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Torukmacto 18th Jul 2021 03:29


Originally Posted by WingNut60 (Post 11080509)
Flying in from Asia to, let's say, Vancouver.
1761 deaths so far.

Yep, any Australian city could have that too.
If it was really that important that someone should have the right to enter without quarantine.

And you failed to mention that this arrangement has only been in place since 05 July.

Toronto is where he is . Many older people die and some have coronavirus it’s sad but a fact of life . Vaccinations and some basic precautions will improve chances .

MickG0105 18th Jul 2021 04:03


Originally Posted by Turnleft080 (Post 11080503)
Gladys having Armenian heritage, why not it's a claytons lockdown anyway start cooking those kababs, inshallah.

She's a Christian, Armenian Apostolic, but sure, a bit of thread drift into religion will doubtless lift the tone.

Lead Balloon 18th Jul 2021 04:14

Indeed. And the one true religion - Pastafarianism - provides the explanation for and solution to Covid-19. Blessed be the Quob!

Turnleft080 18th Jul 2021 04:19


Originally Posted by MickG0105 (Post 11080533)
She's a Christian, Armenian Apostolic, but sure, a bit of thread drift into religion will doubtless lift the tone.

Yep, first state to adopt christianity in year 301AD. They also have traditions to celebrate throughout the year.
Back to the topic, as the above news item mentioned, the English are opening up at 53% vaxed. Australia are at 13%. So 40% to go.
Thats if our fantastic health advisers are in line with the British experts.

Bend alot 18th Jul 2021 04:22


Originally Posted by Bend alot (Post 11080024)
Is it clear?

Can we work at Bankstown Airport on Monday?

Was a serious question and non the wiser.

Foxxster 18th Jul 2021 05:08


Originally Posted by Bend alot (Post 11080537)
Was a serious question and non the wiser.

not sure the exact nature of your question however if you work in one of the infected, sorry affected areas in western Sydney currently under house arrest then you can still enter the danger zone and work and return home as usual.

which yes, sounds completely ridiculous but there you are. If that doesn’t answer your question, please be more specific.

Redongo 18th Jul 2021 05:31

I see that various politicians are hyperventilating about deporting Katie Hopkins after her (taking the p**s) comments from Hotel quarantine…. That exactly what she wants…free publicity!

Move on…nothing to see here. Ignore.

More importantly I was interested to see that apparently the NSW Govt has made an exception to caps on entry from overseas for “Big Brother” Contestants to Australia… good to see the famous Australian double standards are still diligently being applied! Oh dear.

WingNut60 18th Jul 2021 05:57


Originally Posted by Torukmacto (Post 11080522)
Toronto is where he is . Many older people die and some have coronavirus it’s sad but a fact of life . Vaccinations and some basic precautions will improve chances .

I remember an old rationalisation that was sort of folklore in Thailand that allowed devout Buddhists to eat fish.
The rationalisation was, that they would have drowned anyway.

The assertion that it's "only older people and they would have died anyway" reminds me of that rationisation.
It flies in the face of common morality but, hey, if it suits your argument.........................

One thing is certain, that without massively increased vaccination rates, either in Toronto or Sydney, infection rates, hospitalisations and additional deaths will not be improved by loosening travel restrictions.

And for the record, while case rates in Ontario are reasonably stable at the moment, of the additional 176 cases on Friday, just 21 were over the age of 60.
33 were school-aged. Of which, 15 were aged between 4 and 8 years old.


Bend alot 18th Jul 2021 06:15


Originally Posted by Foxxster (Post 11080543)
not sure the exact nature of your question however if you work in one of the infected, sorry affected areas in western Sydney currently under house arrest then you can still enter the danger zone and work and return home as usual.

which yes, sounds completely ridiculous but there you are. If that doesn’t answer your question, please be more specific.

I did expect the answer to be ridiculous - thanks for confirmation.

Aussie Bob 18th Jul 2021 07:48


“the truth is that while many people will contract this virus that it’s clear, just as people get the flu each year, it is a more severe condition than the flu, but for the vast majority … around 8 in 10 is our advice, it will be a mild illness and it will pass.”
Not me, this was one Scott Morrison in March last year. Nothing has changed except he was being pessimistic. About 1 in 10 might get something a bit more severe than the flu and about 1 in 500 might end up in hospital. The vast majority will not even get it. Don't take my word for it, just watch the stats that the ABC is giving us. Over 1000 "cases" in NSW so far, the majority of which had to have the test just to find out they are in fact "a case". After a positive test they are sent home to isolate. Oh, and we have had a death, a lady in her '90s. There is an enormous difference between a "case" and someone sick with covid.

For this we are expected to take a vaccine that is not a vaccine but a new MRA, never tried before experiment that will only protect us from others that have had the same "vaccine".

Let's open up all the borders and end the lockdowns now please.

chookcooker 18th Jul 2021 07:59


Originally Posted by Aussie Bob (Post 11080600)
Not me, this was one Scott Morrison in March last year. Nothing has changed except he was being pessimistic. About 1 in 10 might get something a bit more severe than the flu and about 1 in 500 might end up in hospital. The vast majority will not even get it. Don't take my word for it, just watch the stats that the ABC is giving us. Over 1000 "cases" in NSW so far, the majority of which had to have the test just to find out they are in fact "a case". After a positive test they are sent home to isolate. Oh, and we have had a death, a lady in her '90s. There is an enormous difference between a "case" and someone sick with covid.

