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Clare Prop 9th Jul 2021 06:42

Beware the lurking variable...

galdian 9th Jul 2021 06:46


Originally Posted by Clare Prop (Post 11075721)
Beware the lurking variable...

Is a lurking variable in any way related to a creeping assumption??

Ladloy 9th Jul 2021 08:01

Where are all the Dan haters now? What do they have to say about Gladys?

Icarus2001 9th Jul 2021 08:33

https://www.health.gov.au/sites/defa...-july-2021.pdf


I will bite. Gladys is STILL doing a much better job than Dan. Check out the numbers.

Turnleft080 9th Jul 2021 09:11


Originally Posted by Ladloy (Post 11075771)
Where are all the Dan haters now? What do they have to say about Gladys?

Here is one. Back from the living dead. Dan must of spiked Glady's drink when they got on the beers.
Remember the tv show "The Comedy Company" ( the last time we laughed) looks like the Premiers and their CHOs are making series 2.
It used to be a weekly show, the new version is a daily show.

SOPS 9th Jul 2021 09:13

Mark McGowan has just said that anyone from WA that is in NSW should come home now. He said that the hard border with NSW is about to get harder.

Sounds like no one from NSW will be allowed in.. no exemptions at all. Hope I am wrong.

Bend alot 9th Jul 2021 10:52


Originally Posted by SOPS (Post 11075810)
Mark McGowan has just said that anyone from WA that is in NSW should come home now. He said that the hard border with NSW is about to get harder.

Sounds like no one from NSW will be allowed in.. no exemptions at all. Hope I am wrong.

He does seem to get his medical advice from his Kellogg's morning brain farts. (can be quoted as such)

He has the consistency of extremums diarrhoea.

mattyj 9th Jul 2021 10:57

Everything improved in Victoria when Dan fell down the stairs and took some time off

SOPS 9th Jul 2021 10:58


Originally Posted by Bend alot (Post 11075865)
He does seem to get his medical advice from his Kellogg's morning brain farts. (can be quoted as such)

He has the consistency of extremums diarrhoea.

I assume you don’t think there is a problem in NSW??

Green.Dot 9th Jul 2021 10:59


Originally Posted by Ladloy (Post 11075771)
Where are all the Dan haters now?

Still here buddy. Bring back Merlino.

KRviator 9th Jul 2021 11:32


Originally Posted by SOPS (Post 11075871)
I assume you don’t think there is a problem in NSW??

There isn't a problem in "New South Wales".

There is a very definite problem in "Sydney" and as much as McGowan would like to believe that makes up most of the state, a great many people still live outside it.

Broken Hill is closer to Adelaide than Sydney, Ballina closer to Brisbane, and Albury closer to Melbourne. None of whose residents would fly via Sydney to get to Perth, but they are locked out by default, which is nothing more than a cheap political scaremongering and in can in no way be supported by "health advice".

Foxxster 9th Jul 2021 11:37

Here is a Harvard professors view.


machtuk 9th Jul 2021 12:20

In a nut shell there's two sides to this debacle, you either agree wth the lunatics or you don't, pick one and live by it!

SHVC 9th Jul 2021 20:20

International travel is looking good I’m 2022 hahahahahahaha. 2024 if we’re lucky. Can’t even agree on a strategy to keep our internal borders open. I’m Glad Gladys is taking the current approach and not “falling in to line” as the emperor of the West calls it.

dr dre 9th Jul 2021 22:27


Originally Posted by SHVC (Post 11076120)
I’m Glad Gladys is taking the current approach and not “falling in to line” as the emperor of the West calls it.

This is Berejiklian yesterday:Berejiklian warned unless there was a turnaround, the lockdown could be extended beyond the three weeks.

“Unless there is a dramatic change, unless there is a dramatic turnaround in the numbers, I can’t see how we would be in a position to ease restrictions by next Friday,” she said.

