Originally Posted by PoppaJo
(Post 11138085)
They are now sending out text messages to all residents of regional towns in QLD due to low uptake. Many of these towns have not even had 50% 1 dose yet. Some are still in the 30s and 40s! Many bigger places are also stuck in the low 70s.
Cairns and regions especially are not all that great either. Soon to be awash with covid as tens of thousands start to arrive and pass it on in a bit over 4 weeks. You can thank our local CHO for this behavior. |
Originally Posted by PoppaJo
(Post 11138085)
You can thank our local CHO for this behavior.
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Originally Posted by PoppaJo
(Post 11138085)
They are now sending out text messages to all residents of regional towns in QLD due to low uptake. Many of these towns have not even had 50% 1 dose yet. Some are still in the 30s and 40s! Many bigger places are also stuck in the low 70s.
Cairns and regions especially are not all that great either. Soon to be awash with covid as tens of thousands start to arrive and pass it on in a bit over 4 weeks. You can thank our local CHO for this behavior. |
Originally Posted by SHVC
(Post 11138318)
“awash with covid” really!! Bloody he’ll mate NSW and VIC have been open for a while now and we are not “awash with covid” the fact is, numbers are still declining. NSW and VIC Ppl are not super spreaders so don’t look each individual thinking they are Covid is barley mentioned here now we have moved on. I didn’t even realize WA is still closed untill old mate made some noise to try and make himself relevant but, no one in this state cares anymore.
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The numbers are astronomically high on a per capita basis [in] regional areas such as Queanbeyan, south coast and Albury. |
Originally Posted by Chad Gates
(Post 11136428)
That’s great (I’m assuming you’re over east?). We in the west though are still very much effected by it. Not all of us are happy clappers like SOPS and the 3 blokes he knows who keep telling him at BBQ’s how much they love all this ;)
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Originally Posted by Ladloy
(Post 11138336)
sure Sydney is doing fine. Just head into regional areas such as Queanbeyan, south coast and Albury. The numbers are astronomically high on a per capita basis. Higher than Sydney's case and death rate during peak delta and no one seems to care.
The WHO need to down grade as its circulating relativity constant with in the world population. |
Originally Posted by Lead Balloon
(Post 11138371)
Precise areas and numbers, please.
- Going by this the cases would equate to 69278 active and 846 deaths in Sydney. In the space of 5 weeks. That's ONLY half of the twin city. From all reports from friends who live there in the medical field, the only hospital in Albury is full and unfit for covid patients. They have been moved to the cancer ward because it's the only place with up to date positive pressure facilities. Sydney and Melbourne won't take the patients either. Southern health is south coast, Yass and Queanbeyan, reporting 424 cases since June, no report on deaths as I expect some are added to ACT numbers. Equivalent of 8500 sydney cases. I'm not arguing for lockdowns or border closures, I'm just showing the facts that are hidden in the 'declining' numbers. It's all sunshine and rainbows in Sydney currently but some regional areas are hurting by decisions made 8 hours away. Per capita, regional areas are struggling and are more awash with covid than Sydney ever was. |
Then we’ll shortly see if your ‘astronomic’ numbers lead to catastrophic results.
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Originally Posted by Lead Balloon
(Post 11138504)
Then we’ll shortly see if your ‘astronomic’ numbers lead to catastrophic results.
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Originally Posted by Ladloy
(Post 11138746)
You're missing my point, but anyway.
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Originally Posted by morno
(Post 11138777)
What's your point? Do you want to live under a rock for the rest of your life?
Originally Posted by ladloy
I'm not arguing for lockdowns or border closures, I'm just showing the facts that are hidden in the 'declining' numbers.
My point is people think that opening up is great and everything is fine, but as usual, the Premier for Sydney, PM for Sydney and the Premier for Melbourne have forgotten about the regional areas which are under immense pressure by the crippled health system. There is next to no reporting on the issues facing regional areas because the numbers don't look alarming, but by a per capita standard they are much much worse than anything seen in Australia. |
Originally Posted by Ladloy
(Post 11138336)
sure Sydney is doing fine. Just head into regional areas such as Queanbeyan, south coast and Albury. The numbers are astronomically high on a per capita basis. Higher than Sydney's case and death rate during peak delta and no one seems to care.
