Even from that article it states that 80000 died all last year from flu. There have already been 175000 in 6 months this year.

Yes the same long term conditions can happen with influenza as well... the kicker is there is a vaccine for influenza there is not and will not be one for Covid for quite some time if ever.

Current cases of Covid are at 22M if the 10-15% is remotely accurate that is 2.2-3.3M of all ages not just the elderly that are going to have problems in life moving on to one degree or another. All this after 6 months.

It is worth keeping up the precautions we have been (not saying it’s all correct, there have been and will be more screw ups) for the moment until we know more.

Multiple independent data is converging on the conclusion that (in Europe and USA) this thing is almost over.

There has not been a 2nd wave ANYWHERE IT HAS ALREADY SIGNIFICANTLY PASSED THROUGH. Yes there have been some more cases in Europe over recent weeks, but colleagues on the ground say it is different now - "there are cases, but they are not sick and not needing hospital like before." This suggests these cases represent enhanced capacity of testing and finding the milder cases who flew under the radar earlier on.

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Australia and NZ didn't dodge a bullet. We delayed it. For a bit.

Consider this


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Read both articles and was trying to get to the part of good nutrition. I read it again still could find it.
Don't you hate it when someone rips out the last chapter of a book.

What, where you pump yourself full of garlic and think you’re invincible?

Turnleft, I don’t dispute the fact that good nutrition is a part of good health in general, but you’re so full of **** if you think it’s the be all and end all to never getting sick from things like the flu and even Covid. Where’s your independently reviewed research papers on the topic for Covid 19?

Well, for what 'tis worth, the WA Premier yesterday cancelled the Perth Royal Agricultural Show (The Show - literally hundreds of people and family businesses employed normally ), citing the crowd factor, the 'separation' factor and the cleaning of the 'various surfaces' etc .to be uncontrollable.

So I guess he means 'business'.....or lack thereof - and please pardon the pun.

Out of curiosity, what are these state and territory premiers doing to support their local business? WA show cancel, various NT, QLD and TAS do these premiers expect Fed Gov support for their own causes problems?

Ragnor your almost leaning to what I said in March and a day ago:
You shouldn't be scared of the virus, what is scary is how governments react to it. A total revelation back then. Not any more.
Dan Andrews now saying the ADF are nothing but a side show.

No surprises here really...

https://www.who.int/emergencies/dise...c/myth-busters

Or here...

https://www.australia.gov.au/covid-19-mythbusting

I admit my naivety of the Constitution.
Is there the ability for the Federal Gov to ultimately overrule State Premiers on border closures?
Granted, perhaps now is not yet the time but at some point if a renegade State refuses to allow the country to operate as one, can anything be done about it??

I may be wrong (I was wrong once before...). but I think that's a Referendum question.

No state can close its borders to other australian states except in a state of emergency. No premier would maintain a state of emergency if its parliament says there isn't one. (the majority of its citizens) to do so would trigger a leadership challenge or an election.
Can the Federal Government overrule a State Government with respect to a state of emergency, NO
Can the high court direct a state to end its state of emergency, YES, but its never happened.

Oh,so its ok for Optus stadium to have crowds at the footy games that are held there but the crowds going to the show are causing risks.
I guess every seat & every surface are deep cleaned after every footy game & the footy fans will never attend a game if they feel unwell to any degree,how perfect,great decision premier.

However, the high court can, and has before, ruled under Section 117 of the constitution that a state body cannot impose laws or acts that unfairly penalise citizens who are not resident in the legislating state unless it is necessary to do so (stat e elections etc.). IF a Challenger can show the risk of NSW/Vicc residents entering WA for example, is no greater or worse than a Qld resident, then the WA government has a serious problem.

Palmer's challenge isn't s.117 though, he's having a go at them through s.92 relating to his business interests and freedom of trade.

To add more great decision making Vic testing has dropped one third. The curve that is bending south rapidly does not represent the true number of cases.
So let me make it clear once again my fellow (East Germans oops sorry did I just say that out loud), if this continues stalag 4, I meant stage 4 may have to continue well past Sept possibly to Christmas.
Your new rations will now include driving to a park to do your exercise. Remember do not break 5km or 1 hour the Covid troops will be flying their drones.

Quite correct, do you think a challenger would win that argument and even if the challenger did, by the time a ruling was handed down the crisis would be long over.

Absolutely - and that's what they're counting on. The cost to bring such an action would be astronomical, particularly if the High Court awarded costs against the challenger if they were to lose.

Alternatively, there may be reduced reasons for people to come forward for testing.

Most likely because there are less people out there showing potential symptoms...

