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Biden- 500 million free RATs for the population
Boris- 2 per person for all each week Morrison- MAYBE pensioners might get a subsidy if they are lucky. Everyone else, $$$ |
Originally Posted by PoppaJo
(Post 11164258)
Biden- 500 million free RATs for the population
Boris- 2 per person for all each week Morrison- MAYBE pensioners might get a subsidy if they are lucky. Everyone else, $$$ |
Speaking of apparent inconsistency in reporting (or tabulating statistics), am I the only one scratching his head wondering why Victoria has a daily "new case" rate approx. 1/3 that of NSW (4829 / 13944 - 7-day avg.) yet Victoria has a reported death rate double that of NSW (6 / 3 - 7-day avg.)
Perhaps the National Cabinet could consider implementing standardised reporting at their next meeting. |
Based on fairly extensive experience in that service sector I know that "hoax" calls are vanishly rare. "Unwelcome calls", a category that includes hoax calls together with abusive calls, make up less than 3 percent of calls taken. That is pretty consistent across all services. https://www.adelaidenow.com.au/news/...c095cab2a59ad5 https://www.9news.com.au/national/tr...f-d764d333d6dc For 000 pranks are up to about 10% of calls on average for emergency services and 30% on average are nuisance, non emergencies, accidental, hang-ups and butt dials etc. Most of the helplines/prevention lines don't disclose rates of hoaxes anymore as they are funded on calls taken. Since the big blow up that happened 20 years ago in Victoria with KHL and such I'm pretty sure they keep the figures close to home. As I said earlier when it went to ask for further funding from the then Vic gov numbers as high as 1 in 3 nuisance calls was banded around. A lot of teens falsely reporting their mates for fun, pretending to be sick 5 year olds etc, they are out there. Maybe kids have grown up in the 2020s, less pranks and stupidity, sure sounds like it with 5 years olds contemplating suicide, I had no idea what being alive actually was at that age, let alone wanting to end it all. Speaking of apparent inconsistency in reporting (or tabulating statistics), am I the only one scratching his head wondering why Victoria has a daily "new case" rate approx. 1/3 that of NSW (4829 / 13944 - 7-day avg.) yet Victoria has a reported death rate double that of NSW (6 / 3 - 7-day avg.) |
Originally Posted by 43Inches
(Post 11164274)
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2018-11-...-call/10494444
https://www.adelaidenow.com.au/news/...c095cab2a59ad5 https://www.9news.com.au/national/tr...f-d764d333d6dc |
Got me, but that sort of data is just hard to find. And I'm not in the mood for some deep mining at the moment. I also noted that a lot of negative press from the KHL turmoils years ago have been removed from the net.
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All good 👍🏻
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Originally Posted by 43Inches
(Post 11164274)
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2018-11-...-call/10494444
https://www.adelaidenow.com.au/news/...c095cab2a59ad5 https://www.9news.com.au/national/tr...f-d764d333d6dc For 000 pranks are up to about 10% of calls on average for emergency services and 30% on average are nuisance, non emergencies, accidental, hang-ups and butt dials etc.
Originally Posted by 43Inches
(Post 11164280)
... I also noted that a lot of negative press from the KHL turmoils years ago have been removed from the net.
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What?! You think that Kids Helpline have the chops to expunge records from the internet?! |
Originally Posted by WingNut60
(Post 11164267)
Speaking of apparent inconsistency in reporting (or tabulating statistics), am I the only one scratching his head wondering why Victoria has a daily "new case" rate approx. 1/3 that of NSW (4829 / 13944 - 7-day avg.) yet Victoria has a reported death rate double that of NSW (6 / 3 - 7-day avg.)
Perhaps the National Cabinet could consider implementing standardised reporting at their next meeting. Info released today indicated 74% of those in ICU in NSW are Delta, so there is still a bit of it around. Up until a week or so ago I’d suggest most of the Victorian cases numbers were still from their Delta outbreak. That’s obviously flipped this week with their positive case rate catching NSW’s |
Originally Posted by PoppaJo
(Post 11164258)
Biden- 500 million free RATs for the population
Boris- 2 per person for all each week Morrison- MAYBE pensioners might get a subsidy if they are lucky. Everyone else, $$$ |
This is different. Scott said lockdown were a thing of the past. So the NT is having a “lockout” instead. If your not vaccinated you can’t leave home.
