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Originally Posted by SOPS
(Post 11129300)
I always wonder about this 50000 people who are trying to get home. The number has never changed. But at Perth airport alone, more than 60000 people have passed through since the pandemic began. I don’t know what the numbers for the other states… but the total would far exceed 50000. I can’t figure out why the number never changes.. there are always 50000 people waiting to get home.
”some people have been in and out of Australia 8 times!” Even the Aus govt figures have show that almost 50% of arrivals in 2021 have been NON Australian citizens (movie stars, business people etc). So halve your 60,000 to 30,000. Out of a city the size of Perth, that’s jack****. Considering some of the remaining 30,000 would be people with lots of cash coming for a holiday to visit family (rich expats), you can reduce that number even further. I can tell you from personal experience that buying tickets from where we are (UAE) would have cost a minimum of $30,000 AUD, ONE WAY (highest was $45,000) If you wanted to come from the USA, last price I saw was $14,000 USD per ticket. How many families have that sort of cash lying around?? We certainly don’t. It’s fine if you’re single and the boss is paying (business travel) or even a couple that really needs to get back, but for families, forget it. Plus to add to this cost, because the government keeps changing the caps, if your flight is rebooked you might have to wait an additional 3-5 months for a new spot. Really helpful if you’ve just moved out in expectation of your flight in a few days. Because you’ll only find out a few days before that you no longer have seats. Then if you try to get a refund a rebook with another airline, you’ll need an ADDITIONAL $30,000+ to book again while you wait for Qatar/EK/Etihad/etc to refund your tickets. So if you’re wondering why the number of “stranded Aussies” keeps growing, look at what it actually takes (and the money required) to get home. Ask yourself if you would be stuck if that’s what it cost to get back to your own country??? But this has been explained to you (SOPS) many times before and you still don’t seem to understand. |
Originally Posted by Dannyboy39
(Post 11129284)
It seems to be a question thrown at every country at this point, and it remains relevant here.
Theoretical scenario: I could live with a mate who has an Australian passport (I’m British). We could work in the same office, drive the same car, get the same public transport, go to the same bars and restaurants and the same stadiums. We are both fully vaccinated for months in what is a waning immunity after 6 months. Come Nov 1, he is accepted across the Australian border yet I am not. Why is that? Is it about a virus? But perhaps in some small way the Australian Government is feeling a little bit guilty over the way they’ve treated Aussies on the “wrong side” of the border for almost 2 years. Allowing a small snippet of sympathy and letting us buy tickets first is a small luxury after being royally ….. for the last 2 years. To add, the flights I can see into Sydney are filling rapidly well into November already. So this idea that we “need” tourists to generate demand is rubbish. Clear the backlog and give Australians a chance first. Maybe in December when Victoria opens up, then they can make it open to anyone. |
The RPT passenger numbers for August are truly woeful , about 12 % of pre-Covid pax numbers , Perth - Karratha up there as a major route
Numbers will remain woeful until EOY Good news Qld to open to hotspots at 80% , predicted to be December 17th Difficult to see anybody doing advance bookings , in anticipation the event will occur given how the airlines have conducted themselves (no refund for you peasant) What are SA, NT , Tas going to do ? Clearly they won't open before Qld , hopefully they will match it but heard something about some places wanting 90% Also anyone want to hazard a guess as to what might happen if Victorian numbers remain high ? 2000 + or so , or are we just going to keep shrieking & repeating the phrase "numbers are irrelevant" & do a rain dance Each to their own opinion , the issue is it seems a lot of OS Medical guys(& countries, ie: Singapore) don't subscribe to that little theory - will invoking Australian exceptionalism make it it different for us ? |
Originally Posted by Telfer86
(Post 11129360)
Also anyone want to hazard a guess as to what might happen if Victorian numbers remain high ? 2000 + or so , or are we just going to keep shrieking & repeating the phrase "numbers are irrelevant" & do a rain dance Each to their own opinion , the issue is it seems a lot of OS Medical guys(& countries, ie: Singapore) don't subscribe to that little theory - will invoking Australian exceptionalism make it it different for us ? The modelling is public with different scenarios. Here is the modelling for vic https://burnet.edu.au/system/asset/f...918_-FINAL.pdf https://cimg0.ibsrv.net/gimg/pprune....5c8d16b40e.png |
Originally Posted by SOPS
(Post 11129300)
I always wonder about this 50000 people who are trying to get home. The number has never changed. But at Perth airport alone, more than 60000 people have passed through since the pandemic began. I don’t know what the numbers for the other states… but the total would far exceed 50000. I can’t figure out why the number never changes.. there are always 50000 people waiting to get home.
