What is the point of paying union fees these days? This is a straight up insult. Look at what VA, Tiger and QF were earning pre covid - approx 160k for an FO and 240k for a CPT base! Since then inflation has gone through the roof. How on earth does the union think this is a good deal?? I hope the pilot body sees how insulting an offer this is and votes no. Go PIA and fight for a FAIR deal.

I really hope this leads to PIA. Removal of conditions, an insulting 2% which is actually a pay cut considering inflation and no real recognition of JQ as an equal member of the group. Embarrassing.

So what have they offered?

Not much, but, taking a lot. I still can’t believe AFAP thought back pay from July 2021 on earnings is reasonable! We were all stood down on JK.

Who will the flying be gifted to if there is a NO vote?

What things are they wanting to take away?

AJ & Co’s public perception would have to be at the most unfavourable level since their inception. Why would JQ pilots waste this opportunity to vote in favour of a substandard agreement? The last thing the QF group needs is more chaos. What are they going to do, shut JQ down? I don’t see it happening. They are already struggling with the ground handlers saga that won’t go away. Someone in the group must stand up to these IR bullies for once. I would say that the JQ pilots have the most power out of all the pilot silos, and if this gets voted in, then there is no one else to blame for rubbish conditions in Australia.

Perhaps a warning for QF here is the exodus from NJS. The ease with which a (massively) better job can be obtained nowadays has created such a problem for NJS that sectors are going uncrewed. Guys on days off are usually on min days off in between 6 day weeks….no call outs available to fill the gaps, and many just couldn’t be bothered helping anyway.

The game for IR thugs is up, this deal is BS and the vote should reflect it.

Anyone car to provide the highlights of the offer???

So haven’t the AFAP reached an in principle agreement for this latest offer? Surely that means it’s a great deal. I mean they couldn’t be advocating a 25% pay cut and an agreement of work rule changes that make lifestyle/work balance less attractive (without any clauses that guarantee company obligations before those cuts happen) 😁

This is why we fail! they are there to get the best possible deal not tell us what the best deal is! The AFAP are fapping something that’s for sure!

So what are the actual details of the deal versus what the pilots expect?

no one seems to know….. other than it’s a dud

Its not even wortrh discussing.

The " In principal " agreement is simply offensive and provides the pilot group with only one alternative.

For good reason, the company is worried about approaching christmas without a deal signed off.

It doesn't get any ugglier than this from an industrial sense. This cobbled together disgrace of a document should be an eye opener to all that make a living flying in this country.


MCD

Completely agreed.

It's concerning when the internal poll shows a 83 no /17 yes split for voting.. not sure who the 17% are but I don't think they have the best intentions at heart.

Is it True that the phrase "If you wanted Mainline conditions, you should've joined Mainline..." has been thrown around?

If anybody (still) had any doubt how much Jetstar value their staff this offer confirms it. JQ know how disengaged the pilot group is and they still can't offer something even remotely fair. It's just not in their DNA to care. Can't even offer decent duty and staff travel in line with the rest of the group. That hardly costs a cent.
I'm just shocked the AFAP could endorse a deal like this. What planet are you all living on. It isn't a bad deal, it's downright disrespectful.

Without knowing the specifics, if you’re hung up on duty travel, let it go. You’ll never get confirmed J. Same with staff travel, you’ll never get the same categories and onload as mainline. That’s not to say you shouldn’t, but they won’t budge on that. They’ve never negotiated staff travel, ever. It’s not worth a pinch of **** anyway. With duty travel, it’s not uncommon to see 6 crew in J paxing. QF hate it as it’s a high yield seat unavailable for sale. They will never agree to giving you confirmed J.

Try and get something else instead, like extra days off or something.

What is needed is is a fair deal for those that work hard.


Just looking at the current maintenance debacle, without the professionalism of ALL pilots, this place would have collapsed months ago. Thats the simple truth.

For too long, BOTH unions have treated the JQ pilots group as an IR " Practice match ". The current poor state of affairs illustrates this dramatically.


The ball is firmly back in the AFAPs court and those " representing the company ". Both entities have utterly miss read the pilot group sentiment. Pretend that its not happening at your peril.


Produce something equitable that recognises the efforts of JQ Pilots who are held to the exact same standards as Mainline pilots, who work harder with much less support and are paid SIGNIFICANTLY less. Not to mention the financial contribution the company makes to the Qantas group overall.


If not now when? If not now, why?


MCD

Couldn't agree more. JQ is a constant money spinner for the group. It's time it became a significantly more attractive place to work.