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SOPS 23rd Jul 2021 11:51

If anyone thinks there is any appetite in WA to open up.. they are on drugs. There is no way McGowan would let that happen. Most of us in WA are happy to do short lock downs when required .. comply with mask wearing and generally follow the rules. The rest of the time.. as long as we stay in the State, we can live almost normally ( for the moment).

DHC8 Driver 23rd Jul 2021 11:53


Originally Posted by ScepticalOptomist (Post 11083609)
Oh FFS - most of the UK had the AZ shot - can we stop making mountains out of mole-hills? We really have become scared of risk haven’t we? How did we get so scared of everything?

My sentiments exactly. 👍👍

SOPS 23rd Jul 2021 12:03

Thread drift I know. I’m watching the opening of the World’s most expensive farce ( only because my darling wife wants to)..

I have seen athletes with no masks, ones with the mask below the nose, people sharing holding the flag .

We have a super spread event all in the name of $$$$$

Ladloy 23rd Jul 2021 12:14


Originally Posted by PoppaJo (Post 11083724)
She is on her own for the next 6 months.

McGowan and others have specially said they are not playing that game. The dialogue from all the Labor premiers is much the same. Essentially cut Sydney off from the rest of the nation until Christmas.

was it not the same for vic last year?

ruprecht 23rd Jul 2021 12:21


Originally Posted by SOPS (Post 11083733)
Thread drift I know. I’m watching the opening of the World’s most expensive farce ( only because my darling wife wants to)..

I have seen athletes with no masks, ones with the mask below the nose, people sharing holding the flag .

We have a super spread event all in the name of $$$$$

Bah, humbug to you too…:rolleyes:

SOPS 23rd Jul 2021 12:22


Originally Posted by ruprecht (Post 11083749)
Bah, humbug to you too…:rolleyes:

Let’s wait and see.

Turnleft080 23rd Jul 2021 12:34


Originally Posted by Ladloy (Post 11083741)
was it not the same for vic last year?

Melbourne lockdown was 4 months with a ring of steal, a 8pm-6am curfew, 1 hour exercise, 5 km radius.
Cases peaked at 724. Battling Wuhan strain. How’s that for stats Bruce.

A320 Flyer 23rd Jul 2021 13:14


Originally Posted by SOPS (Post 11083726)
If anyone thinks there is any appetite in WA to open up.. they are on drugs. There is no way McGowan would let that happen. Most of us in WA are happy to do short lock downs when required .. comply with mask wearing and generally follow the rules. The rest of the time.. as long as we stay in the State, we can live almost normally ( for the moment).

if would be great if they just dug a trench and just pushed WA out into the ocean

SOPS 23rd Jul 2021 13:23


Originally Posted by A320 Flyer (Post 11083780)
if would be great if they just dug a trench and just pushed WA out into the ocean

At the moment, I would suggest it would be great if they built a big wall around NSW and did not let anyone in or out. ( And I’m originally from NSW and have family there.)

601 23rd Jul 2021 13:30


I'd be happy if pfizer was readily available. Young people have sacrificed enough in this pandemic to be risking blood clots because the PM ****** up.
If people had half a brain they would know by now that the TGA has approved the AZ for people over 18.
The ATAGI, who don't approve anything, have stated that the Pfizier in the preferred vaccine for people under 60.
Note the difference in the words "preferred" and "approved"
So how do you reconcile the above with your statement regarding the PM who reiterated what is "approved"


Fuel-Off 23rd Jul 2021 16:41

ATAGI is the advisory group, the TGA is the regulator. Astrazeneca is legally able to be administered to anyone over the age of 18. Pfizer has just been approved for those over the age of 12. A false equivalency has emerged between what is advised and what is regulated. Technically doctors can inoculate those above the minimum age, but of course there's a priority for those who would most likely succumb to the disease should they get infected in among a very limited amount of vaccine.

The issue lies with the messaging and the very low risk of blood clots. The media rhetoric when the clotting issues first came into light was effectively that of you take it, death is a certainty. That reckless scaremongering combined with Government's non-existent campaign to take the jab has helped create the catastrophic situation the country is in at the moment.