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This is different. Scott said lockdown were a thing of the past. So the NT is having a “lockout” instead. If your not vaccinated you can’t leave home. https://www.abc.net.au/news/2022-01-...nner/100741026 Anyway you have not answered my previous question....What would YOU do about the WA border? |
Originally Posted by Icarus2001
(Post 11165953)
Now come on Big G, that is not quite correct. There are THREE reasons to leave home allowed, going to work is not one of them.
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2022-01-...nner/100741026 Anyway you have not answered my previous question....What would YOU do about the WA border? Edit… for what it’s worth, Dr Andrew Miller from the AMA, is currently on the radio saying that opening the WA borders now is complete madness. But that’s only his opinion. |
Originally Posted by SOPS
(Post 11165970)
Well, at the moment, looking at what is happening in the Eastern States, I would leave the border as it is. Mainly because I know the WA hospital system is already close to breaking point. ( and you are correct, there are three reasons to leave home in the NT, if your not vaccinated).
Edit… for what it’s worth, Dr Andrew Miller from the AMA, is currently on the radio saying that opening the WA borders now is complete madness. But that’s only his opinion. |
Thanks for the answer SOPS but the other question is when would you open?
If not Feb then when? Difficult I know but ambulance ramping has been going in on WA for YEARS. Perhaps a five billion dollar surplus is less important than a good hospital system? |
Originally Posted by SOPS
(Post 11165970)
Well, at the moment, looking at what is happening in the Eastern States, I would leave the border as it is. Mainly because I know the WA hospital system is already close to breaking point. ( and you are correct, there are three reasons to leave home in the NT, if your not vaccinated).
Edit… for what it’s worth, Dr Andrew Miller from the AMA, is currently on the radio saying that opening the WA borders now is complete madness. But that’s only his opinion. The number of people on ventilators nation-wide is still not even in triple digits, and we have anywhere from 400,000 to 4,000,000 active cases (the true case count will never be known). 40 odd people die every day in WA. Covid may see this increase to 42 at maximum? just by looking at the current case fatality rate for Australia. There is always going to be a whinge from AMA, as doctors and nurses might not be able to take leave when they want it, or may be forced into overtime in 2022. Sound familiar?? What exactly is happening over east? And don’t tell me case numbers because that’s irrelevant now. The number of ICU patients are actually less now than what they were months ago. |
You know it would be interesting if every time the media mentioned the AMA they said it like this…..
“ The doctors official the union, the AMA says that….” We as a pilot group need to learn a great deal from them. |
The AMA are a farce. They masquerade as ‘doctors who care’ but the reality is they represent their members, who stand to lose that mentioned above as well as MONEY when their elective surgeries are cancelled due to COVID patients. Typical Australian media. No facts, just click bait.
WA are going to get smashed. Depending on what happens here with timing etc. it’s feasible that the day WA opens, the rest of Australia locks them out. Now wouldnt that be a laugh. |
There is always going to be a whinge from AMA, as doctors and nurses might not be able to take leave when they want it, or may be forced into overtime in 2022. Sound familiar?? The AMA are a farce. They masquerade as ‘doctors who care’ but the reality is they represent their members, who stand to lose that mentioned above as well as MONEY when their elective surgeries are cancelled due to COVID patients. If you want real answers to what is best, a panel of specialists that look at everything from the medical aspects to the affects on social interactions to business etc. Have we got so dumb to not realise that speaking to relevant invested parties always results in answers biased towards that group? Like voting for the Libs in Australia and somehow thinking they wont give big business buddies a big step up every time. |
Originally Posted by 43Inches
(Post 11166428)
More stress on public sector doctors means more leave and join the private sector, directly meaning higher costs to the entire system and another step up in the medicare levy and jumps in private health insurance. Like everything there is a reaction to the actions going on now. Everyone screaming that hospitals need to be better to cater for more patients in preventable pandemics should be the first to open their wallets, or have we not learnt who pays in the end for all of this? No such thing as "free tests" we are all paying for them, no such thing as "free health care" we are paying for it, we just pay a premium via Private insurance or tax surcharges.