I know that only something like 39% of people arriving were Australian citizens a few months ago. |
Many people are leaving that’s why. Funerals, Partners, Study, ‘Study’, Internet love, weddings, and a whole lot of other useless reasons I won’t bore you.
I know someone who went to the states to ‘study’, to catch up with his newly found online lover, and now wants to come back. I think the vast majority are back. That’s those who are actually coming home after a long time away. Then there are those who have always been back, yet find themselves overseas largely for no good reason at all, and now whinge cause they can’t get back! |
SOPS and Obba,
I’m an overseas Aussie and have been overseas since well before the pandemic started. I have been employed mostly throughout, as have roughly a dozen other Aussie friends I have in the country that we are in. To my knowledge none of us have ever registered with DFAT to come home and therefore would not be included in the 40,000-50,000 waiting to return. I imagine there are tens of thousands out there in similar situations to us. And to be honest, Australia is not the same place it was when I left, and I’m quite happy not being there. I’d be lying if I said I was proud to be an Aussie at certain times over the course of the last 20 odd months. Should any of us have the unfortunate circumstance arise such as, losing a job, contract completion, being placed on LWOP indefinitely, have a family member become ill (here or at home), and we wish to come home, then we would have to register with DFAT and would be added to the list of those 40-50,000 waiting to come home. Or maybe we might register because we just feel like trying to come home and reunite with family and friends who continually check in on us to see if we are doing ok, and perhaps meet new additions to the family that arrived since we were last home. There really is hundreds of reasons how people like us have found ourselves in the position we are in, each slightly different. The decision to jump in line is easier for some than it is for others. Add the issue of the ever diminishing arrival caps, and it’s pretty clear how the number doesn’t go down. Can you now figure it out fellas? |
Originally Posted by Expired101
(Post 11129539)
I’m quite happy not being there. I’d be lying if I said I was proud to be an Aussie at certain times over the course of the last 20 odd months.
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I always wonder about this 50000 people who are trying to get home. The number has never changed. But at Perth airport alone, more than 60000 people have passed through since the pandemic began. I don’t know what the numbers for the other states… but the total would far exceed 50000. I can’t figure out why the number never changes.. there are always 50000 people waiting to get home. That system has released between 3,000 and 4,000 places each fortnight or so, and every time so far there has been around 30,000 entries (i.e. "lottery tickets" bought). One in ten may not be bad odds for a lottery where you're hoping to win some / lotsa money, but it's pretty depressing when it's your chances of getting home to share Grandma's 90th birthday. Seeing as how Australia has about five times the population of NZ, the estimate of 50,000 expatriate Aussies wanting to come home seems pretty low, actually |
Originally Posted by kiwi grey
(Post 11129762)
Seeing as how Australia has about five times the population of NZ, the estimate of 50,000 expatriate Aussies wanting to come home seems pretty low, actually
"No problem" says the Health Minister; "you'll be able to drive home in another 9 weeks and wont even have to quarantine." |
Originally Posted by C441
(Post 11129794)
And even lower when you consider there's more than 4000 Queensland residents (and another 9000 prospective residents) who have been stuck just outside that state for weeks, in some cases months, trying just to get home which in some cases is no more than hour's drive away.:rolleyes:
"No problem" says the Health Minister; "you'll be able to drive home in another 9 weeks and wont even have to quarantine." Imagine a policy that CREATES homeless people in Australia just because that state can’t create a process to allow residents to get home. As a proud Queenslander, this pandemic has made me despise the heartless decisions of the state government. |
Originally Posted by aviation_enthus
(Post 11129799)
Now this policy really is pathetic. I honestly don’t know how Palletjack and Miles sleep at night.
