Just been to my Coles in Sunny Coast, the panic has started already, toilet paper shelves empty and being restocked, folks loading up on cereal, frozen food and mincemeat. Crazy.
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Originally Posted by Ascend Charlie
(Post 11069494)
Just been to my Coles in Sunny Coast, the panic has started already, toilet paper shelves empty and being restocked, folks loading up on cereal, frozen food and mincemeat. Crazy.
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Originally Posted by Ascend Charlie
(Post 11069494)
Just been to my Coles in Sunny Coast, the panic has started already, toilet paper shelves empty and being restocked, folks loading up on cereal, frozen food and mincemeat. Crazy.
They need the paper. |
Originally Posted by jrfsp
(Post 11069495)
People panic buying should be tasered on entry.
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The vaccine works Hazzard gave the example today as mentioned above.
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Originally Posted by SHVC
(Post 11069499)
The vaccine works Hazzard gave the example today as mentioned above.
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Originally Posted by SHVC
(Post 11069499)
The vaccine works Hazzard gave the example today as mentioned above.
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Sydney T2 on the list of exposure sites. A good 5 hours too
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Originally Posted by SHVC
(Post 11069499)
The vaccine works Hazzard gave the example today as mentioned above.
Studies have now reported on vaccine effectiveness against infection in healthcare workers, care home residents and the general population. With the Pfizer-BioNTech, estimates of effectiveness against infection range from around 55 to 70%, with the Oxford-AstraZeneca vaccine they range from around 60 to 70% (5, 12, 13, 14). Estimates for 2 doses are currently only available for the Pfizer-BioNTech vaccine and indicate effectiveness against infection of 70 to 90% (5,12). |
Originally Posted by Foxxster
(Post 11069463)
flu is imported. Close international borders, no flu.
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Originally Posted by SHVC
(Post 11068961)
From start till now the states and feds could have built easily almost 50 hospitals as major ICU centers trained 1000s of staff even could pay these staff 20% above award wage to attract them and we would still be financially better off.
. 50 hospitals = about 500 ICU ventilated beds. Each patient needs one to one nursing care = 21 nursing shifts (at 8 hours per shift) = 4.2 nurses per patient. So that 2100 experienced ICU nurses who are competent at managing a patient on a ventialtor. To become an ICU nurse you have a three year degree, then gain more clinical experience and develop your skills to manage the case - a bit like doing your PPL, then a multi engine rating, getting sufficient hours before advancing to a commercial licence, IR, etc.... Add to that you need 24/7 anesthetist/intesivist cover, so that's 5 years basic medical training, plus another 5 years specialist training. Physio's, lab staff, pharmacy staff, etc. The UK example of how not to manage a pandemic is something you don't want. |
Originally Posted by chookcooker
(Post 11069449)
11 deaths yesterday in the Uk although they’re a lagging indicator.
start on June they were approx 6,000 cases a day In Australia, THIS YEAR - 2021, we have averaged over 30 deaths per week, which is lower than average…………….from influenza/pneumonia. Glad we’re shutting borders down for a handful of CASES, let alone deaths. Ludicrous. |
There is a LOT of good news about both the vaccinations and the Delta variant.
The Party cluster is an early indicator that the vaccine appears to be pretty good at stopping infection. Sure, there is a bit of water to go under the bridge on this yet but early signs are good. This is supported by what is happening in the UK. Despite cases surging the death rate remains incredibly low- 10 to 20 times less deadly than previous variants. So if we can get Australia vaccinated by Christmas and a less deadly variant we may find ourselves coming out of this lock down insanity much more quickly than is currently foreseen. |
Originally Posted by Keg
(Post 11069575)
So if we can get Australia vaccinated by Christmas and a less deadly variant we may find ourselves coming out of this lock down insanity much more quickly than is currently foreseen.
Precautionary Restrictions in SA |
Originally Posted by ruprecht
(Post 11069510)
It is early days and this is only a small sample but this is highly encouraging.
I think Oz and NZ did part 1 very very well In controlling the early pandemic, whilst USA, UK etc did very badly. Part 2 however is the total opposite. The vaccine rollout in USA, Europe and the U.K. is going very well and we are largely on our way out of it now with very good vaccine take up. |
Originally Posted by Chronic Snoozer
(Post 11069578)
The turning point? When more than 50-60% of the population is vaccinated and the CHOs still insist on using lock downs as Covid mitigation. I think we’re going to hit that vaccination target in perhaps October/ November. |
Originally Posted by Anti Skid On
(Post 11069549)
Sorry, you're wrong. With 40 hours you can get a PPL; would you let a PPL look after passengers on a commercial aircraft?
50 hospitals = about 500 ICU ventilated beds. Each patient needs one to one nursing care = 21 nursing shifts (at 8 hours per shift) = 4.2 nurses per patient. So that 2100 experienced ICU nurses who are competent at managing a patient on a ventialtor. To become an ICU nurse you have a three year degree, then gain more clinical experience and develop your skills to manage the case - a bit like doing your PPL, then a multi engine rating, getting sufficient hours before advancing to a commercial licence, IR, etc.... Add to that you need 24/7 anesthetist/intesivist cover, so that's 5 years basic medical training, plus another 5 years specialist training. Physio's, lab staff, pharmacy staff, etc. The UK example of how not to manage a pandemic is something you don't want. |
Originally Posted by Keg
(Post 11069614)
If the data trends in other countries continue as they have in the last month or so then the groundswell of public opinion in Australia is going to turn against lock downs- particularly when Aussies see the rest of the world with their freedom and ours not being given back.
The turning point? When more than 50-60% of the population is vaccinated and the CHOs still insist on using lock downs as Covid mitigation. I think we’re going to hit that vaccination target in perhaps October/ November. |
Well the PMs comments tonight gave the strongest indication yet that the border wont be opening anytime soon and that he is not going to accept any level of death.
These quarantine centre's are being built for the long haul. |
Mark McGowan about to give a press conference. Standby for possible lock down. ( that’s just my guess.) Hope I’m wrong.
Well I was wrong |
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