If you look at NSW Health's Locally acquired COVID-19 cases for the last four weeks up to 8pm 6 November 2021 you see the following: Queanbeyan-Palerang Regional local government area, population 62,500 (0.8 percent of the total NSW population) had 1.1 percent of the cases (78 out of 6,979 cases); an over-representation of some 37.5 percent. Illawarra Shoalhaven local health district, population 387,600 (4.7 percent) had 4.7 percent of the cases (328); no over-representation. Southern NSW local health district, population about 220,000 (2.7 percent) had 1.6 percent of the cases (112); an under-representation of about 40 percent. Murrumbidgee local health district (includes Albury), population 242,840 (3.0 percent) had 9.7 percent of the cases (678); an over-representation of some 225 percent. Albury local government area, population 54,350 (0.7 percent) had 8 percent of the cases (556); an over-representation of some 1,000 percent. Very clearly, Albury should be a concern but that concern needs to be tempered against the relatively small population. Noting that we are dealing with four weeks worth of data, the aggregated cases per capita for the various areas/districts are:
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Much of the Queanbeyan-Palerang and Yass LGAs were in the Canberra bubble and IMO should be considered along with the ACT figures as they were free to travel in and out of the ACT without restriction.
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At the peak of outbreak we were seeing 4 week aggregated cases per capita in excess of 11-12 cases/1,000 population in Western amd South Western Sydney. And those districts had populations some twenty times larger than Albury's. Country Australia is also very different in how society interacts compared to say the USA, which have more social interactions that promote the spread. |
How are we looking for hitting the predicted death toll numbers of about a month ago? After opening up?
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I’m waiting also. Cases are dropping ICU, hospitalizations and ventilator cases also falling. Seems NT are still playing silly buggers also doing lockdowns without even a case all because a person went somewhere. These states and territories are out of control.
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Originally Posted by SHVC
(Post 11138835)
I’m waiting also. Cases are dropping ICU, hospitalizations and ventilator cases also falling. Seems NT are still playing silly buggers also doing lockdowns without even a case all because a person went somewhere. These states and territories are out of control.
This is quite embarrassing on the global stage. Those American shock jocks, feel free to rip us another one again, we deserve it. Who knows what Anna’s plans are next month when it arrives. I can see myself stood down in the near future while the (most) rest of the country, and the world, gets on with it. |
Originally Posted by PoppaJo
(Post 11138862)
I saw something about a Darwin lockdown I just assumed it was an old article from months ago. How very wrong I was.
This is quite embarrassing on the global stage. Those American shock jocks, feel free to rip us another one again, we deserve it. Who knows what Anna’s plans are next month when it arrives. I can see myself stood down in the near future while the (most) rest of the country, and the world, gets on with it. We need to fact check some of the claims (based on "Best Medical Advice") - thank Christ they do not do fuel plans! |
Originally Posted by Bend alot
(Post 11138884)
We need to fact check some of the claims (based on "Best Medical Advice") - thank Christ they do not do fuel plans!
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Actually if you read the proposed act changes that Victoria wants to introduce it includes mandatory reporting of reasoning and why a certain health response is required. Its basis is shifting the responsibility to the elected member from that of a government employee, so yes while Dan is elected he gets more powers, however he must also put forward an explanation and reasoning for any chosen measures, including medical advice used, which is currently not required. Most of the tripe that's being spread around about the changes, is just that, complete fabrication. The overall benefit to the community is that the process becomes very much more transparent rather than just CHO's and ministers telling you what to do.
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Its basis is shifting the responsibility to the elected member from that of a government employee so yes while Dan is elected he gets more powers, however he must also put forward an explanation and reasoning for any chosen measures, including medical advice used, which is currently not required. The overall benefit to the community is that the process becomes very much more transparent rather than just CHO's and ministers telling you what to do. Under the new laws, the health minister will sign off on an order after receiving advice from the chief health officer (which will be made public), but such orders are only to be scrutinised by a new advisory body selected by the government, and not a cross-party parliamentary committee. Now, I'm no fan of Lawyers etc, but when a bunch of them are trying to raise the alarm, would it not be wise to consider what they're saying? Surely if we're to trust Medical professionals for the Pandemic, Scientists for Climate change, then I think we can listen to a bunch of Barristers when it comes to Legislation. ...the barristers argued the legislation prevented proper scrutiny of government decisions. ...urged against issuing broad powers with inadequate checks in place. Finally, to avoid a partisan view, would you trust the State Liberals with this power? Scotty perhaps? I wouldn't. |
At a time when we're asked to trust the Medical experts, we now have to trust a Politician instead???https://www.pprune.org/images/smilies/confused.gif Not required, sure, but nothings stopping him from offering that information freely. Finally, to avoid a partisan view, would you trust the State Liberals with this power? Scotty perhaps? I wouldn't. |
Not the point, the politician is acting on the advice of health professionals. This is in direct response to the public wanting an elected official making decisions on whether we are locked down or not, not the public service. Anything that is not required to be offered will not be given freely unless it earns votes. being forced to divulge information on the process ensures transparency. Also means we the public have a direct say at the ballot box on the decision as opposed to CHO decisions who are not part of the elect. Anyway, nice to have a discussion rather than have things devolve into hysterics from either end of the spectrum! :ok: |
I think the key point to the transparency is 'what is the actual medical advice'. All the premiers banded on about restrictions being based on this advice, but never released minutes of what the actual advice was. Other than that, yeah probably deck chair antics on the Titanic for sure, however, the rhetoric band will surely play on....
