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-41 27th Jun 2021 01:48

SHVC Agreed. I’d rather see the frustration directed to the inept performance of the health experts and politicians. These lockdowns and restrictions will never cease as the virus continues to mutate. Apportioning blame then placing the spotlight on a individual driver for spreading a virus whilst transporting aircrew Is total bullshit.

PoppaJo 27th Jun 2021 02:05

Darwin falling over now. 3 days from 1pm. Gunner not guaranteeing thatís the end point either.

Foxxster 27th Jun 2021 02:40

The Pfizer vaccine has caused some heart issues in Israel. In young people. Waiting for that to get into the mainstream media like the AstraZeneca bloodclots. Yes the incidence is small for the heart issues but so is the blood clots incidence.

SHVC 27th Jun 2021 02:55

Well Scotty better step up and announce a JK 3.0 now. NSW is blocked in all states WA will announce NT blocked in next few minutes leaving little for tourism to survive here.

Keg 27th Jun 2021 03:13

It’s been announced already. Payments of $500 (more than 20 hours per week) or $325 a week (less than 20 hours) if you have less than $10K of ‘liquid assets’ and can’t work. It was announced when Victoria went into lockdown last month. Only applies I think after the first week.

mattyj 27th Jun 2021 03:38


Originally Posted by Potsie Weber (Post 11068962)
Wrong! There is no spike protein in the vaccines.

geez talk about splitting hairs..okay you win..the vaccines contain the genetic code that enables our cells to produce the spike protein

PoppaJo 27th Jun 2021 04:09


Originally Posted by SHVC (Post 11068971)
Well Scotty better step up and announce a JK 3.0 now. NSW is blocked in all states WA will announce NT blocked in next few minutes leaving little for tourism to survive here.

Spoke too soon.

WA- restrictions just now introduced case discovered and active in the community for last week.

SA press conference at 3.

It wonít be long until Melbourne to Mildura is the nations number 1 route!

Chronic Snoozer 27th Jun 2021 04:47


Originally Posted by PoppaJo (Post 11068979)
Spoke too soon.

WA- restrictions just now introduced case discovered and active in the community for last week.

SA press conference at 3.

It wonít be long until Melbourne to Mildura is the nations number 1 route!

Go Tassie!

jrfsp 27th Jun 2021 05:01

This is the worst situation since the national lockdown last year. Aviation will basically be at a stand still for a month at least.

Wheres Slowmo? Too occupied on ancestry.com

Potsie Weber 27th Jun 2021 05:02


Originally Posted by mattyj (Post 11068974)
geez talk about splitting hairs..okay you win..the vaccines contain the genetic code that enables our cells to produce the spike protein

And keep going, have a look at the difference between spike protein produced through vaccination versus infection, there are significant differences.

This virus isn’t going anywhere, it will circulate the globe forever. Elimination is not possible. At some point you will be exposed to the virus and the only difference will be whether you have been vaccinated or not. To me, the risk of side effects from the vaccine far outweighs the risks to health from being exposed unvaccinated.

mattyj 27th Jun 2021 05:17

The spike protein in the vaccine doesnít remain in the cell that produces it but breaks off and circulates so itís potentially worse

LapSap 27th Jun 2021 05:35


Originally Posted by stickshaken (Post 11068603)
Canít believe dickheads like you think,
this experimental vaccine is a vaccine.
Vaccines take many many years to prove there worth over time, that there are NO long term risks or life long side effects.

But this so called vaccine doesnít work anyway.

I sincerely hope you do not hold an ATPL.
If you do, please go and burn it- I don't want to see you operating heavy machinery with such a lack of cognitive skill.

dr dre 27th Jun 2021 05:57


Originally Posted by mattyj (Post 11068990)
The spike protein in the vaccine doesnít remain in the cell that produces it but breaks off and circulates so itís potentially worse

I think most people can sense youíre full of it, but if anyone wants a scientific debunking of that rubbish:

ĎToxicí spike protein claims misinterpret vaccine study

Now stop posting that nonsense, thereís more serious and relevant issues that should be discussed on this thread than that tripe.

blubak 27th Jun 2021 06:49


Originally Posted by jrfsp (Post 11068986)
This is the worst situation since the national lockdown last year. Aviation will basically be at a stand still for a month at least.