What's farcical about that statement? The AMA is a voice for doctors, a quasi union, so yes it speaks for it's members. The AMA is not some advocate for the general public, they are a membership association for doctors and healthcare issues. So anything that negatively affects doctors or working conditions they will be against. If you are looking for advice that balances the needs of healthcare workers vs the economy or freedoms, that's what the health departments and ATAGI are for. Ask a doctor (the AMA) whats best for the public, of course you get a biased answer towards making things better for health care workers, like asking AFAP or AIPA what's best for the public, it will be in opening things up, as that's best for aviation and pilots. If you want real answers to what is best, a panel of specialists that look at everything from the medical aspects to the affects on social interactions to business etc. Have we got so dumb to not realise that speaking to relevant invested parties always results in answers biased towards that group? Like voting for the Libs in Australia and somehow thinking they wont give big business buddies a big step up every time. |
Originally Posted by Jester64
(Post 11166037)
The WA health system has been at breaking point for years, yet life still went on without restrictions.
The number of people on ventilators nation-wide is still not even in triple digits, and we have anywhere from 400,000 to 4,000,000 active cases (the true case count will never be known). 40 odd people die every day in WA. Covid may see this increase to 42 at maximum? just by looking at the current case fatality rate for Australia. There is always going to be a whinge from AMA, as doctors and nurses might not be able to take leave when they want it, or may be forced into overtime in 2022. Sound familiar?? What exactly is happening over east? And don’t tell me case numbers because that’s irrelevant now. The number of ICU patients are actually less now than what they were months ago. Shops running out of food because there are no staff to deliver it or stock shelves because they are sick or isolating. It’s all going so well. |
Originally Posted by SOPS
(Post 11166502)
What’s happening over East? Well let’s have a look today. Most elective surgery cancelled in NSW, along with singing dancing. QLD is thinking about delaying return to school dates and asking people to stay inside for the next 6 weeks ( a lock down when your not having a lock down.)
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Originally Posted by Maggie Island
(Post 11166504)
So why hasn’t Emperor McGowan who frequently paraded his “protector and defender of the West” act over the last two years - opted to delay the 5 Feb reopening?
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Originally Posted by -41
(Post 11166520)
Mark’s busy on holiday. the ANF survey was sent out to family members this week whom work in nursing. Maybe May ?
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My best friends wife works for a private health care company. A massive green one, with their own hospitals etc…….that most in WA would know. She isn’t a nurse, a doctor or even work in the hospital, but works in supply. Today they were advised that from Monday, they will be required to work from home indefinitely ( the same thing happened in March 2020) due to the border opening on Feb 5th.
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You can’t have a healthy economy without healthy people.
Food is starting to become scarce on supermarket shelves. People are told to work from home. Local cafes, delis, lunch bars suffer. Wait until it’s fuel running short. And Jet A1. This all continues to pan out really, really well. |
Originally Posted by SOPS
(Post 11166588)
You can’t have a healthy economy without healthy people.
Food is starting to become scarce on supermarket shelves. People are told to work from home. Local cafes, delis, lunch bars suffer. Wait until it’s fuel running short. And Jet A1. This all continues to pan out really, really well. You serious? It's an inevitable wave that wil peak in three weeks and then we're done. Everyone back to work post infection with immunity - wave dies out. Four weeks to hold out isn't much after two years |
Originally Posted by SOPS
(Post 11166588)
Food is starting to become scarce on supermarket shelves. |
Everything that's happening at the moment is more of an annoyance than anything close to a system failure or collapse of civilisation. Yes some businesses will be losing a lot of cash to sick leave and more cautious consumers don't splash cash on the great end of pandemic exhale. Until we have Soviet style bread lines happening I don't think it will do more than apply some mild brakes to what is well preforming Australian economy. I think we are very used to just getting what we want whenever we want for reasonable prices, suddenly when we have to wait for something it must be the end of the world. By the way, anyone else notice milk has gone up about 20% by sneaky stealth. Inflation is what the real enemy will be in this recovery.
