PPRuNe Forums

PPRuNe Forums (https://www.pprune.org/)
-   Australia, New Zealand & the Pacific (https://www.pprune.org/australia-new-zealand-pacific-90/)
-   -   All borders to reopen. (https://www.pprune.org/australia-new-zealand-pacific/632861-all-borders-reopen.html)

Turnleft080 16th Sep 2020 11:32


Originally Posted by Slezy9 (Post 10886489)
Do you have any peer reviewed papers to back up your claim that “viruses just die out”?

Their is stuff in the Lancet though I would need to dig them up. Some basic history can back it up though.
Right now their is no SARS, MERS, SWINE, Spanish and if you want to go back Bubonic plague. No vaccines for any of them.
Viruses attack people with low immune systems i.e. (comorbid, age care) and when their are no more low immune systems to effect
the disease starts to fall down the graph. It weakens it fades and dies out. If it didn't, then all those diseases would still be around today.

neville_nobody 16th Sep 2020 12:12


So how come HIV/ AIDS hasn’t died out? Or the seasonal flu? They are both viruses
Aids will die if it is exposed to air. It can only be transmitted by fluid/blood to blood contact. Which only leaves you a few options of transmission.

exfocx 16th Sep 2020 12:37


Originally Posted by Turnleft080 (Post 10886526)
Their is stuff in the Lancet though I would need to dig them up. Some basic history can back it up though.
Right now their is no SARS, MERS, SWINE, Spanish and if you want to go back Bubonic plague. No vaccines for any of them.
Viruses attack people with low immune systems i.e. (comorbid, age care) and when their are no more low immune systems to effect
the disease starts to fall down the graph
. It weakens it fades and dies out. If it didn't, then all those diseases would still be around today.

Really? Yeah nah. Oh and BTW, Bubonic Plague is STILL around: https://www.npr.org/sections/goatsan...still-a-threat
People are still dying from it on a yearly basis.


https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Spanish_flu
"The
Spanish flu, also known as the 1918 flu pandemic, was an unusually deadly influenza pandemic caused by the H1N1 influenza A virus. Lasting from February 1918 to April 1920, it infected 500 million people–about a third of the world's population at the time–in four successive waves. The death toll is typically estimated to have been somewhere between 17 million and 50 million, making it one of the deadliest pandemics in human history." So a third of the world's pop was immune compromised?

"Most influenza outbreaks disproportionately kill the very young and the very old, with a higher survival rate for those in between, but the Spanish flu pandemic resulted in a higher than expected mortality rate for young adults" But TL080 said a virus only goes after immune impaired people.

"Scientists offer several possible explanations for the high mortality rate of the 1918 influenza pandemic. Some analyses have shown the virus to be particularly deadly because it triggers a cytokine storm, which ravages the stronger immune system of young adults.[6] Oh, that doesn't coincide with your statement?

Btw, viruses don't die because they're not alive to start with, they replicate themselves using a hosts cells, so If you don't know the very basics you really shouldn't comment, on anything to do with CV or viruses in general because you don't know what you are talking about. Just a simple google and you could have been better informed but you're not, so what does that say about your other posts on this and how it should be handled?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Virus

.

Chronic Snoozer 16th Sep 2020 12:46

And another thing. Influenza viruses are not corona viruses. Different viruses (Virii?) produces different results.

KRviator 16th Sep 2020 12:55

exfocx for god's sake man, learn BBCode and format your posts properly...:ugh:

exfocx 16th Sep 2020 12:59


Originally Posted by KRviator (Post 10886579)
exfocx for god's sake man, learn BBCode and format your posts properly...:ugh:

They appear pretty easy to read on my computer.

lololol You should already have a headache so just stop it.

slats11 16th Sep 2020 13:30

https://victimsofcommunism.org/wp-co...A-Timeline.pdf

interesting timeline of the first few months of this pandemic.

exfocx 16th Sep 2020 14:14


Originally Posted by slats11 (Post 10886607)
https://victimsofcommunism.org/wp-co...A-Timeline.pdf

interesting timeline of the first few months of this pandemic.

