If you have to be persuaded, locked down, curfewed, reminded, pressured, coerced, lied to, socially shamed, incentivised, guilt tripped, paid, threatened, punished and or criminalised to gain your compliance then you can absolutely be certain that what is being promoted is not in your best interest!

Ok so easy to say ...and your solution is?

Ask nicely for the fence sitters, everyone will most likely be vaccinated when they can anyway without the need to ask. I'm not sure that anyone can just get vaccinated tomorrow anywhere.

They can. That's if they're in the >60 age group and prepared to accept A-Z.
Asked at my local pharmacy on Saturday. Yep, no problem, we have plenty.

I don’t see how another study is going to show Ivermectin is the miracle drug it’s claimed to be given the countless studies that’s proved it isn’t. Or the studies that recently had to be retracted due to being outright fabrications.

So I’m fairly sure we can continue laughing at Craig Kelly instead of ever having to apologise to him.

Here’s a real life example of Ivermectin’s effectiveness, and the theories of Charles Darwin at work:


A man from Texas who organized protests against COVID-19 safety measures has died of the virus after spending nearly a month in hospital.

Caleb Wallace's death was confirmed by his wife Jessica on a GoFundMe page that she had created to raise funds for medical and household bills.

The 30-year-old father of three helped organize rallies last year to protest against pandemic safety measures, including lockdowns, masks, and vaccinations, which he called "COVID tyranny."

His wife, Jessica Wallace, told the San Angelo Standard-Times that her husband began showing symptoms on July 26 and initially refused to get tested or go to the hospital.

Wallace chose to treat himself with ivermectin, an anti-parasitic medication used to deworm horses, and high doses of Vitamin C, zinc aspirin, and an inhaler.

No all it means is you Australians are a strange lot!

2 billion people are fully vaccinated. Another 2.5 billion have had their first dose.

People aren’t falling dead all over the globe after receiving their vaccine.

Well you can believe that, YES it is the case that plenty of 70+ year olds haven’t had a “chance to be vaccinated” yet.

Personally have extended family in Sydney that struggled to get the first dose (due to having to navigate the overly complicated system) and then when they went to get the second AZ dose were told there wasn’t any!!

Other older friends in Melbourne took 3 weeks-running around (of personal time) before he could get the first AZ dose.

As for aged care residents and workers, I don’t understand why they haven’t all been done months ago!! I mean aged care residents live there, not exactly hard to find them is it….

But given how overly complicated and ridiculous the vaccine rollout has been, I don’t think we are at the point of “everyone has had an opportunity”. That time will come, I’d argue by 1st December* we should be able to easily say “you’re on your own now if you choose not to get vaccinated”.

*80% double jabbed plus two weeks to allow full protection.

Aussie truck drivers are doing the work for Anna stay away, road block into QLD nice relief for her. She will be spewing her Amazon order won’t be arriving today tho.

Pretty sure no PER base,they would use PER as an overnight stop from an east coast city before doing PER -LHR & vv.

I understood they were blocking the M1 southbound…

For you guys in the UK I'll try and put some perspective on it for you. The 20% population we are talking about are mostly our regional people, our primary producers, the nations food bowl, not only ours but yours too. The area has small communities of about 150 people spread over the length and width of the entire UK, these don't have hospitals and the nearest doctor can be 500km's away. We know that because of their isolation they are lower priority, so vaccines are redirected to higher priority zones and in some cases to another state. We know the virus will eventually arrive in their communities, so the vaccines must get there first. At the moment we simply don't have the vaccines and a limited number of delivery teams.

Some in our nation, those in the cities that don't understand the logistics involved, the ones that think Sydney is Australia, want to forge ahead anyway. Our regional communities don't think that way and nor do our leaders in those states. I hope that sheds some light on the magnitude of the problem, they are not antivaxers or protesters, they're all in the capitol cities, the same as yours.

When I commute between properties to move shearers an harvest teams around, its like flying from Dublin to Berlin, then back to London via Madrid, All those little communties are along those routes.

Weird know an actual truck driver and QLD is one the easiest state to get into according to him if the paperwork is correct, one of the few states that actually has drive through testing capable of taking heavy vehicles. Other states like VIC he has to park the truck then transport to a testing facility and back again.

It did t last long only an hr, PH of all ppl spoke with the drivers to move on allegedly.

Not weird at all when most likely CP and his mob are most likely behind stirring this up. There's a lot of this sentiment and poor advice coming from Queenslanders and I'd hazard a guess that one large person may be the prime agitator.

they are also turning one of the boondall complex in 24/7 heavy vehicle drive through testing

In my humble opinion, there are elements to that statement that are quite correct, "except" in a "state of emergency" It gets interesting where the feds open the international borders, does that mean an end the the national state of emergency. The states have those powers also with respect to their own borders, irrespective of what the feds decide. Can the feds do that without the states. Either way it would be federal political suicide. I wonder what the governor general is thinking right now.

1. Australia does not have Emergency Use Authorisation for vaccines. The COVID vaccines were provisionally approved as per any vaccine.
2. Vaccines cannot be forced upon people, but it is quite legal to deny service/benefit or offer incentive.
3. It is likely businesses will not sack people for not being vaccinated, but will make them compulsorily redundant.

point 3. is however discrimination, replace vaccinated, with religion.

It’s not discrimination. As the laws on discrimination in Australia are very specific in that it only applies to certain attributes. Such as age, disability, sex, religion, and a few others I can’t be bothered to type. So there is no framework in law in Australia for someone to claim discrimination for being made redundant for not being vaccinated. There may be other laws you could use, but this isn’t one of them.