Imagine a policy that CREATES homeless people in Australia just because that state can’t create a process to allow residents to get home. As a proud Queenslander, this pandemic has made me despise the heartless decisions of the state government. Not pathetic at all. They are in "results" business ... their results are brilliant! Maybe you should move somewhere else? In case you missed it, all Palaszczuk does is follow Jeanette Young's instructions. EXACTLY what Deb Frecklington intended to do too! |
Victoria will join NSW and open international borders with no quarantine from Nov 1.
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The latest from the Democratic People's Replublic of Wes-Tyrannical Australia:
Tuesday: We're going to open the border to Queensland - No quarantine required! Hooray! Wednesday: Under no circumstances will we be reopening WA to either NSW, Victoria or the ACT before Christmas. If we do that, WA citizens might have to wear masks on Christmas Day, and I won't have that. Oh, and I don't care that NSW is now below the 500 cases threshold that they shouldn't be Extreme Risk anymore. We're keeping them there because their cases are going to go up again. Thursday: Oh, well, now Queensland have had 1 Covid case who might have been out 'n' about while infectious, so you know what, we ain't gonna reopen the border tomorrow, we'll have another look at it next week. Maybe. Seriously, how TF is anyone supposed to make any kind of plan with this asreclown in charge? His comments about not reopening to NSW because WA might have to wear masks or have capacity limits for Christmas show exactly where his train of thought is - and it's no longer the health advice! |
If WA drifted off mysteriously into the Indian Ocean tomorrow, it wouldn’t even make the 6pm news over here.
I mean, they are normally the butt end of many jokes these days in the cockpit over this way anyway. Nobody cares. |
Originally Posted by PoppaJo
(Post 11129923)
If WA drifted off mysteriously into the Indian Ocean tomorrow, it wouldn’t even make the 6pm news over here.
I mean, they are normally the butt end of many jokes these days in the cockpit over this way anyway. Nobody cares. Even better they could somehow float into the South China Sea and join the country they are mirroring. China is trying to build some islands out there aren't they? |
Originally Posted by logansi
(Post 11129934)
Even better they could somehow float into the South China Sea and join the country they are mirroring. China is trying to build some islands out there aren't they?
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The ABC and The Age are both reporting tonight changing border requirements:
- ABC saying that international arrivals won’t have to quarantine arriving into Vic from start of November in line with NSW - The Age reporting that NSW will open up to Victorians to holiday as of November 1. Both of these requirements only applying to those that are double vaccinated. A sense of normality starts to return? |
Originally Posted by Colonel_Klink
(Post 11129975)
The ABC and The Age are both reporting tonight changing border requirements:
- ABC saying that international arrivals won’t have to quarantine arriving into Vic from start of November in line with NSW - The Age reporting that NSW will open up to Victorians to holiday as of November 1. Both of these requirements only applying to those that are double vaccinated. A sense of normality starts to return? |
Originally Posted by logansi
(Post 11129986)
The beginning of the recovering starts now, it will be long and bumpy but the worst of the aviation decimation is over.
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Qantas staff to return to work before Christmas as nationwide restart of international travel begins
Fantastic news for Qantas staff. Now the pressure is well and truly on the recalcitrant State Premiers to open up. I think Anna Stay-away will fold pretty quickly, not sure about what's his name in the west. |
Originally Posted by PoppaJo
(Post 11129990)
As long as we get boosters well underway before next winter. UK dragging its feet at the moment heading into winter has many nervous.