Seriously? US propaganda from a org set up by an act of congress. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Victim...ial_Foundation

Turnleft080 16th Sep 2020 14:15

In Mongolia, a couple died of bubonic plague on May 1 after reportedly hunting marmots, large rodents that can harbor
the bacterium that causes the disease, and eating the animal's raw meat and kidneys – which some Mongolians believe is good for their health.
Exfocx sounds
appetising. Hmm I wonder if the WHO approve of this new Mongolian franchise. Do you want chips with that.

Spanish Flu (Not a Covid) your correct is a H1 N1 strain caused by thousands of soldiers having poor hygiene and eating poorly during the war in freezing cold conditions. Yeah, that would bring a flu on. No problem.
When the war finished they transported the strain everywhere.
"Scientists offer several possible explanations for the high mortality rate of the 1918 influenza pandemic. Some analyses have shown the virus to be particularly deadly because it triggers a cytokine storm, which ravages the stronger immune system of young adults.[6]Oh, that doesn't coincide with your statement?
Note the word "POSSIBLE". So there not really sure. Leave that at that. Oh! a lot of evidence around that good old Vit D can protect you from a cytokine storm. I reckon the soldiers were very very D deficient and
when that happens your susceptible to anything.

Viruses are dead cells out in the open until they infiltrate you, agreed. When you sneeze they only live for about 30sec in the open.
That's why infection is low in the open and contagious indoors.
As I said before lockdowns prolong the virus thanks for the discussion.





dr dre 16th Sep 2020 14:16


Originally Posted by slats11 (Post 10886607)
https://victimsofcommunism.org/wp-co...A-Timeline.pdf

interesting timeline of the first few months of this pandemic.

A debunking (at Least from the WHO perspective):


Bend alot 16th Sep 2020 14:22


Originally Posted by Turnleft080 (Post 10886631)

Viruses are dead cells out in the open until they infiltrate you, agreed. When you sneeze they only live for about 30sec in the open.
That's why infection is low in the open and contagious indoors.
As I said before lockdowns prolong the virus thanks for the discussion.


Sort of need some even shytty backyard fools, half arsed 3 year olds paper to back your comment.

slats11 16th Sep 2020 14:33

Sure. But play the ball - not the man

Have a look at this

WHO SITREP giving official Chinese timeline. China fessed up that it was a coronavirus on 7 January.
https://www.who.int/docs/default-sou...rsn=20a99c10_4

Except this
https://www.thelancet.com/article/S0...251-8/fulltext

Look at table of results
So China obtained CV from a patient at least as early as 26 December. Now even if the PCR was negative as new virus (plausible), I’ll bet both nuts they would have looked at those samples under an electron microscope. They would have seen CV (which were named for their distinct appearance under EM). So they knew they had a CV problem around December 26.

Cafe City 16th Sep 2020 15:30


Originally Posted by dr dre (Post 10886632)
A debunking (at Least from the WHO perspective):

World Health Organization: Bad guy or fall guy?

Ever the apologist it seems dr dre.

I’m not going to quibble over whether it was the 31st Dec or a day or so later but just as with SARS, we in HK began to see a few column centimetres appearing beyond page 3 of the local press saying there were unusual respiratory cases appearing on the Mainland.

Again as with SARS, the news slowly gained more coverage and got closer to the front page of the papers. It was early January and locals started to don masks more frequently.
Mid January approached and concerns were so high that I also decided it might be the right thing to wear a mask at work to respect my local colleagues.

Being a frequent flyer, I was somewhat surprised to see that QANTAS cabin crews seemed oblivious to the number of pax getting on their flights wearing masks. The CX girls all knew something was up and they were already wearing masks very early on. Meanwhile, despite the Oz govt saying they were onto it early, I probably did 4 or 5 weekly trips into Australia , along with hundreds of Mainlanders who transited thru HK before there was even a hint of concern shown. I recall even having to ask somebody on arrival where they wanted me to put my health declaration and they basically pointed to a table where I should toss it.

By the 3rd week of January it was all but confirmed that something seriously wrong was occurring in Wuhan and locals were calling on the HK Govt to close the border with the Mainland.
With Lunar New Year approaching on the 25th and Mainlanders beginning their ritual mass exodus, the Central Govt did NOTHING to prevent at least 5 million travellers from leaving the region to other parts of the world.