Couldn’t that easily be explained by the fact that common colds and viruses aren’t being spread so much? Even the flu rate has plummeted. So without all these additional sickies, wouldn’t there naturally be less people going to get tested due to symptoms? (Whether thats symptoms from covid or otherwise)?

Might need to go back to stage 3, to test more, to increase the cases so that we go back to stage 4.
This we be on tv soon called "Yes Minister series 3."

If people are going out less, wearing masks and social distancing, then it stands to reason that people are also catching less colds and other illnesses that would have symptoms which would require testing.

That is a partial if not full reason for the drop in testing.

Qantas CEO calls for "national framework" on domestic border

Obviously he has a vested interest, but I could not agree more. There is absolutely no reason why there can’t be free travel between the likes of WA/SA/Qld/NT/Tasmania. When the goal posts were moved from ‘flattening the curve’ to ‘elimination’ by the state premiers, we became hostages to their political whims, and desires for re-election.

When 95% of the WA population support a hard border, why would they change it.

QLD today had a case from an as yet unknown source

Victoria had a miracle today with just under 2300 active cases getting better!

The States will drop their borders the second they have to actually start paying for the consequences.

They must have all had garlic bread with dinner, the PPRUNE miracle cure!

Re busting the myth busters. The WHO must very very worried.

Not even AJ announcing 2.7 bill loss rings any bells in these premiers about opening borders. Couldn't give any horse droppings about it.
Then the SA premier wouldn't allow 2 age workers to cross the Vic/SA border to do work at an age care centre, though it certainly ok to
bring in 200 students from Singapore overnight.

Shortage of Doctors in Tasmania. They can't get across the border restrictions...:ugh:

The rumour is if nothing changes in a couple of months they will shut shop completely and let the feds figure out this mess. There’s only so far you can go...

All for 11 people in hospital outside Victoria, pretty sad really

The best thing everyone can do is simply vote out these delusional Labor clowns.

Starting this Saturday with the fool who wants to close down his state for 18 months. Based on what ****** evidence! Get rid of him.

Aviation and tourism aside- More serious problems are starting to rise due to these borders being closed. Farmers expecting a massive haul due to coming out of a drought which they dearly need. Normally contractors from VIC and NSW would venture north to QLD for the harvest and work their way down back to VIC as it starts later further south.Even with VIC border closed NSW faces the same issue due to lack of labor and the machinery required. Then there is our NZ brothers/sisters that come across and earn their seasonal money, we do not have enough shearers in NSW/VIC for the upcoming spring work another serious issue rising, wonder if PETA will get involved in that!

Allan Joyce is 100% correct, there needs to be a national frame work on opening up. It still mind fu$ks me that we are all closed of to each other. We are currently doing 2 flights a day (QantasLink doing even more) to YBNA full loads 372 passengers a day from the supposed hot spot of Sydney, by QLD assumptions Ballina area should be a petri dish of Covid-19, guess one case makes it a hot spot.

Border closures are having much more of an effect to our economy than the grounding of tourism. Unfortunately one premier is making it a political election campaign which I think will stick unless a Liberal government gets elected.

That's the problem with your Federal/State constitution.

Is it time perhaps to get rid of state governments?

And, yes, I am being serious

Time for State Gov to be review for sure, we have local councils that really take care of the local work.

There would be plenty of support for that,how many ministers do we have with the same title & all trying to do the same job without much success.
The only thing in common is they all get a nice lifetime pension from our taxes & whilst holding their ministerial post they are all happy to tell us how hard they work & what a great job they do.
1 country,1 government,time to get rid of the rest,see how they like jobkeeper!

If Comrade Dans China deal isn't enough of a catalyst for change, then we're all screwed.

It's waaaaaaaaay past time for that. The borders debacle has just crystalised it further.

NZ has managed so far with locking Auckland down at level 3 with the rest of the country at level 2. True there have been some minor hiccups but travel exemptions exist where necessary.

More back slapping from these morons who like you to believe they care,no dispute that Andrews has made a big error with the hotel issue but overall i think he has done a pretty good job(lots will disagree of course).
Listened to Scomo speaking after nat cabinet meeting,more nothing,no decision,excuse excuse excuse,doesnt want to offend anyone,needs to man up!

Blubak, I could not agree more. Sco Mo really needs to grow a set not worry about offending everyone and stop delivering speeches than mean nothing or making announcements that only cost more money.

He keeps banging on starting the economy he surely is not really helping to start the economy, his next election is about May 2022 plenty of time for him, QLD is next in October they’re playing the political covid card for that one. I guess we will see what QLD really think of the border closure in October.