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turbantime 28th Jun 2021 01:32

Someone above already provided some info around this but in the latest presser it was advised that 30 people attended the West Hoxton birthday party. 24 that were infected were not vaccinated. 5 were health workers who were fully vaccinated and they did not test positive. 1 more is a aged care worker who received their first dose and has also not contracted it.

Ascend Charlie 28th Jun 2021 01:59

Just been to my Coles in Sunny Coast, the panic has started already, toilet paper shelves empty and being restocked, folks loading up on cereal, frozen food and mincemeat. Crazy.

jrfsp 28th Jun 2021 02:06


Originally Posted by Ascend Charlie (Post 11069494)
Just been to my Coles in Sunny Coast, the panic has started already, toilet paper shelves empty and being restocked, folks loading up on cereal, frozen food and mincemeat. Crazy.

I dont know why they dont shut all supermarkets until the lockdowns start. People panic buying should be tasered on entry.

WingNut60 28th Jun 2021 02:19


Originally Posted by Ascend Charlie (Post 11069494)
Just been to my Coles in Sunny Coast, the panic has started already, toilet paper shelves empty and being restocked, folks loading up on cereal, frozen food and mincemeat. Crazy.

Don't criticise. Those people are sh...tting themselves.
They need the paper.

ruprecht 28th Jun 2021 02:22


Originally Posted by jrfsp (Post 11069495)
People panic buying should be tasered on entry.

You’ve got my vote.

SHVC 28th Jun 2021 02:26

The vaccine works Hazzard gave the example today as mentioned above.

ruprecht 28th Jun 2021 02:55


Originally Posted by SHVC (Post 11069499)
The vaccine works Hazzard gave the example today as mentioned above.

It is early days and this is only a small sample but it is highly encouraging.

ruprecht 28th Jun 2021 03:01


Originally Posted by SHVC (Post 11069499)
The vaccine works Hazzard gave the example today as mentioned above.

It is early days and this is only a small sample but this is highly encouraging.

Ladloy 28th Jun 2021 03:03

Sydney T2 on the list of exposure sites. A good 5 hours too

compressor stall 28th Jun 2021 03:07


Originally Posted by SHVC (Post 11069499)
The vaccine works Hazzard gave the example today as mentioned above.

Latest data from the UK NHS showing similar.

Studies have now reported on vaccine effectiveness against infection in healthcare workers, care home residents and the general population. With the Pfizer-BioNTech, estimates of effectiveness against infection range from around 55 to 70%, with the Oxford-AstraZeneca vaccine they range from around 60 to 70% (5, 12, 13, 14). Estimates for 2 doses are currently only available for the Pfizer-BioNTech vaccine and indicate effectiveness against infection of 70 to 90% (5,12).
https://assets.publishing.service.go..._-_week_25.pdf

Chris2303 28th Jun 2021 05:32


Originally Posted by Foxxster (Post 11069463)
flu is imported. Close international borders, no flu.

The same can be said of Covid

Anti Skid On 28th Jun 2021 06:17


Originally Posted by SHVC (Post 11068961)
From start till now the states and feds could have built easily almost 50 hospitals as major ICU centers trained 1000s of staff even could pay these staff 20% above award wage to attract them and we would still be financially better off.

.

Sorry, you're wrong. With 40 hours you can get a PPL; would you let a PPL look after passengers on a commercial aircraft?

50 hospitals = about 500 ICU ventilated beds. Each patient needs one to one nursing care = 21 nursing shifts (at 8 hours per shift) = 4.2 nurses per patient. So that 2100 experienced ICU nurses who are competent at managing a patient on a ventialtor.

To become an ICU nurse you have a three year degree, then gain more clinical experience and develop your skills to manage the case - a bit like doing your PPL, then a multi engine rating, getting sufficient hours before advancing to a commercial licence, IR, etc....

Add to that you need 24/7 anesthetist/intesivist cover, so that's 5 years basic medical training, plus another 5 years specialist training. Physio's, lab staff, pharmacy staff, etc.

The UK example of how not to manage a pandemic is something you don't want.

ScepticalOptomist 28th Jun 2021 06:45


Originally Posted by chookcooker (Post 11069449)
11 deaths yesterday in the Uk although they’re a lagging indicator.
start on June they were approx 6,000 cases a day

11 deaths a day?