Wheres Slowmo? Too occupied on ancestry.com

Gladys is into him now about the lack of vaccinations available. How long is he going to hide for.
With her venting her frustration now its time he forgets about his photo opportunities & sorts this mess out..

Cafe City 27th Jun 2021 06:57

While much has been spoken about the increased communicability of some of the latest variants, I have not heard any of the CHOs mention to what extent the reported positive cases are suffering in terms of health outcomes or treatment response.
I am not of course expecting them to give details of individual cases but in the early days of the pandemic in Europe, we saw graphic footage of people literally gasping their last breaths and doctors being able to do little about it.
So for the current crop of positive cases in Australia, how sick in general are these people? Are the majority showing nothing worse than what would have put them on sick leave from work for a few days 2 years ago? Or are they all in hospital under constant attention with life-threatening symptoms?
I ask the question because I genuinely have not heard or read of what has happened to the vast majority who were positive over the past few months.
Also the seeming lack of people who have or are aware they have debilitating symptoms even though they have been in contact with these positive cases does not seem to add up. (I don't mean that in a conspiratorial manner - just an observation)
Can anybody enlighten me??

turbantime 27th Jun 2021 07:20


Originally Posted by Foxxster (Post 11068970)
The Pfizer vaccine has caused some heart issues in Israel. In young people. Waiting for that to get into the mainstream media like the AstraZeneca bloodclots. Yes the incidence is small for the heart issues but so is the blood clots incidence.

And all have recovered after some mild symptoms.

chookcooker 27th Jun 2021 08:16


Originally Posted by Potsie Weber (Post 11068987)
To me, the risk of side effects from the vaccine far outweighs the risks to health from being exposed unvaccinated.

then youíre an idiot.

tangwang 27th Jun 2021 08:30


Originally Posted by Cafe City (Post 11069024)
While much has been spoken about the increased communicability of some of the latest variants, I have not heard any of the CHOs mention to what extent the reported positive cases are suffering in terms of health outcomes or treatment response.
I am not of course expecting them to give details of individual cases but in the early days of the pandemic in Europe, we saw graphic footage of people literally gasping their last breaths and doctors being able to do little about it.
So for the current crop of positive cases in Australia, how sick in general are these people? Are the majority showing nothing worse than what would have put them on sick leave from work for a few days 2 years ago? Or are they all in hospital under constant attention with life-threatening symptoms?
I ask the question because I genuinely have not heard or read of what has happened to the vast majority who were positive over the past few months.
Also the seeming lack of people who have or are aware they have debilitating symptoms even though they have been in contact with these positive cases does not seem to add up. (I don't mean that in a conspiratorial manner - just an observation)
Can anybody enlighten me??

I have the same question in mind, I did some online search as well canít find any useful information. There are some new cases in south China, the medical experts in an interview mentioned only a few cases needed to be sent to ICU and all getting better. It seems the variant is more contagious but less lethal, just the government only want to mention the contagious part but ignore the other part. Correct me if anyone has more information.

Foxxster 27th Jun 2021 08:35


Originally Posted by turbantime (Post 11069031)
And all have recovered after some mild symptoms.

300 having to be hospitalised. I wouldn’t call that mild symptoms. You don’t get admitted to hospital for mild symptoms. And fully recovered. We won’t know the full impact until they die. It might take a few years off their lives ..who knows.

this relates to 7 boys in the US, which are in addition to the hundreds in Israel

Two to six days in hospital..6 days sounds quite serious. Even two days now is a lot. Now doing pretty well. Wow that sounds encouraging. Not fully recovered…. And only likely heart changes were temporary. But we don’t really know…,

The boys, aged 14 to 19, received Pfizer shots in April or May and developed chest pain within a few days. Heart imaging tests showed a type of heart muscle inflammation called myocarditis.

None were critically ill. All were healthy enough to be sent home after two to six days in the hospital and are doing “doing pretty well,” said Dr. Preeti Jaggi, an Emory University infectious disease specialist who co-authored the report.

She said more follow-up is needed to determine how the seven fare but that it’s likely the heart changes were temporary.

Potsie Weber 27th Jun 2021 09:03


Originally Posted by chookcooker (Post 11069061)
then youíre an idiot.

My bad writing, I mean Iíd much rather take the risk of side effects from vaccine than the risk to health of COVID.


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