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Old 4th Apr 2024, 23:24
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Scope clauses was part of the log of claims in 2011 when Alan woke up one morning and grounded the airline.
We can now see why he was deadset against it.
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Old 4th Apr 2024, 23:53
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Originally Posted by DropYourSocks
The only tool pilots have to prevent all of the above is negotiating scope. Scope is the reason US regionals have started to die, US mainline flying increased, and led to stronger bargaining positions.
Scope would be great, and as has been pointed out, mainline took PIA a decade ago to achieve it. But Qantas would rather ground the whole operation and blow over $200 million, than give it to us. Your post shows exactly why they will never allow it. The last thing they want is T&C’s matching the US majors.

In the past a lockout would be (and was) the only way to stop drawn out PIA. But as we have all seen, the IR landscape has changed and an Intractable Bargaining application can painlessly stop further PIA.

So if Qantas don’t want to give you scope and you can’t force the issue with PIA, what is your move? I’m fairly certain the FWC won’t serve it up in a determination. So do you accept the terms of the lowest subsidiary in exchange for scope? Now that surely would be a pyrrhic victory.
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Old 5th Apr 2024, 00:10
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Scope would be great, and as has been pointed out, mainline took PIA a decade ago to achieve it. But Qantas would rather ground the whole operation and blow over $200 million, than give it to us. Your post shows exactly why they will never allow it. The last thing they want is T&C’s matching the US majors.

In the past a lockout would be (and was) the only way to stop drawn out PIA. But as we have all seen, the IR landscape has changed and an Intractable Bargaining application can painlessly stop further PIA.

So if Qantas don’t want to give you scope and you can’t force the issue with PIA, what is your move? I’m fairly certain the FWC won’t serve it up in a determination. So do you accept the terms of the lowest subsidiary in exchange for scope? Now that surely would be a pyrrhic victory.
maybe 200 pilots in Western Australia didn’t wake them up…perhaps 3000+ on the east coast will do the trick. Perhaps Virgin can join us and make a real statement about management abuse and lack of recognition. How will they manage that?!
They will bleed cash and be all over the media.
Aircraft will be parked all over the country. Business and public will realise our worth.
stop starting subsidiaries to destroy our hard earned conditions. Government is having to implement IR laws to stop the blatant manipulation of staff.
Sure they can force an eventual determination, but that will take months or even years.
imagine the chaos in between.
QF would be hundreds of millions better off with ONE seniority list and ONE business. Imagine the millions or even billions saved on training, retention, efficiencies, IR, HR etc.
Stop manipulating your loyal staff with gross outsourcing. Stop destroying a great airline.
you grubs don’t deserve to be part of our national carrier. The selfish destruction of the place is abhorrent.
I’m absolutely confident it will work.
after years of games and abuse, I say…
BRING IT
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Old 5th Apr 2024, 00:42
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Originally Posted by Gas Chamber
Sure they can force an eventual determination, but that will take months or even years.
imagine the chaos in between.
When Qantas locked us out during the last PIA all actions were canceled within 48 hours. Even at Network, IB was applied for in February and granted in March, end of PIA. You don’t get to take PIA while FWC deliberate on your eventual determination.

I get that you’re (rightfully) angry but a strategy has to be based in reality.
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Old 5th Apr 2024, 00:46
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Closing this thread due to multiple complaints, may reopen later when I have time to clean it up.
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Old 18th Apr 2024, 22:39
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My throat feels sore after dealing with a busy week of flying in a network we no longer have any support. Penny pinching while everything falls apart.
I feel sorry for the passengers enduring management’s on going stupidity.
Might just “vote no” on next week’s roster.
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Old 18th Apr 2024, 22:51
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How’s the A320/319 Captain crewing going…?
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Old 18th Apr 2024, 23:23
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How’s the A320/319 Captain crewing going…?
It would appear not great. How long until things are being parked?.
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Old 18th Apr 2024, 23:26
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How many pilots did they loose last week?….was it 4 or 5….I’m sure they were able to replace them quickly😂
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Old 18th Apr 2024, 23:37
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How many pilots did they loose last week?….was it 4 or 5….I’m sure they were able to replace them quickly😂
MinRes offering A320 endorsed $275k?

Network are just very lucky VA have a massive training backlog…
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Old 18th Apr 2024, 23:59
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https://www.facebook.com/share/B3KHZ...ibextid=WC7FNe

Singapore on the hunt too.
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Old 19th Apr 2024, 00:39
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Originally Posted by wf747
MinRes offering A320 endorsed $275k?

Network are just very lucky VA have a massive training backlog…

Sorry - what's MinRes ??? Worked it out. Do you know where they are advertising or where one could apply ?
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Old 19th Apr 2024, 00:55
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Originally Posted by gordonfvckingramsay
Salary and Benefits You will enjoy an attractive salary, along with various allowances and benefits.
https://careers.singaporeair.com/sia...FSVKnQkd9MUPPg

Helpful!
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any idea what ‘an attractive salary’ is?
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Originally Posted by gordonfvckingramsay
Cathay road show on its way also
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Old 19th Apr 2024, 02:26
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Cathay road show on its way also
Anyone who's contemplating going down that route would be well advised to do their homework on the cost of living in Hong Kong vs the salary package. Also examine the "contract"; most of the benefits are "policy" and can be changed at the sole discretion of the company. There is little or no protection under Hong Kong employment law.

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Old 19th Apr 2024, 06:28
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any idea what ‘an attractive salary’ is?
To management or to worker bees?
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Old 19th Apr 2024, 08:29
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Any updates on when the FWC will provide the determination?
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Old 19th Apr 2024, 08:43
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Any updates on when the FWC will provide the determination?
Not yet. There’s a preliminary hearing in May to determine what the agreed position is for the starting point to narrow what the commission will have to make a determination on. Probably a way to go and the stack of resignations is getting steadily taller.
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