The NSW premier talked down health minister Brad Hazzard’s earlier comments that the state might have to learn to live with the virus, and said case numbers would need to be as close to zero as possible before lockdown would end.

“No state or nation or any country on the planet can live with the Delta variant when our vaccination rates are so low. So please, do not think that the NSW government thinks we can live with this when our rate of vaccination is only at 9%,” she said.

“When you only have 9% of your community vaccinated, opening up before you get as close to that zero number as possible, it means you would subject thousands and thousands to hospitalisation and death.”

“I don’t want anyone to feel like that. But if you are not doing the right thing, please know that we will have to have the law come down on you, because the simple fact is, people doing the wrong thing means that all of us suffer,” she said.


I don’t see how that differs from the basic approach every other state is taking or is “learning to live with” the virus.




Transition Layer 9th Jul 2021 23:15


Originally Posted by SOPS (Post 11075871)
I assume you don’t think there is a problem in NSW??

From the loads I’ve seen, there’s probably less than 200 people a day flying into WA from NSW at the moment, with all being tested and going into quarantine.

So I’d say the current measures are more than enough and anything more is a gross over reaction from McClown. But that’s how he operates, so who knows.

SHVC 10th Jul 2021 00:01

If she followed the approach of other states she would lock everyone up 5 days no movement just stop living. She is still keeping a balance. All that’s affected is a few coffee shops that will bounce back and tourism/aviation which will bounce back. Rest of the world has moved on so should we.

MickG0105 10th Jul 2021 00:22


Originally Posted by Foxxster (Post 11075894)
Here is a Harvard professors view.

https://youtu.be/8OLoqg22M7M

Worth watching but probably needs to be tempered by noting that Professor Kulldorff is a co-author of the Great Barrington Declaration, essentially a push for natural herd immunity through community spread with Focussed Protection for the vulnerable. Kulldorff, a Swede, backed Sweden's broadly Focussed Protection approach to managing COVID-19 and seems to remain wedded to that style of management.

Kulldorff routinely gives out-and-out nonsense oxygen by endorsing or spreading it on social media. His latest foray into the twilight zone is circulating lockdownsceptics.org's hysteria about New Zealand hospitals being 'flooded' with children suffering respiratory illness because lockdowns prevented them from acquiring general immunities through socialising.

The facts of the matter are that there has been an outbreak of respiratory syncytial virus (RSV) centred on Wellington, New Zealand. RSV is typically very common in the cooler/colder months and generally affects infants up to two years of age (older children and adults can be affected but most just register it as a cold). RSV infections in New Zealand had been at record lows coming into this outbreak, 98 percent below normal levels. There had been a similar near absence of RSV in Australia over the last 18 months which ended with a spike in March-April this year. Notably in Australia the RSV surges started in New South Wales and Western Australia; two states that had not used lockdowns (as opposed to lockouts) anywhere near as widely as other states during the period prior to the March-April 2021 RSV outbreaks.

The Wellington outbreak is thought to be linked to the opening of travel under the Trans-Tasman Bubble.

Ladloy 10th Jul 2021 00:40


Originally Posted by SHVC (Post 11076198)
If she followed the approach of other states she would lock everyone up 5 days no movement just stop living. She is still keeping a balance. All that’s affected is a few coffee shops that will bounce back and tourism/aviation which will bounce back. Rest of the world has moved on so should we.

yeah lots of balance.....

WingNut60 10th Jul 2021 00:42


Originally Posted by MickG0105 (Post 11076205)
..................... Notably in Australia the RSV surges started in New South Wales and Western Australia; two states that had not used lock-downs (as opposed to lockouts) anywhere near as widely as other states..........

Not sure how you work that one out Mick.
WA has had five lock-downs (I think), four of them being short, sharp lock-downs.

If people are restricted to their homes except where they cannot work from home or allowed out for shopping for essentials, restricted exercise, etc, etc. then I, and Mark, call it a lock-down.
What makes you think that that is not a lock-down? What criteria has not been met?



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