Xeptu,
keep at it mate.

https://www.coviddoctorsnetwork.com/

Why we are not "letting it rip", from an epidemiologist. Old news, btw.

"allowing it to just rip through the community does not get rid of it. What happens is, you have cycling epidemics" - Professor Raina MacIntyre (MBBS Hons 1, FRACP, FAFPHM, M App Epid, PhD) is NHMRC Principal Research Fellow and Professor of Global Biosecurity.

And not one of them is an Epidemiologist. I wouldn't be surprised these Doctors are only speaking up because it's actually hurting their own pockets and are being egged on by the Victorian Libs

No, perhaps not Epidemiologists.
But they are learned.
That counts.

You don't send a Heart surgeon to conduct brain surgeries or vice versa.

So no it does not count.

Well the 13 signatories have increased to 18 but still far short of the 500 they are claiming. Who are the other 482 senior doctors as they say who have put their names to this letter but haven’t been named on their website?

As far as the named signers go, there’s quite a few of them who have some far out political views, and who actively run political campaigns on them. Fundamentalist Christians and a lot of anti gay views too. Leading me to believe it’s a small group of fundamentalist doctors with a political motive not a health one.

Don't worry, we have a Belt & Road plan for that.

Sad to see the country revert to party lines & State Parochialism that hasn't existed for roughly 120 years now.

It will be interesting to see the latest BIRE data when it is released , think for month of June 19 as compared to June 20 went from
5 million to 400k. I think August 20 will be much worse , maybe around 200 k of RPT

So lifting about 4% of total load, domestic is effectively closed

To a large degree what is occurring OS just isn't relevant to the decision making here , our guys/gals(State/Territory leaders) are on their own path, genuinely believe they know
more & are the smartest going around. & that you Joe Average citizen is stupid & ignorant - that is why they talk to you with bubsy babytalk

Only states that are open to each other are SA, Qld, NT ; Tas ? - impossible to tell from online information what they are doing

WA closed to everyone & QLD stating they will remain closed to Vic/NSW until 28 days of zero new cases (hasn't been achieved anywhere)

Everywhere (aside from NT , but 14 days quarantine) closed to NSW & Vic , NSW closed to Vic , Vic open to all Aussies (as is NSW , aside from Vic ?)

It's difficult to get your head around how complex it is in Australia atm. What is ACT doing ?

It is looking fairly certain domestic will remain as it is now (effectively closed) over the summer holiday period , likely what the State & Territory leaders
want

Domestic to "maybe" start proper beginning of 2021 , assuming Vic gets Covid under control & no third wave & no significant outbreak elsewhere in Australia & no imported
cases if one of our illustrious State Leaders does a dash for cash by allowing large numbers of OS students back early 2021 & then mucking up hotel quarantine. How could that happen with the team of living legends we have running our states & territories - they are the best of the best

You can throw all the data & expert medical & science opinions to our State & Territory leaders , they won't listen. All just loving the attention & limelight right now
running their own little fiefdoms

Great if people are organising petitions, I just think it you got all the medicos/scientists who aren't on the Govt payroll these characters will just raise
both middle fingers , give you an arrogant put down & then ignore you

The only concern of the Vict Govt is re-election, the fact that many people have passed as a direct result of how they handled many aspects
of Covid is of absolutely no consideration. It is firstly about your own personal political survival and then party re-election & hopefully a greater majority, the number of bodies in the ground - that doesn't come into it

Not good numbers domestic at 4% ,international (meaning QF/VA/JQ) at 0% , 7.5 months in

To start with I’m a non smoker and hate the smell. The big BUT here is would you also vote in that same party with a 1000% tax on alcohol? It’s a bit hypocritical to jump on the things you don’t like and deprive a fellow citizen but not feel the same about your own vices.

Look, I dare say I would (after hoarding my favourite drops) but it also would be political suicide so a little academic.

My advice from the police was that everybody has an excuse why they were out all the time. The only way to stop the BS was quarantine. It also helped the police in other ways. The only illegal drivers were crooks. There have been some magnificent car chases as a result - with no bystanders to get injured. One was so long that a police chopper actually stopped to refuel.

The attack of the phone snatches have reaped in $165,000 bucks a night after 8pm.

