Originally Posted by 43Inches
(Post 11161187)
I'm in the 'at risk' group as well, my folks are well into the high risk age group and so on being well over 60 and some in their 80s. The vaccine does not 'stop working' at 5-6 months, it just starts to reduce in effectiveness, so where it had 90% protection it might drop to 60% protection, the booster just kicks it back up to higher levels. Really just depends on what you consider acceptable protection for the circumstance. If Omicron is as docile as stated then even with 50% protection(that one depends on who you believe also) it probably would stop any severe infection, just the problem if you encounter any remaining delta, which is still circulating in Melbourne.
And being, like your parents, in the high risk age group I am not at all impressed by a national directive to "just get vaccinated" when the same government will not allow me to do so. Atagi 24 Dec
I can't help but suspect (strongly suspect) that either the vaccine, hardware or resources for administering same are simply not available. But hey, you won't win a federal election by admitting that. |
Yeah, the booster program for A-Z recipients is skewed against you. You can try your luck at a chemist. My wife went in and explained that she was a carer and she got the booster 3 weeks before she was due. Of course the next day they changed the recommendation from 5 to 4 months anyway.
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I heard a Professor of Viral Disease ( or something like that) from UWA interviewed last week. He said that anyone that has had AZ should get a third shot ASAP as AZ is almost useless against omicron.
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Originally Posted by Australopithecus
(Post 11161198)
Yeah, the booster program for A-Z recipients is skewed against you. You can try your luck at a chemist. My wife went in and explained that she was a carer and she got the booster 3 weeks before she was due. Of course the next day they changed the recommendation from 5 to 4 months anyway.
All pharmacies & clinics in this area advise that they are not taking bookings until vaccine becomes available and that is not expected until the middle of January. They can cut the recommendation to 3 days and it still won't get me a booster before 5-1/2 months. |
If you're in Brissy and you're now eligible for a booster, shop around. I previously had an appointment for 5 months and a day after 2nd dose but was able to move that forward to Jan 4th (2 weeks earlier and closer to home) with a little search on Hotdoc.
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Originally Posted by SOPS
(Post 11161199)
I heard a Professor of Viral Disease ( or something like that) from UWA interviewed last week. He said that anyone that has had AZ should get a third shot ASAP as AZ is almost useless against omicron.
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Originally Posted by WingNut60
(Post 11161201)
You would need to luck onto a pharmacy with vaccine.
All pharmacies & clinics in this area advise that they are not taking bookings until vaccine becomes available and that is not expected until the middle of January. They can cut the recommendation to 3 days and it still won't get me a booster before 5-1/2 months. |
Originally Posted by Australopithecus
(Post 11161210)
Why isn’t it available now? Some local chemists here have Moderna, and I got a Pfizer booster last week at a local clinic.
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Originally Posted by Jester64
(Post 11161208)
Useless as in preventing severe illness, or useless as in preventing infection?
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Originally Posted by WingNut60
(Post 11161213)
Bl..dy good question. If you have an answer I'll be keen to hear it.
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Originally Posted by SOPS
(Post 11161216)
Actually.. that is a very good question.
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Originally Posted by Jester64
(Post 11161296)
It's the kind of question you should be asking yourself before swallowing the crap the mainstream media feeds you and especially before regurgitating the same misleading statement to others
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Originally Posted by SOPS
(Post 11161313)
And your information comes from where? Information from YouTube?
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Originally Posted by Jester64
(Post 11161315)
I can assure you I use YouTube for more entertaining purposes
So please inform us of what you know. And who told you what you know. My Doctor rang me today to tell me to get my third shot in two weeks.. as I have had AZ. I assume she is telling me crap, because she listens to MSM? |
WTF are you on about?? I have not provided this forum any information or opinion regarding covid or the vaccine. You however provided us with a very significant and possibly misleading statement regarding the vaccine and Omicron, which I questioned you on. You then admitted to not knowing the answer. So I’m calling you out on spreading possible misinformation.
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Originally Posted by SHVC
(Post 11153248)
Permits permits permits! As there is a lot of focus on the world 1 male tennis player refusing to prove vaccination to be able to play in the slam in Melbourne, he has already been registered to play. I would of thought given the current rules of entry for international arrivals he would be sent to HQ for 14 days if he does not provide evidence, there fore not to much of an issue at state level unless he does go to HQ and still try’s to compete. How would victorians feel if DA made an exemption for NJ to play!
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After much fanfare and backslapping, Qantas will no longer operate to London from early January. Emirates code share tickets only. Loads have obviously plummeted on the back of the UK’s current infection explosion, crushing any demand for travel to London.
