what you sow. Pay peanuts get virus.

Originally Posted by Ragnor (Post 10883396)

"The idea is not to politicise these individual administrative decisions.” Queen P has/has not control I don't know. It is not politicization to insist that all decisions especially ones of this magnitude be ultimately the responsibility of the elected representatives. If the Act doesn't build in a mechanism by which the Health Minister can override the CHO's regulations then the Act is deficient and ought to be amended immediately.

Premier trips over borders

SARAH ELKS ROSIE LEWIS
NCA NEWSWIRE / SARAH MARSHALL

Queensland Premier Annastacia Palaszczuk on Friday
PALASZCZUK’S OFFICE SAYS SHE WAS WRONG IN DEFENDING BAN ON FUNERAL VISIT

The office of Annastacia Palaszczuk has conceded the Queensland Premier “misspoke” when she defended her state’s declaration of Canberra as a COVID “hotpot” which led to a young woman being denied permission to attend her father’s funeral.

Ms Palaszczuk said she was “heartbroken” seeing the images of ACT resident Sarah Caisip on Thursday, dressed in full PPE when she was allowed to briefly view her father’s body after being banned from attending the Brisbane funeral with her mother and 11-year-old sister.

The hardline stance in refusing to relax the mandatory 14-day hotel quarantine requirements for mourners has fuelled outrage after AFL players and celebrities were allowed to stay at resorts and five-star hotels.

At a press conference on Friday, Ms Palaszczuk said the ACT

— which has not had a COVID case in months — was still excluded because a man with COVID-19 had entered Queensland through the ACT.

This was incorrect. The man came from Sydney, via Canberra, into Queensland — but was never diagnosed with COVID-19.

A Queensland government spokeswoman later confirmed Ms Palaszczuk “misspoke”.

In the face of the fallout over the treatment of Ms Caisip, Ms Palaszczuk insisted she was powerless to make decisions about quarantine exemptions, with only Chief Health Officer Jeannette Young able to do that under the law.

“Everyone who has seen those images is heartbroken,” she said. “I don‘t make those decisions … under the act, it’s her (Chief Health Officer Jeannette Young) decision. We’ve got to take the clinical advice here.”

A statement from Queensland Health said Dr Young had “made the decision to include the ACT as a hotspot due to the frequent movement of NSW residents in and out of the territory”, despite entreaties from ACT Chief Minister Andrew Barr that Canberra has never been a hotspot.

University of Queensland law professor Graeme Orr confirmed Dr Young held the power under Border Restrictions Direction No 13. “Only the CHO or her deputy can waive entering quarantine if you come from a hotspot, then only for really exceptional circumstances … and only a public health official can give permission to leave quarantine for exceptional circumstances,” he said.

“The idea is not to politicise these individual administrative decisions.”

In a moment of emotion during a press conference, Ms Palaszczuk responded to criticism from federal Finance Minister Mathias Cormann by revealing she had also lost a loved one during the pandemic.

“These are difficult decisions, they are heartbreaking,” she said. “These issues hurt me deeply. They hurt me deeply because during this pandemic I’ve lost loved ones as well.”

It was later confirmed Ms Palaszczuk’s grandmother died in June. She was able to attend her funeral.

Senator Cormann had said Ms Caisip “did not present a risk just for holding her dad’s hand while he was passing away”. The government’s Senate leader said the Palaszczuk government’s handling of her case was “just plain disgraceful” and “so cold-hearted”.

“You cannot tell me that the Premier of Queensland, if she had so chosen, would not have been persuasive in getting a more caring and a more appropriate outcome here,” he said.

Originally Posted by blubak (Post 10883385)

Thought we had a national healthcare system as in medicare?
How can a state take millions out of a fed govt run system however the fed govt HAS ripped millions out of the aged care system.
Get andrews to stand up for his quarantine debarcle & morrison for the aged care 1.

Originally Posted by blubak (Post 10883385)

Thought we had a national healthcare system as in medicare?
How can a state take millions out of a fed govt run system however the fed govt HAS ripped millions out of the aged care system.
Get andrews to stand up for his quarantine debarcle & morrison for the aged care 1.

Originally Posted by 601 (Post 10883554)

It is obvious by some statements that we should have more teaching in schools about how our system of Governments of Australia operates

Originally Posted by Joker89 (Post 10883579)

All the fear mongers should watch this. You just Need to follow the data.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8UvFhIFzaac

Originally Posted by Xeptu (Post 10883561)

I couldn't agree more strongly. My 35 yr old son knows he must vote, but has absolutely no clue why, what Government is and does. I do believe that is slowly changing, Young people are taking more of an interest in specific issues but still don't know how it works.