In Australia, THIS YEAR - 2021, we have averaged over 30 deaths per week, which is lower than average…………….from influenza/pneumonia.

Glad we’re shutting borders down for a handful of CASES, let alone deaths.

Ludicrous.

Keg 28th Jun 2021 06:55

There is a LOT of good news about both the vaccinations and the Delta variant.

The Party cluster is an early indicator that the vaccine appears to be pretty good at stopping infection. Sure, there is a bit of water to go under the bridge on this yet but early signs are good.

This is supported by what is happening in the UK. Despite cases surging the death rate remains incredibly low- 10 to 20 times less deadly than previous variants.

So if we can get Australia vaccinated by Christmas and a less deadly variant we may find ourselves coming out of this lock down insanity much more quickly than is currently foreseen.

Chronic Snoozer 28th Jun 2021 07:04


Originally Posted by Keg (Post 11069575)
So if we can get Australia vaccinated by Christmas and a less deadly variant we may find ourselves coming out of this lock down insanity much more quickly than is currently foreseen.

As long as we can convince our CHO/CMO's.........

Precautionary Restrictions in SA

3Greens 28th Jun 2021 08:16


Originally Posted by ruprecht (Post 11069510)
It is early days and this is only a small sample but this is highly encouraging.

Early days? Are you aware there are countries that have fully vaccinated 75% of their populations now? The real world data seems to back up the trial results, which is very encouraging yes.
I think Oz and NZ did part 1 very very well In controlling the early pandemic, whilst USA, UK etc did very badly. Part 2 however is the total opposite. The vaccine rollout in USA, Europe and the U.K. is going very well and we are largely on our way out of it now with very good vaccine take up.

Keg 28th Jun 2021 08:30


Originally Posted by Chronic Snoozer (Post 11069578)
As long as we can convince our CHO/CMO's.........

Precautionary Restrictions in SA

If the data trends in other countries continue as they have in the last month or so then the groundswell of public opinion in Australia is going to turn against lock downs- particularly when Aussies see the rest of the world with their freedom and ours not being given back.

The turning point? When more than 50-60% of the population is vaccinated and the CHOs still insist on using lock downs as Covid mitigation. I think we’re going to hit that vaccination target in perhaps October/ November.

SHVC 28th Jun 2021 09:22


Originally Posted by Anti Skid On (Post 11069549)
Sorry, you're wrong. With 40 hours you can get a PPL; would you let a PPL look after passengers on a commercial aircraft?

50 hospitals = about 500 ICU ventilated beds. Each patient needs one to one nursing care = 21 nursing shifts (at 8 hours per shift) = 4.2 nurses per patient. So that 2100 experienced ICU nurses who are competent at managing a patient on a ventialtor.

To become an ICU nurse you have a three year degree, then gain more clinical experience and develop your skills to manage the case - a bit like doing your PPL, then a multi engine rating, getting sufficient hours before advancing to a commercial licence, IR, etc....

Add to that you need 24/7 anesthetist/intesivist cover, so that's 5 years basic medical training, plus another 5 years specialist training. Physio's, lab staff, pharmacy staff, etc.

The UK example of how not to manage a pandemic is something you don't want.

Yes i agree, this was a post on the fly but the intention of it was Australia tax payers dollars would be far better spent on building infrastructure that would get us to normal, not keep us dealing with daily cases. Billions spent on camps is ludicrous.

ruprecht 28th Jun 2021 09:46


Originally Posted by Keg (Post 11069614)
If the data trends in other countries continue as they have in the last month or so then the groundswell of public opinion in Australia is going to turn against lock downs- particularly when Aussies see the rest of the world with their freedom and ours not being given back.

The turning point? When more than 50-60% of the population is vaccinated and the CHOs still insist on using lock downs as Covid mitigation. I think we’re going to hit that vaccination target in perhaps October/ November.

I reckon it will start to happen when we hit 40-50%. At my secondary employment, the lockdown is treated as almost an annoyance by those of us who are fully vaccinated. Once we get to approx 40% the voices will get louder and start to influence policy.

jrfsp 28th Jun 2021 11:48

Well the PMs comments tonight gave the strongest indication yet that the border wont be opening anytime soon and that he is not going to accept any level of death.

These quarantine centre's are being built for the long haul.


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