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Ah well, most of Australia will be open for xmas, NT in January I think. MM can play on his medical advice or whatever stay shut who cares. Let’s move on with life.
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I hope nobody has booked tickets to the UK for December / January. Looks like another lockdown has not been ruled out. No way I am booking to go anywhere overseas for at least another 12 months.
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Originally Posted by Foxxster
(Post 11141746)
I hope nobody has booked tickets to the UK for December / January. Looks like another lockdown has not been ruled out. No way I am booking to go anywhere overseas for at least another 12 months.
https://youtu.be/DaOZhh_bivU |
Originally Posted by Ladloy
(Post 11141754)
FWIW, anyone who is self proclaimed as the voice of reason is most likely the opposite.
well the voice of reason isn’t the one speaking so maybe actually watch the video before commenting. Because if or when the uk goes into another lockdown, the effects on Qantas and other airlines will be profound, not just because of the immediate closure of the uk but more importantly due to the loss in confidence in the public. |
Originally Posted by Foxxster
(Post 11141746)
I hope nobody has booked tickets to the UK for December / January. Looks like another lockdown has not been ruled out. No way I am booking to go anywhere overseas for at least another 12 months.
Nowhere in that video does BJ mention lockdowns so I don't know what that guy is on about. Seems to be a total conspiracy channel, plenty of far right theories about vaccines, Covid hoax, marxists taking over everything, you know, the usual loony stuff. At the moment conspiracy theorists are a bit mad that their freedoms they got as a result of everyone else getting a vaccine and helping out society for a while are being lost as the consequences of a lot of them remaining unjabbed are being shown. There are some European countries tightening up restrictions but these are almost all for the unvaccinated, hopefully a push for them to get a jab. Australia has about 69% fully vaccinated now, compared to places like the UK and Germany with 67-68% and we are still increasing, should be close to 80% total population and well over 90% 12+ by year's end. Countries that reached this higher level of vaccination like Spain and Portugal haven't been affected by the current European wave. As Australia will have a much higher vaccination rate and will impose a lot more restrictions on the unvaccinated from the start of opening up then we should avoid those problems here. |
I tend to agree with Dr Dre, yes I won’t forgive the idiotic PM for his pathetic vaccine rollout, but I always knew Australia would answer the call and achieve higher vaccination rates than most other countries, hell you only have to look at the childhood vaccination rates here to see this. These so called health experts were warning of a massive spike in cases in NSW and VIC after reopening, they have been comprehensively proven bull$hit. For Christ sake it’s only a reopening for the fully vaccinated, it’s pretty common sense there would be no spike in cases.