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Originally Posted by Troo believer
(Post 11162064)
After much fanfare and backslapping, Qantas will no longer operate to London from early January. Emirates code share tickets only. Loads have obviously plummeted on the back of the UK’s current infection explosion, crushing any demand for travel to London.
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Originally Posted by Troo believer
(Post 11162064)
After much fanfare and backslapping, Qantas will no longer operate to London from early January. Emirates code share tickets only. Loads have obviously plummeted on the back of the UK’s current infection explosion, crushing any demand for travel to London.
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Originally Posted by Chris2303
(Post 11162223)
QF1 is still showing as operating 27JAN
I also checked a number of dates, which showed flights still operating. They are definitely cutting the frequency, however I dont think stopping altogether. I thought maybe 3 days a week or something. Not great for the crew now every port is classed as a D |
Originally Posted by goodonyamate
(Post 11162236)
I thought maybe 3 days a week or something.
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Originally Posted by goodonyamate
(Post 11162236)
I also checked a number of dates, which showed flights still operating. They are definitely cutting the frequency, however I dont think stopping altogether. I thought maybe 3 days a week or something. Not great for the crew now every port is classed as a D
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Are Qantas and Virgin paying for the RAT kits for domestic staff overnighting at different ports?
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More importantly it sounds like close contacts causing a whole aircraft to isolate is a thing of the past (except WA). That’s got to give a lot of hope to the travel industry.
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Originally Posted by compressor stall
(Post 11162471)
More importantly it sounds like close contacts causing a whole aircraft to isolate is a thing of the past (except WA). That’s got to give a lot of hope to the travel industry.
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Except… when a whole lot of people are sick.. because of these “wonderful” new laws … who will be on the aircraft and going on holidays ? |
Just for those outside WA who actually care what we think (I know, I’m certain nobody does), every mate I’ve spoken to over the festive season, all of whom are not in the aviation industry say “let it rip, it’s time”. SOPS is now very much in the minority. We are all looking forward to reconnecting.
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Originally Posted by Icarus2001
(Post 11162480)
Most people will have a cold for about a week. I know two people who have had it, vaxxed, a bad cold they said.
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Originally Posted by Transition Layer
(Post 11162343)
The fairly significant change to Tier D for all ports has been nicely slipped into the manual without any explanation, while the managers enjoy their Christmas break. Classic Qantas :rolleyes:
If this is an attempt to stem the loss of crew I think they will find it achieves the opposite. 14 day trips contained in a hotel room? No thanks. |
Originally Posted by Chad Gates
(Post 11162496)
Just for those outside WA who actually care what we think (I know, I’m certain nobody does), every mate I’ve spoken to over the festive season, all of whom are not in the aviation industry say “let it rip, it’s time”. SOPS is now very much in the minority. We are all looking forward to reconnecting.
I haven't heard a single person who wants the borders open and I'm including medical professionals and police who are going to have to somehow manage this mess while essential staff are under house arrest. When the big end of town realise they won't be able to get their FIFO guys to work because there are no airline crew, no refuellers, no screeners, then maybe he will sit up and realise what he is doing - opening up on 5 February is madness. |
Originally Posted by Transition Layer
(Post 11162343)
The fairly significant change to Tier D for all ports has been nicely slipped into the manual without any explanation, while the managers enjoy their Christmas break. Classic Qantas :rolleyes:
all reverting to Tier C 👍🏻 I haven't heard a single person who wants the borders open and I'm including medical professionals and police who are going to have to somehow manage this mess while essential staff are under house arrest. When the big end of town realise they won't be able to get their FIFO guys to work because there are no airline crew, no refuellers, no screeners, then maybe he will sit up and realise what he is doing - opening up on 5 February is madness. |
Originally Posted by Clare Prop
(Post 11162613)
Really? Your mates must be very blessed, that they can afford to be put into isolation for 14 days with no income, perhaps repeatedly, and with no compensation. Because the problem now isn't the disease, it is the fact that even the triple vaxxed are going to be forced out of the workforce if they are within cooee of a coughing backpacker.