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Originally Posted by Maggie Island
(Post 11166602)
As much as I love to sensationalise the destruction and demise of East Coast cities I think you’ve been swallowing too much A Current Affair
Not normally my thing.. but I just checked the ABC https://amp.abc.net.au/article/100739894 |
This all continues to pan out really, really well. Take a look at Sweden… no lockdowns….have a look at their infection rate now. |
Originally Posted by SOPS
(Post 11166502)
What’s happening over East? Well let’s have a look today. Most elective surgery cancelled in NSW, along with singing dancing. QLD is thinking about delaying return to school dates and asking people to stay inside for the next 6 weeks ( a lock down when your not having a lock down.)
Shops running out of food because there are no staff to deliver it or stock shelves because they are sick or isolating. It’s all going so well. schooling again then so be it. But it will be temporary and they will come out on the other side better for it. |
Originally Posted by Jester64
(Post 11166732)
Yeah but they have their borders open. When the border opens, along with any new variant, temporary adjustments will need to be made. Transitioning to living with the virus is going to have hiccups. If it means no dancing for a while, or a shortage of toilet paper or home
schooling again then so be it. But it will be temporary and they will come out on the other side better for it. |
Originally Posted by Xeptu
(Post 11166831)
Pure speculation, how is this any different to lockdowns, when the borders were closed you would never have known there was a pandemic, Today in SA every 5th person is isolating, there are more restrictions and shortages now than there was when the borders were closed and for what exactly.
I agree with the border closed, you would never have known there was a pandemic - except for the fact that you can’t enter the state. You guys are unbelievable. The borders are open in most states and our industry can see the light at the end of the tunnel, but some are still not happy because their little state bubble has been disrupted. I say again - when a state opens their border and goes from covid 0 to living with covid, there will be a transition period with temporary restrictions put in place, but thank christ the border remains open for the sake of our industry. |
Originally Posted by Jester64
(Post 11166873)
Nothing speculative about the NSW border being open, which is what I’m referring to.
I agree with the border closed, you would never have known there was a pandemic - except for the fact that you can’t enter the state. You guys are unbelievable. The borders are open in most states and our industry can see the light at the end of the tunnel, but some are still not happy because their little state bubble has been disrupted. I say again - when a state opens their border and goes from covid 0 to living with covid, there will be a transition period with temporary restrictions put in place, but thank christ the border remains open for the sake of our industry. |
Sister just diagnosed with omnicron, lives in NSW and is getting on with it , wants borders to remain open . Cousin got it last week , lives in vic and his job involves a lot of interstate travel and he wants nothing closed off . My mother in her mid 70’s 12 months from miraculously surviving stage 4 colon cancer ( immunotherapy) that spread to liver who has nothing to gain from opening borders wants country opened up . She could be excused for wanting borders closed as she a pensioner with some horrible experiences but brave enough to see what needs to happen to get country going plus the mental health issues lockdowns are causing . Omicron won’t take years to disappear . I got respect for these people .
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Originally Posted by Xeptu
(Post 11166882)
The state borders opening is/was inevitable, That in my opinion is necessary. The issue now is what difference has it made and the answer to that question is undeniably worse as it continues so around the rest of the world as well. I don't share your optimism with respect to "temporary" nor do I believe our or anybody else's industry will be any better off, at least for the next couple of years.
Thank christ both federal and state governments don’t share your view and think that life will be better off with the borders closed. You’re on the wrong forum to be whinging about the borders being opened. I get how SOPS does because he is happier driving trains then flying planes. I’d take a guess that you are retired from this industry also? |
Originally Posted by Jester64
(Post 11166894)
What difference has it made? People are now able to enter most parts of Australia from abroad and from within.
Happy days! Yes it was inevitable that borders re-open- but only now high vaccination rates are maing it JUST managable. |
Originally Posted by Wizofoz
(Post 11166924)
Plus the rapidly filling ICUs, cancelled elective surgeries, exhausted health care workers and rising deaths.
Happy days! Yes it was inevitable that borders re-open- but only now high vaccination rates are maing it JUST managable. |
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