For this we are expected to take a vaccine that is not a vaccine but a new MRA, never tried before experiment that will only protect us from others that have had the same "vaccine".

Let's open up all the borders and end the lockdowns now please.

none of this is accurate.

mattyj 18th Jul 2021 08:13

I don’t know why people keep quoting such low numbers for the UK..they have huge numbers of vaccinated

https://www.bbc.com/news/health-55274833



So far, more than 46 million people have had a first vaccine dose - almost 90% of the adult population - and more than 35 million - around two-thirds of adults - have had both doses.

still on a massive cases spike (even though cases don’t, and never have, actually meant anything)

PoppaJo 18th Jul 2021 08:14

Potentially highly sensationalist garbage, however Seven News this evening at 830pm a story on FedEx Flight 77


blubak 18th Jul 2021 08:35


Originally Posted by WingNut60 (Post 11080511)
Yes, a real worry. When the talking head that you've appointed to give you the advice that you appointed her to give fails to give you that advice.

I wonder what her advice will be after she sees the footage of bondi today,hundreds walking around,very few masks,surfboards being carried around,got to get out in the sun i guess,why would you bother staying home??
Admittedly melb weather was cool today but when i walked to my local park there were people out however i would say mask wearing was at least 98%,i just wonder why its so hard in nsw for people to get the message.

Aussie Bob 18th Jul 2021 09:50


none of this is accurate.
Non of any of this is accurate. The truth is, nobody knows what the truth is. I certainly don't, I post opinion! Feel free to disagree.

Ladloy 18th Jul 2021 10:48


Originally Posted by Aussie Bob (Post 11080600)
Not me, this was one Scott Morrison in March last year. Nothing has changed except he was being pessimistic. About 1 in 10 might get something a bit more severe than the flu and about 1 in 500 might end up in hospital. The vast majority will not even get it. Don't take my word for it, just watch the stats that the ABC is giving us. Over 1000 "cases" in NSW so far, the majority of which had to have the test just to find out they are in fact "a case". After a positive test they are sent home to isolate. Oh, and we have had a death, a lady in her '90s. There is an enormous difference between a "case" and someone sick with covid.

For this we are expected to take a vaccine that is not a vaccine but a new MRA, never tried before experiment that will only protect us from others that have had the same "vaccine".

Let's open up all the borders and end the lockdowns now please.

As of right now 1 in 17 cases are in hospital and that's early figures as there's a lag in hospitalitions. 18 in ICU, 7 on ventilators (flip a coin on survival if you get to the ventilator). As for saying people are taking the test without expecting a positive result, I'm sure by week two it's not just a 'case'. The wprst part of the disease is in the second or third week, while most getting tested are early into their dirst week.

Long term, persistent symptoms known as Long covid are found in 1 in 5 cases. Serious heart issues and lung issues are to be expected by long covid. Give me the jab and I'll be happy to end lockdowns and open borders.

PoppaJo 18th Jul 2021 12:07

According to the Kairouz Probability Theorem we have a total of 109 cases tomorrow

Turnleft080 18th Jul 2021 13:05


Originally Posted by PoppaJo (Post 11080705)
According to the Kairouz Probability Theorem we have a total of 109 cases tomorrow

In that case, Gladys, don't bother with tomorrow's presser, just use today's and dubb 105 to 109.

SHVC 18th Jul 2021 19:17

With 109 cases consistently being around the 100 for a week now Melbourne on a knifes edge. This will only take 60 days to get under control and be allowed to travel again. Two biggest city’s out now Aiviation back to a stand still almost.

aviation_enthus 18th Jul 2021 22:25

Overnight success, 30 years in the making….
 

Originally Posted by Aussie Bob (Post 11080600)
For this we are expected to take a vaccine that is not a vaccine but a new MRA, never tried before experiment that will only protect us from others that have had the same "vaccine".

The mRNA “vaccines” are not new… They also been tried before…

“While an mRNA vaccine has never been on the market anywhere in the world, mRNA vaccines have been tested in humans before, for at least four infectious diseases: rabies, influenza, cytomegalovirus, and Zika.”

https://www.medpagetoday.com/infecti.../covid19/89998

The reason none of these went into full production was a lack of urgency or money. There’s already a “normal” vaccine for rabies and influenza, Zika virus basically ceased to be a threat.

The MASSIVE difference with the mRNA Coronavirus vaccines is the huge amount of money throw at them and the orders placed by the US Government to ensure they got developed as fast as science would allow.

The idea for mRNA vaccines was thought up in the early 1990’s. There has been 30 years of research and development to get to the point of allowing the Pfizer and Moderna vaccines to be created so fast.

Moderna (the company) was set up in 2010 with the aim of bringing mRNA drugs to market. They had already started to pivot towards vaccines prior to 2019.

BioNTech was also set up to take advantage of the development of mRNA in medicine.

https://www.statnews.com/2020/11/10/...-vaccine-race/

While the COVID vaccines may be the first approved mRNA vaccines, the technology behind them has been under development for decades. Just shows what a lot of money and attention can do…


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