I wish the guys here would also let got of staff/duty travel not a pressing issue. The insult of the $hit pay offers and reduction in conditions is.

I am not saying it's the most pressing issue. Of course pay is significantly more important etc. But, are you happy sitting in a middle seat In Y for 3-4 hours before going to operate? Are you satisfied with being treated like a piece of trash just because you work for Jetstar?
It's a very small thing that's easily fixed. For many people this eba is about respect just as much as pay. JQ pilots contribute so much to the group and yet are treated as second class citizens. Do you consider yourself an inferior pilot because you work at JQ? Because that's how QF management see you. Are you happy for that to continue? I feel like the younger generation of crew are no longer willing to tolerate the lack of respect.

You say you wish people's would let go of start duty travel.. Have you considered that just because you don't care about it, others might do? There is no reason for it not to be looked at in line with everything else.

With the AFAP suffering a poitical " Rudder Hardover " overnight and the main protaganist for this " In principal " agreement being deposed, you would have to wonder if a mandate to even present this rubbish to the pilot group still exists.

I would think not.

Coms yet to come out but about as embarrasing as it gets for that organisation and those who cobbled this mess together.

MCD

Blaming the AFAP, are the reps not J* pilots and if not, why not? The union should only be proposing what the pilots want through the reps... Its not an independant body, its a culmination of the members. Sounds more like a lot are not communicating needs directly to the reps, or you are in a minority to what the majority want.

Duty travel is important, you do get sick of getting told the flight is oversold and to come back at checkin close to be presented with 26B for your 4 hour paxing flight to operate back. Staff Travel not a concern because we all know the pitfalls of that, but if the Company want me to go somewhere for work the least they could do is allow me to have access to seat select when forced to use the app to check in instead of being made to feel I should be great full for getting any seat. I do NOT expect confirmed Business but would like a confirmed selectable seat on the plane.

Absolutely hear what your saying and the great thing about all of this debate is we ask important questions of our employers and our reps. Whilst I agree staff travel has become somewhat useless, as far as I'm concerned if you are employed in the group, you should get the same staff travel. Shouldn't matter if you are mainline, link, one star or.. bin chicken :E

In respect to duty travel, Personally, if the aircraft has a business seat and im paxing on duty, I expect to be in it. Not down the back. If it's an all economy aircraft, then a extra leg / exit row seat that's an aisle or window with the seat next to me to be the last assigned on the aircraft is what I expect. It comes down to the company respecting the position I hold. (I think that's what's in the QF short haul eba or something similar). Why is JQ different? QF pilots get treated better on jq metal then JQ pilots. Why? It's simply disrespectful and not good enough.
Where is the open time system that was promised?
75 hours for EFA, ha get stuffed. JQ wonders why sick leave is so high...
Carers lines?
Had a crew meal on an international sector recently? You wouldn't feed it to your dog. Actually, dogs are treated better than the staff at jetstar.
late finishes and early starts between days off.
Let's not even talk about the hotel and transport situation of late.

Hey cLeArIcE

you talkin bout JQ or VA. Sounds like the problems over there are exactly the same over here……I wonder what the common denominator might be????????

I agree with everything you say.

Totally agree with your position.
As I was once told after a rant - it’s not what you deserve, but what you negotiate. Everything in the QF award has been fought for and negotiated. The good and the bad.

Keep fighting.

All I can say is when the time comes, attend the EBA meetings, voice your concerns, email the reps your concerns. Make sure everyone is involved and get consensus for what the pilot body wants and maintain those demands, and don't make stupid ambit claims that the Joyces of this world can push to the media to make out you are overpaid bus drivers wanting things the average punter would scorn at. The more united the pilot body is, the easier it is to go to PIA to push demands, start arguing internally during the negotiation phase and you might as well give up, blaming the reps, union, etc is arguing among yourselves. You want your demands simple, straight forward and acceptable to the majority. As said above you don't get what you deserve or what is right for the sake of it, you get what you negotiate at the table.

If it's clear the union is not working in your combined interest you need to voice that concern to the union, enmasse.

Geese, they really are gaslighting the rank and file with their rubbish. Predicating pay rises on working into days off, when you have a number of bases that have a curfew. They really have no idea. Step away if your tired and it’s taken a toll on your family lives and let PROFESSIONALS do the negotiations hey. This is beyond a joke now.

I am still holding onto hope that this is just a pawn or a bishop being sacrificed for the greater move that's about to come.

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love your optimism. Hope you are correct. I can't think of what though...?Put a really **** deal out to the pilot group so it gets heavily voted down to send a message. Why?
I always figured JQ staff were the pawns to be sacrificed at every opportunity.

It's the only thing I have left.

#passionatelyorange

Re duty travel - from my experience at VA - when we gained what we have which (don't hold me to it exactly) it's window or aisle economy X - upgradable to business class on space available. If we don't get window or aisle Econ X then we get half paxing credit. TBH I wasn't that fussed about this coming in and like comments above I was largely focused on overall $. However personal experience it was absolutely dramatic the change in our social standing amongst colleagues when this came in. Overnight it seemed we were treated with so much more respect at the gate and on board.

Good luck over the fence.

Agree totally. To paraphrase Churchill " Never before was so much expected from so many for the benefit of so few." Open up the Perth base again and there would be a different agreement cobbled together.

Nothing out from the AFAP as yet to vote on.

Get it on, VOTE IT DOWN, start again.

MCD

I thought they already had a Perth base. But if not, how would a Perth base opening affect the agreement ?

Tech crew Perth base is not needed, they do need a cabin crew base there tho.

The Perth base was closed during the Covid opportunity and government cash grab. Those who were left to commute are a big part of the AFAP negotiating team. So no surprises that they are making a big deal out of the additional highline payments for ODTA. As there is so much Perth flying to be covered they get a higher payment for being at home. In return they have agreed to give away a guaranteed payment for all pilots that covered required courseware on the Ipad. Hence my paraphrase.