To quote from the Fair Work Ombudsman webpage on workplace discrimination;

Religion is a protected attribute; medical status is not. They are not interchangeable for the purpose of determining discrimination in the workplace.

Anna stay away has done her self and state proud once again. Banning all entry into QLD not even allowing a lady that’s had cancer treatment and lives 75km from the health center. But, if you’re a family member of the NRL you’re good to go come in as you please. QLD and WA have their own agendas which premier is more sick in the mind? Keeping hotels free for NRL family’s is just wrong QLDnrs should be ashamed of their premier.

The third point is wishful thinking to say the least. The QF group have come out and said if you don’t fulfil the requirements of your role (ie have the COVID vaccine), your employment will be terminated.

They are certainly not going to be paying QF long haul pilots a 96 week redundancy if they refuse to be vaccinated.

Airline pilots in Australia (both QF group and Virgin) have a very clear decision to make over the next 6-8 weeks - get vaccinated or run the very real risk that you will no longer have a job.

Pretty easy decision really.

I’m very confident that the number of pilots willing to be terminated on the basis of principle will be counted on the fingers of less than one hand.

Couldn’t agree more.

Plenty of shouting from the rooftops from the usual suspects, but I would suggest that all of these ‘principled’ pilots won’t be putting their $200k airline job at risk.

More likely I'd expect there'll be some who are looking to "manufacture" a medical reason why they cannot partake of the vaccine.

Could be an interesting tightrope to find something that doesn't bring into question your ability to hold a Class 1 medical.

If there's any chance of opening borders at 80% vaccinated in or about DEC, which I agree that is what the federal government is implying, then we need to get some bus loads of distribution teams with vaccines on a road trip into the remote regions of the national food bowl fairly smartly, that's going to take a long time to vaccinate all those farming communities. If the virus gets in there before they are vaccinated there won't be a harvest this year or crops next year. That would be a national catastrophe. How do we make this happen, the National Party isn't what it used to be.

Mandate the vaccine?

No need! they want the vaccine, they just can't get it, all the focus is on NSW first and even then the Cities not so much the regions, same for VIC. How long do we have to wait.

No need! We have all the AZ we could want and then some!!

Gladdy is mad keen on opening international to NSW at 80% vax rate. I wonder if thats her indicating NSW going their own course leaving the other states to manage travelers as they approach their borders.

Well get it to us then

Dont know where you are Xptu but in the NSW regions there’s virtually no waiting for an AZ.

Trouble is, many people have decided that Pfizer is the one they want and not many takers for the AZ.

There is a risk of side effects for both vaccines of course, but it’s minuscule. This hasn’t stopped people playing politics with the public’s fears and ignorance though.

The regions have never been ones to complain about choice, that's you city folk. AZ is fine by us, in fact it's preferred, just get scomo to get it to us like he's supposed to be doing.

ZOMGORRRZZZ! We've just passed 1,000 Covid deaths. That's terrible! A true tragedy, horrible! We MUST do something to stop all these people DYING from Covid! Lockdown! And over there, there's children playing in the park! Police! ARREST THEM! :mad:

Meanwhile, in the Oncology ward, a Doctor sighs as he fills out the death certificate and says "That's the 5,658th lung cancer victim this year...":ugh:

Supply it and they will come
 

ACT 70+ year olds now at 99.45% having had their first dose ... and still going higher each day.

Supply (of an ‘acceptable’ vaccine) & our ability to deliver, would seem to be the main constraints.

Obviously not the whole story, but vaccine hesitancy may be more a very small (but noisy) minority than a real issue

I’m in the regions Xep, and most people I know are either waiting for Pfizer or ant-vax idiots anyway (NSW north coast). Pretty much anyone can get AZ - my son got it yesterday after booking in over the weekend.

On the basis that around 4,527 of 5,658 deaths from lung cancer were likely directly related to smoking, little doubt as to what your fictitious doctor was sighing about.

I wasn't aware lung cancer is a highly contagious virus. How long would the average lung cancer victim have been known to the medical system and how much treatment would they have received versus a COVID victim? Do lung cancer sufferers often die within 12 days? Adriana Takara

You've missed the point. Lung cancer, as MickG rightly points out, is mostly (90% male, 65% female according to the Cancer Council) caused by voluntary smoking. And Governments of all persuasions, do sweet FA about it - and it sure as hell doesn't rate a mention in the papers the way Covid is racking up column inches. It's just..."accepted", as part of everyday life.

Yes! I'll try and explain it for the benefit of our own city people. I'm double dosed AZ, the second dose was only a week ago and done the moment I was eligible. I'm based near a major community centre of about 20,000 people. Less than half of those in that centre are vaccinated, not because they don't want to be but mostly because in truth they are fence sitters, there isn't a need right now, there's no covid in the community. Now this part is the serious bit. Anyone outside of 100Km's of those centres only comes to town about once a month. Up to now they either haven't been eligible or there wasn't any or anywhere you could get it. These are by far the greater majority of the region.
Would it be fair to say that we can expect the virus to arrive in those areas around the end of the year, regardless of the borders, is that a fair call?? If that happens at harvest, it will be catastrophic for the nation and the Industry. NO FOOD If we can't get those same people into WA at harvest, very little harvest.

All I'm trying to tell you is the impending problem is bigger than tourism and travel. There is still time to fix it, but scomo better get his finger out.