I haven't heard a single person who wants the borders open and I'm including medical professionals and police who are going to have to somehow manage this mess while essential staff are under house arrest. When the big end of town realise they won't be able to get their FIFO guys to work because there are no airline crew, no refuellers, no screeners, then maybe he will sit up and realise what he is doing - opening up on 5 February is madness. You and SOPS should build a big house with a moat and ride this out there. The rest of us will catch it in the next few months and live happily ever after. Even your hero Lord McGowan said today that we can’t keep the borders closed forever. Finally I agree with him on something! February 5 will happen whether you like it or not. P.S. We must move in very different circles. Friends of mine outside aviation realise the time has come to open. McGowan’s fear mongering is wearing thin. |
As a West Australian I don’t trust the Emperor to honour that 5 Feb date, but do agree that he’ll have to capitulate sooner rather than later. I have a feeling the Iron Ore price won’t be particularly helpful to us this year either. Whoever wins federal government is in for an unpleasant mess.
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Originally Posted by Maggie Island
(Post 11162754)
As a West Australian I don’t trust the Emperor to honour that 5 Feb date, but do agree that he’ll have to capitulate sooner rather than later. I have a feeling the Iron Ore price won’t be particularly helpful to us this year either. Whoever wins federal government is in for an unpleasant mess.
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Originally Posted by goodonyamate
(Post 11162709)
all reverting to Tier C 👍🏻
Where was this seen or heard? |
Originally Posted by Clare Prop
(Post 11162613)
Really? Your mates must be very blessed, that they can afford to be put into isolation for 14 days with no income, perhaps repeatedly, and with no compensation. Because the problem now isn't the disease, it is the fact that even the triple vaxxed are going to be forced out of the workforce if they are within cooee of a coughing backpacker.
I haven't heard a single person who wants the borders open and I'm including medical professionals and police who are going to have to somehow manage this mess while essential staff are under house arrest. When the big end of town realise they won't be able to get their FIFO guys to work because there are no airline crew, no refuellers, no screeners, then maybe he will sit up and realise what he is doing - opening up on 5 February is madness. How much longer would you like to hide under the bed covers for? |
So NSW are at 21,151 cases today it’s nearly double yesterday’s figure and worse than the worst case predictions. Those are only the people who wanted, or were able to get tested. Our healthcare system is under stress and can’t handle the exponential increase in case numbers, the hospital and lab workers are at breaking point already and we’ve only just begin this wave. Industry bodies are warning of collapse. Testing centres are closing because labs can’t handle the testing load.
Open up by all means, but anyone who is welcoming this flood is insane. |
Originally Posted by Tucknroll
(Post 11162800)
So NSW are at 21,151 cases today it’s nearly double yesterday’s figure and worse than the worst case predictions. Those are only the people who wanted, or were able to get tested. Our healthcare system is under stress and can’t handle the exponential increase in case numbers, the hospital and lab workers are at breaking point already and we’ve only just begin this wave. Industry bodies are warning of collapse. Testing centres are closing because labs can’t handle the testing load.
Open up by all means, but anyone who is welcoming this flood is insane. |
Originally Posted by Tucknroll
(Post 11162800)
So NSW are at 21,151 cases today it’s nearly double yesterday’s figure and worse than the worst case predictions. Those are only the people who wanted, or were able to get tested. Our healthcare system is under stress and can’t handle the exponential increase in case numbers, the hospital and lab workers are at breaking point already and we’ve only just begin this wave. Industry bodies are warning of collapse. Testing centres are closing because labs can’t handle the testing load.
Open up by all means, but anyone who is welcoming this flood is insane. Estimated baseline non Covid ICU beds occupied at any one time: 387 September peak at 50% fully vaxxed: 242 (meaning all occupied ICU beds at 41% of max capacity) Now: 69 ICU beds occupied, meaning total occupied ICU beds at 29% of capacity. Now can you please define "breaking point" and "collapse" because that to me seems to be very far away from "collapse". This is backed up by Prof Peter Collignon (he says NSW can get up to 2000 ICU beds if needed): Pandemic is now 'endemic' on Australia's east coast - ABC PM |
Originally Posted by Clare Prop
(Post 11162613)
I haven't heard a single person who wants the borders open and I'm including medical professionals and police who are going to have to somehow manage this mess while essential staff are under house arrest.
Poll also showing 2/3rds of West Aussies want to open Feb 5 or sooner so that's the majority opinion: WA border: West Aussies keen to reopen on February 5 - if not sooner Even McGowan yesterday was talking tougher internal restrictions in masks and vaccine passports because of surging cases post Feb 5 reopening, not one hint dropped that the border opening would be cancelled. Really? Your mates must be very blessed, that they can afford to be put into isolation for 14 days with no income, perhaps repeatedly, and with no compensation. When the big end of town realise they won't be able to get their FIFO guys to work because there are no airline crew, no refuellers, no screeners, then maybe he will sit up and realise what he is doing - opening up on 5 February is madness. |
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