At least the media's message is now changing to one which emphasises to take any vaccine offered, but make sure you take the due diligence with your health care provider before you get the jab. But some fear the damage is already done and we just have to sit tight until Pfizer supplies increase towards the end of what is increasingly looking like a long winter.

Message from the Government? Crickets.

Fuel-Off :ok:

cessnapete 23rd Jul 2021 16:53

Here in the UK the AZ data shows that the vaccine is of a magnitudes safer than the Contraceptive Pill in causing blood clots.
Seeing all the negativity in Oz over AZ, has the Pill been banned yet?

Ladloy 23rd Jul 2021 20:03


Originally Posted by Turnleft080 (Post 11083755)
Melbourne lockdown was 4 months with a ring of steal, a 8pm-6am curfew, 1 hour exercise, 5 km radius.
Cases peaked at 724. Battling Wuhan strain. How’s that for stats Bruce.

so the assumption is that this more infectious variant will be out of control with the current lockdown?

mattyj 23rd Jul 2021 20:37


Originally Posted by cessnapete (Post 11083870)
Here in the UK the AZ data shows that the vaccine is of a magnitudes safer than the Contraceptive Pill in causing blood clots.
Seeing all the negativity in Oz over AZ, has the Pill been banned yet?


my wife refused to use it after she read the data..I had to get a vasectomy

needless to say..she ain’t going near this vaccine

Ladloy 23rd Jul 2021 20:57


Originally Posted by MickG0105 (Post 11083648)
You, me and 3,050,201 of the 3,050,209 (99.9998%) other Australians who have had at least one shot of the AstraZeneca vaccine.

blood clot risk below 50 years increases considerably. My age group is 1 in 30000 and I'm sure CASA would have a field day. I don't live in Sydney so there's no rush for me. By all means those in Sydney should go out and get AZ, because of Gladys and Scotty from Marketing put politics before the experts.

Gnadenburg 23rd Jul 2021 21:34

None of the reluctant vaxers have answered my question as to whether they've lost their livelihoods in aviation due COVID.

So can I ask the following?

- Would you expect and take a government handout as an aviation worker whilst preaching a reluctant vaccination stance?

- Will you accept the opening of borders despite you and I take it your family, not being vaccinated?



blubak 23rd Jul 2021 21:39


Originally Posted by SOPS (Post 11083786)
At the moment, I would suggest it would be great if they built a big wall around NSW and did not let anyone in or out. ( And I’m originally from NSW and have family there.)

Inteteresting you say such a thing-i have just seen how vic has designated nsw a higher risk zone now & increased fines etc for entering victoria,have a look at twitter & the comments regarding peoples rights & all the rest that goes with it.
It just shows there are people out there that think all of this is a scam & should be ignored.

blubak 23rd Jul 2021 21:41


Originally Posted by Turnleft080 (Post 11083755)
Melbourne lockdown was 4 months with a ring of steal, a 8pm-6am curfew, 1 hour exercise, 5 km radius.
Cases peaked at 724. Battling Wuhan strain. How’s that for stats Bruce.

And majority adhered to all of it,thats the big difference.

burner account 23rd Jul 2021 23:05

Posting with a throwaway account to avoid doxxing me or my family.

Close family works in pathology. The number of weird blood issues they are seeing post-AZ is rising. Like really weird - zero platelets, ruptured spleens, stuff like that. All statistically out of the ordinary. Not causing deaths so not making the news, but just odd. It isn’t just about the deaths.

Number of issues post Pfizer? Zero.

My family is almost fully vaxxed, but people are reluctant on AZ for a reason. It’s not because that are stupid or didn’t do maths at school




MickG0105 23rd Jul 2021 23:18


Originally Posted by mattyj (Post 11083941)
my wife refused to use it after she read the data..I had to get a vasectomy

Being such a diligent manager of risk you doubtlessly acquainted yourself with the 2006-07 Northwestern University study that tentatively indicated a link between vasectomy and a form of dementia known as Primary Progressive Aphasia, a condition in which people have trouble recalling and understanding words.


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