Apparently case numbers don’t matter yet 2 days ago you had the Murdoch media going on about a disturbing upward trend yet today spruiking a massive drop in cases… I mean WTF ? Are journalists these days properly educated or are they just becoming more brain dead by the year? As a nation we have completely lost the plot, we have become a bastion of Snowflakes and idiots that are putting up a siege mentality rather than actually knowing properly what the go is overseas. Japan just had 201 new cases of Covid yesterday, in a population of 125 million. Yes bejesus in a month you can come from VIC to QLD but hell no! QLD needs 90% of 12+ before international quarantine free travel. What a frickin joke. You will need hotel quarantine coming from Japan next month but no quarantine from VIC. At the moment you have 2085% more chance of contracting Covid in VIC than in Japan but let’s open up to VIC first..we have completely lost it. The health experts have taken over and we are losing because of it. I mean the ACT just relaxed restrictions last week and they are at 95% fully vaccinated? WTF? I for one have given up on all the idiotic states bull crap , and will be using my copious amounts of leave to remove myself from any duty that requires bull dust quarantine. It’s over, wake up and sort this country out, otherwise I’m out! I do believe however come April May Australia will get a spike in cases, but that only will suck if your unvaccinated… |
I tend to agree with Dr Dre, yes I won’t forgive the idiotic PM for his pathetic vaccine rollout, but I always knew Australia would answer the call and achieve higher vaccination rates than most other countries, hell you only have to look at the childhood vaccination rates here to see this. These so called health experts were warning of a massive spike in cases in NSW and VIC after reopening, they have been comprehensively proven bull$hit. For Christ sake it’s only a reopening for the fully vaccinated, it’s pretty common sense there would be no spike in cases. Apparently case numbers don’t matter yet 2 days ago you had the Murdoch media going on about a disturbing upward trend yet today spruiking a massive drop in cases… I mean WTF ? Are journalists these days properly educated or are they just becoming more brain dead by the year? As a nation we have completely lost the plot, we have become a bastion of Snowflakes and idiots that are putting up a siege mentality rather than actually knowing properly what the go is overseas. Japan just had 201 new cases of Covid yesterday, in a population of 125 million. Yes bejesus in a month you can come from VIC to QLD but hell no! QLD needs 90% of 12+ before international quarantine free travel. What a frickin joke. You will need hotel quarantine coming from Japan next month but no quarantine from VIC. At the moment you have 2085% more chance of contracting Covid in VIC than in Japan but let’s open up to VIC first..we have completely lost it. The health experts have taken over and we are losing because of it. I mean the ACT just relaxed restrictions last week and they are at 95% fully vaccinated? WTF? I for one have given up on all the idiotic states bull crap , and will be using my copious amounts of leave to remove myself from any duty that requires bull dust quarantine. It’s over, wake up and sort this country out, otherwise I’m out! I do believe however come April May Australia will get a spike in cases, but that only will suck if your unvaccinated… As a professional pilot we use data that has been proven by thousands of hours of engineering and flight test data to do our job. Some of us still stuff it up. The Health professionals, the majority of whom would have done far more education in their field that the average line pilot, are being pilloried for doing their job in a situation where they have no tried and tested data. I suggest that we all pull our heads in, stick to what we know and let the health professionals do their job. |
Not changing jobs at all?
haha are you saying health professionals are getting a raw deal? No they deserve to leave if they are unvaccinated, simple. 98% of health professionals have done their job, do you support the nutter 2%? It’s simple get vaccinated or lose, protests won’t work. |
The interesting thing is both my parents and both my 2 siblings are doctors and they have basically said you are a complete ****wit if you don’t want the vaccine. Truth doesn’t matter until your breathing razor blades. Idiots.
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Originally Posted by 43Inches
(Post 11139252)
Actually if you read the proposed act changes that Victoria wants to introduce it includes mandatory reporting of reasoning and why a certain health response is required. Its basis is shifting the responsibility to the elected member from that of a government employee, so yes while Dan is elected he gets more powers, however he must also put forward an explanation and reasoning for any chosen measures, including medical advice used, which is currently not required. Most of the tripe that's being spread around about the changes, is just that, complete fabrication. The overall benefit to the community is that the process becomes very much more transparent rather than just CHO's and ministers telling you what to do.
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Originally Posted by 601
(Post 11141999)
Changing jobs are ya?
As a professional pilot we use data that has been proven by thousands of hours of engineering and flight test data to do our job. Some of us still stuff it up. The Health professionals, the majority of whom would have done far more education in their field that the average line pilot, are being pilloried for doing their job in a situation where they have no tried and tested data. I suggest that we all pull our heads in, stick to what we know and let the health professionals do their job. |
I apologize for my previous message. I lost the manners.
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I haven’t been bothered to weigh in on this thread for months now because the idioti frankly are not worth my time. This last idiot even less so.
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Originally Posted by 601
(Post 11141999)
Changing jobs are ya?
As a professional pilot we use data that has been proven by thousands of hours of engineering and flight test data to do our job. Some of us still stuff it up. The Health professionals, the majority of whom would have done far more education in their field that the average line pilot, are being pilloried for doing their job in a situation where they have no tried and tested data. I suggest that we all pull our heads in, stick to what we know and let the health professionals do their job. |
It takes years based, exponentially, on the available funding. Throw more money and it takes less time.
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