I don’t give a $hit what your vlogger says in his typical supercilious manner (heard many of his before on other topics) , the fact is the Central Govt knew damn well that there was something happening but they were too afraid to tell 1.3 billion people they couldn’t celebrate Lunar New Year as normal.

I’m not saying it definitely originated there but the rest of the World is now paying for their inaction.
The resemblance between the handling of this and Chernobyl is striking for exactly the same reasons.

Cafe City 16th Sep 2020 16:50

Yes you responded to me dr dre then quickly withdrew it.
I reiterate, I said I did not assert that Wuhan was ground zero.
The question is not whether there were some cases elsewhere in December.

I have given you an unembellished account of what the general public were aware of in HK in very early January, with the timing based on messages I sent back to my family at the time.
It is a normal phenomena that over 100 million Chinese will travel (both internally and internationally) in the days leading up to and during the Lunar New Year holiday period to reduce peak loading on transportation.
The outbreak had been confirmed on State media yet still nothing was done to contain at least 5 million travelers from the mid-western region until after the LNY was over. Then suddenly the crackdown began.

Anything earlier would have been severe loss of face.... (yes, that''s an embellishment)

blubak 16th Sep 2020 23:59


Originally Posted by currawong (Post 10886429)
The numbers are trending well in VIC.

Regardless of what is said here, the rest of the nation IS wishing you all well and that the trend can be maintained.

Western Europe looks to be in for another hammering.

With luck and hard work, that can continue to be avoided here.

All the best, wherever you are.

Thanks for your wishes.
Few interesting points this morning.
28 new cases & 8 deaths
CHO Brett Sutton says he knew nothing of security guards being used in hotels!
Saw queen P on tv in qld yesterday bleating on about some new fire fighting aircraft,WOW ,what a difference 1 will make!
Re the deaths,also heard year to date compared to last year,there were more deaths in aged care last year compared to 2020.

Joker89 17th Sep 2020 00:07


Originally Posted by blubak (Post 10886939)
Re the deaths,also heard year to date compared to last year,there were more deaths in aged care last year compared to 2020.

I have no doubt you are right, the only thing this thread proves is everyone has their own mind made up. Experts, statistics, common sense, all have no impact on anyone’s point of view.

Just did some traveling through Europe. Loads were good. Some of the airports reasonnably busy. Life goes on in some parts of the globe.

Climb150 17th Sep 2020 00:15

Its hard to make up your mind when the only thing the media is interested in is convincing everyone that the world is about to end and unless we all lock ourselves away for the next 2 years everyone will die of CoVID 19.

I have seen so many "experts" on the media spreading fear with their huge death predictions that didn't come true that you can forgive me for being sceptical when they open their mouths again.



brokenagain 17th Sep 2020 00:21

Australia being described as the nanny state has never been truer than now. Governments should be focusing on risk management rather than risk elimination.

blubak 17th Sep 2020 00:35


Originally Posted by Climb150 (Post 10886946)
Its hard to make up your mind when the only thing the media is interested in is convincing everyone that the world is about to end and unless we all lock ourselves away for the next 2 years everyone will die of CoVID 19.

I have seen so many "experts" on the media spreading fear with their huge death predictions that didn't come true that you can forgive me for being sceptical when they open their mouths again.

Some of these experts are the public who have suddenly decided they should call up radio stations & talk about crap.
Heard 1 woman yesterday whinging how there were too many kids playing at the local park,people like her need to go home & lock themselves away & leave the rest of us to get on with our lives,do gooders everywhere.

clark y 17th Sep 2020 00:45

Everyone is frustrated, regardless of opinions.


Question time especially for Victorians. What is the significance of the "roadmap" to the next stage having a 14 day average of between 30-50 cases per day? Why not just 30 case average or 50 case average?


All times are GMT. The time now is 03:19.


Copyright © 2022 MH Sub I, LLC dba Internet Brands. All rights reserved. Use of this site indicates your consent to the Terms of Use.