News in the paper today says we've also got a large stock of Moderna about to expire - seriously, we couldn't organise a r00t in a brothel with a fist-full of fifties. |
NSW is seeing a small steady increase in number, the important one that matter are falling tho. Hospital admission down by 22 today, ventilator consistently falling down further 2 today I U has been falling but remains the same today at 124 this is fantastic news that the vaccines are working. Lord daddy will be hating this.
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Originally Posted by josephfeatherweight
(Post 11130285)
Yep - I imagine many of us are now beyond the 6 month mark since our second dose. I'm ready for mine, though I say that mindful that we also need to assist our northern neighbours and Pacific cousins with initial vaccinations if we have any hope of warding off the next (worse?) strain. And Australia has elected to cease AstraZeneca production - beggars belief.
News in the paper today says we've also got a large stock of Moderna about to expire - seriously, we couldn't organise a r00t in a brothel with a fist-full of fifties. |
Tasmania open to everyone, without quarantine from December 15 (presumably, Dec 15 2021...)
Queensland has already stated December 17 NSW, ACT & Vic are already open, only leaving SA & the NT to disclose their dates. Wes-Tyrannical Australia might be better off speculating what year they are considering reopening, given their health advice seems so starkly different to every other jurisdiction on the planet.... All vaccinated interstate and international arrivals can enter Tasmania without a need for quarantine from December 15, as long as they have returned a negative COVID-19 test, the state government has announced. When 80 per cent of the Tasmanian population over 16 years is fully vaccinated, interstate and international travellers can enter the state from a high-risk area if they undertake hotel quarantine or qualify for "risk-based" home quarantine. From December 15, with a 90 per cent vaccination rate of those aged over 12, anyone can enter Tasmania without a need for quarantine as long as they are fully vaccinated. Interstate and international arrivals will need to provide a negative COVID-19 test within 72 hours of travel, but returning Tasmanians will not need a test if they are returning from a trip shorter than seven days. Mr Gutwein said the reopening date of December 15 was a firm one. "We are not going to turn back from that date," he said. "I'm signalling to every eligible Tasmanian over the age of 12, if you are not vaccinated, get it done, and get it done as soon as you can. "Don't wait until December 14." 'COVID will come to Tasmania, make no mistake' Mr Gutwein said he was confident the vaccination targets would be met if people continued to turn up. He said Tasmania's older and more vulnerable population had influenced the Government's reopening plan. "We know once our borders are relaxed, COVID will come to Tasmania, make no mistake of that," Mr Gutwein said. The Premier also said the mandatory face mask rule still in place despite the end of the three-day snap lockdown in southern Tasmania would end immediately. That rule had been scheduled to end at 6pm today, but the Premier said it could end early with no new cases. There are still some circumstances where masks are required, including events like the Royal Hobart Show and Salamanca Market. Visitor restrictions for aged care and hospitals will end at 6pm as planned. Modelling informing reopening plan Mr Gutwein said modelling from the Kirby Institute was helping inform Tasmania's reopening plan. "This modelling is Tasmanian-centric, updated for the aged specific population of Tasmania and hospital capacity of our state and specific Tasmanian targets for vaccination," he said. "While they do not predict the future, they do help inform plans based on different scenarios." The modelling runs over 200 days and will begin on December 1, and assumes 10 infected cases on day one. The model assumes that during the outbreak, 90 per cent of 12-15 year olds would be vaccinated by mid-January, but Mr Gutwein said he expected Tasmania would reach 90 per cent among that age group sooner. "We expect less impact than what the modelling shows," he said. Mr Gutwein said he expected a plan to vaccinate the 5 to 11-year-old age group would be approved in coming weeks. Source |
Interesting rules in Tasmania , no test for locals going interstate , at least they are opening
The case numbers in Victoria are a problem , record case numbers 2300 , record deaths & 100 or so on ventilators & rising Vic Govt are off the charts with their boasting & self-congratulations about what a Jolly Good Show it has all been Andrews said today "I'm Bloody Proud" - what's he talking about here ? The concern I have is that if Vic numbers blast through 3000 , 5000 daily - the other States will review their position |
Originally Posted by Telfer86
(Post 11130371)
Interesting rules in Tasmania , no test for locals going interstate , at least they are opening
The case numbers in Victoria are a problem , record case numbers 2300 , record deaths & 100 or so on ventilators & rising Vic Govt are off the charts with their boasting & self-congratulations about what a Jolly Good Show it has all been Andrews said today "I'm Bloody Proud" - what's he talking about here ? The concern I have is that if Vic numbers blast through 3000 , 5000 daily - the other States will review their position honestly, I couldn't tell the diff today heading out, looks to me the same amount of cars on the street as the last 3-4 weeks |
The VIC lockdown was effectively over a couple of months back. Just now you can go into bars and restaurants and get your haircut.