These views sound very similar to comments when debating CC.

You’re exactly right, just replace “climate scientist” with “epidemiologist”....:

“who cares what those biased “scientists” with their “PhDs” and their “decades of experience” in climatology who work for laughable groups like NASA or the CSIRO think, I’ve watched a couple of YouTube clips of Alan Jones and read some Andrew Bolt columns, so I know infinitely more about this topic than the “so called experts”.....”

Looks like the border closures are creating some issues, how long will Queen P hold her ground!

Coronavirus: Bereaved daughter Sarah Caisip allowed to view dad’s body but not to attend funeral

https://cdn.newsapi.com.au/image/v1/...bca5?width=650Sarah Caisip (left) with her father Bernard Prendergast and younger sister Isobel Prendergast, 11

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Bereaved young Canberra woman Sarah Caisip, in quarantine in Queensland, has been granted a last minute exemption to view her father’s body after an outcry over the state government’s treatment of her.

Queensland’s Chief Health Officer Jeannette Young granted the exemption early Thursday afternoon. However the 26-year-old will not be able to attend the funeral in Brisbane on Thursday afternoon, despite Prime Minister Scott Morrison ringing Premier Annastacia Palaszczuk about the case this morning.

Ms Caisip is stuck in hotel quarantine after fighting to enter Queensland, from COVID-free-Canberra, to see her father before he lost his battle with cancer.

Unable to say goodbye to her dad, Ms Caisip was devastated to be refused permission to attend his funeral,

The Australian understands Ms Caisip will now be allowed to attend a private viewing after the funeral. It is not clear whether she will be able to see her grieving mother and 11-year-old sister.

In a letter tabled in parliament by the LNP Opposition, Ms Caisip pleaded to be allowed out of quarantine. She said her father died on September 2, but she had been denied an exemption to attend his funeral.

“Dear Premier, my dad is dead and you made me fight to see him, but it was too late, and now you won’t let me go to his funeral, or see my devastated 11 year old sister,” Ms Caisip’s letter reads.

“The fact that I’m being denied my basic human rights to care for my grief-stricken mother and little 11-year-old sister enrages, disgusts and devastates me at the same time.”

Mr Morrison earlier on Thursday made an impassioned plea to Ms Palaszczuk to allow Ms Caisip to attend the funeral.

The Prime Minister, who struggled to talk at times when reflecting on his own father’s death earlier this year, said he had spoken with Ms Palaszczuk this morning to appeal for an exemption for Sarah.

“I appealed to overrule the decision that would allow Sarah to go to the funeral today and to be honest, it’s not about borders. It’s not about Federation, it’s not about politicians, it’s not about elections,” he told 2GB.

“The only thing that matters today is that Sarah can be with her 11-year-old sister, Isabel, and her mother Myrna to mourn the passing of their father and husband.”.

Mr Morrison said it was heartbreaking Ms Caisip had missed the opportunity to say farewell to her dad because she was in quarantine.

“All of us who have been through that process know how important a day like today is,” Mr Morrison said, his voice breaking. “It’s still fresh in my mind.”

“This isn’t about the Premier of Queensland and me or anyone else – it’s just about that. Surely, in the midst of all of this, in COVID, and everything that everyone’s going through. Surely just this once. This can be done. It can be done,” he said. “There’s been no COVID cases in the ACT for more than 60 days.”

“I just hope they don’t change their mind.”

Health Minister Greg Hunt called on the Premier to “show compassion” and change her mind to allow Ms Caisip to attend her father’s funeral.

Mr Hunt said the Commonwealth had worked quietly behind-the-scenes on many cases, which had resulted in a positive outcome for those involved.

“I know that the Prime Minister and myself and so many others are urging the Queensland Government to show compassion,” he said.

“This is a very difficult situation and somebody facing the loss, the agony that Sarah has faced, as we all do at different times in our journeys, I think is deserving of compassion and we have quietly worked behind-the-scenes on many cases with many states and had very strong compassionate outcomes and I would gently, but clearly, urge the Queensland Government to show compassion in this case.”

Asked specifically about the Queensland government’s decision to allow Ms Caisip to have a private viewing of her father’s body, but not attend today’s funeral, Mr Hunt said there needed to be a transparent system where people could appeal decisions.

