He said in his speech that 3% is the offer & nothing will change that including any amount of industrial action.
Why are u doubting the spoken facts🙄

Gee, I wonder. Must you comment on things you're clearly ignorant of?

We'd all have loved for the EBA to be done and dusted within a few weeks of the commencement of negotiations, over a year ago. However one party is incentivised to drag out the process for as long as possible.

Can you guess which?

Haha, better sign any EA now hey? You come across as a glass half empty person.

It was always going to take time, and the company bis doing everything it can you see a stage and build a case to pay even more below industry standard.

Settle down and call the union.

Impossible to negotiate with people who are always right & happy to tell you that fact.
These people forget where they came from,have no idea of what the real world consists of & when the bubble bursts cry poor.
They love to tell you how good they are & expect to be believed,unfortunately besides themselves there are some that listen.

Telfer86 - give yourself an uppercut. You clearly need it!

Humble pie Paddleboat and Sunfish?

3% is now looking very generous.

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Haha! What an incredibly naive statement.

Camel, it will be lucky if the airline survives. Both sides will need to compromise. Your comment is utterly irrelevant in view of Coronavirus.

All that money wasted through the pointless PIA could have gone toward keeping a few more people in jobs...........

Is this twit for real? Are you accusing the pilots of causing coronavirus now?

I know they hate pilots in head office, but this clown takes the cake.

Post two above you are talking about the "stand down" clause in all of the pilot agreements , contracts , arrangements etc

They don't even need to talk about redundancy at this point in time (& all the potential cost & complication there ie: fleet or DOJ etc) , just activate the stand down for however long they see fit

Stand downs will have to occur with the Qantas Group if the reports of an 80% reduction in flying are true. This will also affect most of JQ's international operation.

I would imagine this would mean leave with pay until all accrued leave is exhausted, then leave without pay until a return to a more normal flying schedule. This could be a nightmare with simulator and aircraft currency issues as operations are ramped up again. I would not envisage any upside action for at least 2 - 3 months (China seems to be emerging on the other side of COVID19 and that is almost 3 months from the first reports).

Not a happy time.

We be f#$ked, is my assessment. There will not be a return to any sort of normality within 6 months and then it will take months if not years for the airline industry to recover back to its former size. An economist on the radio this morning said the airline and tourism industry was like an oven, once it cools you can’t just have instant heat back, even if the demand is there it takes time to be able to cook again.

"There will not be a return to any sort of normality within 6 months and then it will take months if not years for the airline industry to recover back to its former size."

This black swan is the event that will see a drastic decrease in the debt bubble lifestyle we have been used to.

The industry will return at some point, but it will be a fraction of its former self for a very long time.

Well Well Well.. AFAP. Surely you jest.

Would have saved everyone time if they just sent an email saying "vote no".

Surely that's a joke yes?
Am I missing something.. no lower EFA threshold?
Qantas duty travel in business confirmed?
rostering practices and open time system?
Plus many many other thing's that show crew are actually respected for their role within the group.
Those pay amount should be for some one doing 60 hours not 75.
That proposal must be one of the most embarrassing and underwhelming agreements I've ever seen. Who cares about back pay in 2021 when half the crew hardly worked anyway.

It’s a petty ordinary offer over all and AFAP are endorsing it before nutting out the company demands of increased flexibility. QF club, what is up with that also surely no one would care about that.

Its a BIG NO from the majority already.

This deal is simply rubbish and shouldn't even be put to the already weary and very angry pilot group.

Start again AFAP. you should be ashamed of yourselves.

This is going to be ULTRA messy.

MCD

I will retire before this gets over the line at this rate. Morons.