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Yes, this last lockdown in MEL had a distinct "Boy who cried Wolf" feel to it.
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Originally Posted by Telfer86
(Post 11130371)
Interesting rules in Tasmania , no test for locals going interstate , at least they are opening
The case numbers in Victoria are a problem , record case numbers 2300 , record deaths & 100 or so on ventilators & rising Vic Govt are off the charts with their boasting & self-congratulations about what a Jolly Good Show it has all been Andrews said today "I'm Bloody Proud" - what's he talking about here ? The concern I have is that if Vic numbers blast through 3000 , 5000 daily - the other States will review their position Jane was right, people will die, but it’s a fact of life. Let’s get on with it and stop counting. |
WA will not open anytime soon more than likely April 2022 Lord Daddy is given December 1st and 31st depending which group industry you work in as a deadline for first dose of vaccine. This just proves he is still trying to make noice to keep himself relevant. Stay closed WA please.
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Originally Posted by SHVC
(Post 11130740)
This just proves he is still trying to make noice to keep himself relevant. Stay closed WA please.
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Originally Posted by morno
(Post 11130595)
Ah yes, let’s all hide inside of our homes for the rest of our lives and quiver in fear.
Jane was right, people will die, but it’s a fact of life. Let’s get on with it and stop counting. |
Nah he has his eye on the Federal election and helping Labor as much as possible. Worked for him at the state level. |
The April date is coincidental with the May dead line for a federal election. It’s rumored Sco Mo is going to call it when getting back from the Glasgow summit. Imagine doing the election in January whilst WA is shut and eastern states are traveling freely around the world. Labor will loose WA big time.
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Originally Posted by SHVC
(Post 11130848)
The April date is coincidental with the May dead line for a federal election. It’s rumored Sco Mo is going to call it when getting back from the Glasgow summit. Imagine doing the election in January whilst WA is shut and eastern states are traveling freely around the world. Labor will loose WA big time.
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Originally Posted by Ladloy
(Post 11130851)
right now West Australians couldn't give a flying **** about borders, but will be interesting. Scomo calling it post Glasgow is risky.
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Originally Posted by SHVC
(Post 11130740)
WA will not open anytime soon more than likely April 2022 Lord Daddy is given December 1st and 31st depending which group industry you work in as a deadline for first dose of vaccine. This just proves he is still trying to make noice to keep himself relevant. Stay closed WA please.
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What I can’t understand is why all these people that live east of our border are obsessed with what we do in WA.
You are all open, enjoy it. Leave us alone. We enjoy what we have her. And you might be shocked .. but WA is not full of bogans. |
Originally Posted by SOPS
(Post 11130862)
What I can’t understand is why all these people that live east of our border are obsessed with what we do in WA.
You are all open, enjoy it. Leave us alone. We enjoy what we have her. And you might be shocked .. but WA is not full of bogans. |
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