“We would like to see a very transparent system,” he said. “So there is a capacity to appeal for exemptions or compassionate or other grounds... and there is a transparent process to make that appeal.”

Mr Hunt said he thought the most sensible and compassionate thing to do with regard to Ms Caisip’s case is if she were able to attend the full funeral in a “COVID-Safe way”.

“I think that would be the most humane, compassionate thing to do.”

Earlier, Home Affairs Minister Peter Dutton attacked Ms Palaszczuk, saying people were suffering because of her “pig headed” border policies.

“This young lady, tragically, will be scarred for life. She’s missed her father’s dying moments, she’s going to miss the funeral and these are obviously moments you can’t get back,” he told 2GB.

“This is Australia in the 21st century. There can be border restrictions put in place if there are good health reasons for it but there’s no health reason, there’s no argument from the doctors here in Queensland for the borders to be shut.

“It’s all for political reasons and unfortunately a lot of people are suffering and feel the consequences of this action.”

Mr Dutton urged the bureaucrats involved in the case to use discretion, saying it was unnecessary to prohibit someone from Canberra – where there have been no new coronavirus cases for more than 60 days – from entering Queensland.

“It’s really upsetting and heartbreaking,” he said.

“I just can’t understand why the government would put someone through that extra grief.”

On Thursday morning Ms Palaszczuk defended the decision.

Opposition leader Deb Frecklington asked Ms Palaszczuk to order a review into “Sarah’s case,” but Ms Palaszczuk said it was “disgusting” that the LNP would raise a personal case in parliament, even though the LNP said it had been asked to by Ms Caisip.

“Everything we do in this house is about saving people’s lives from a pandemic no one asked for,” Ms Palaszczuk said.

She said the bullying and intimidation she had faced over the border closures were the worst she’d seen, to which Opposition MPs interjected: “the Premier is not the victim”.

Ms Palaszczuk said Ms Caisip’s case was “absolutely tragic” but she did not make decisions about exemptions, the Ms Young did.

Opposition health spokesman Chris Bowen refused to say Ms Palaszczuk was wrong to deny MS Caisip access to her father’s funeral, but encouraged “everybody to take as compassionate approach as possible” based on health advice.

“In every case exemptions that are put in place for various reasons, they will be and should be worked through as cooperatively and carefully and compassionately as possible,” Mr Bowen said.

“We have to say we’re all in it together, we have to mean it. While the border restrictions are very important, and we continue to support all premiers regardless of partisanship in those decisions they’ve taken based on health advice, of course there will need to be exemptions made and exemptions are made.”

Sarah Elks

Queensland Political Reporter

C’mon Ragnor, let’s not be too critical of Premier Pinochet! It’s all in the interests of public health ;)

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A good read on the scientific experts of today!
https://www.euroscientist.com/a-refl...ious-features/

A question to Dr dre
In the mid 80s we had a disease called AIDS. Did the WHO advise all governments
to shut down the economies and tell all pollies to close all borders. Did the premiers at the time
give out curfews. All they said is go via the chemist to practice your horizontal recreation.
The grim reaper adds were like the population is doomed as we know it.
We didn't have the premier coming to the mic, day in day out, saying we have so many deaths in their age groups.....
It would of been John Cain at the time. He wouldn't be carrying on like this drongo we got at the moment.
AIDS & Covid. Two diseases that will put you in a box though going about it very differently.
Use a condom for one and use a face mask, sanitiser, and whatever social distance for the other.
Doesn't make sense does it. I know stupid isn't it. Can't wait for the mixed answers on this one.

So, if we should ignore the opinions of any doctor who isn’t an epidemiologist, it follows that I’m right to ignore the likes of Tim Flannery, as he’s not a climate scientist.
Got it.

One is a communicable primarily respiratory flu like illness transmitted by close contact, coughing or sneezing.
The other is transmitted only via intercourse, IV needle sharing and blood transfusions. Two totally different methods of transmission for two totally different viruses so obviously the responses will be different.

The Grim Reaper Ad campaign was considered so successful it gave Australia one of the lowest HIV and AIDS rates in the world.