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Old 7th Jul 2023, 00:00
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I believe there were a few good lessons learnt from the VH-TNP accident report.

If a similar event occurred today without ATC surveillance, we most certainly would end up with another smoking hole in the ground.
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Alice, Alice...

B462/23
ALICE SPRINGS (YBAS) TWR ATS NOT AVBL DUE OPERATIONAL RESTRICTIONS
ALICE SPRINGS CLASS C AND CLASS D AIRSPACE BELOW FL125 BECOMES CLASS
G AIRSPACE - CLASS C AIRSPACE FL125 TO FL245 BECOMES CLASS E
AIRSPACE - AS PER EN ROUTE SUPPLEMENT AUSTRALIA ALICE SPRINGS -
ATS AIRSPACE - OUTSIDE TWR HR.
FIS AVBL MELBOURNE CENTRE 119.8
COMMON TFC ADVISORY FREQ (CTAF) 118.3
SFC TO FL125
FROM 07 072230 TO 07 090830
DAILY 2230/0830
A Town Like Alice.
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Originally Posted by Traffic_Is_Er_Was
When they cannot do it themselves, or when they don't do it themselves? There were six other aircraft operating at MNG at that time. None of them hit each other. There's been IFR training over MNG for decades, and many other places, both before and after ATC became 'responsible' for the airspace. Their staffing levels had nothing to do with it.
I took it more in the context of
Failure to operate a world's best practice ATS system
Is AsA ATC the best we can or could be? No. But it requires a change in mindset to service excellence rather than trying to provide the cheapest service possible. Operational experience has been stripped from AsA, Operational support has been stripped from AsA, Safety support has been stripped from AsA, all under the stewardship of the current CEO, who was an air traffic controller.

And meanwhile, more airspace with Operational Restrictions.

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History is for learning from

Originally Posted by Traffic_Is_Er_Was
How do any of these (apart from the last two, and that's tenuous) have anything to do with this discussion? None of them were caused by a shortage of ATC or by airspace being downgraded.

Take-Off to Touchdown The Story of Air Traffic Control

CHARLWOOD, D. E.

Published by Angus & Robertson, Sydney, 1967
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Vh-tnp, vh-aem / vh-jqf

Originally Posted by Duck Pilot
I believe there were a few good lessons learnt from the VH-TNP accident report.

If a similar event occurred today without ATC surveillance, we most certainly would end up with another smoking hole in the ground.
Duck a couple of honest questions…

In your mind -

a/. what were the lessons from VH-TNP?

b/. Why could a similar event not occur with surveillance?

In my mind it happened with MNG…..

I consider the ATSB report into the midair a farce….

Either all IFRs separated or AsA gets out of G completely …. And let ADSB IN do it all
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Originally Posted by Gentle_flyer
Duck a couple of honest questions…

In your mind -

a/. what were the lessons from VH-TNP?

b/. Why could a similar event not occur with surveillance?

In my mind it happened with MNG…..

I consider the ATSB report into the midair a farce….

Either all IFRs separated or AsA gets out of G completely …. And let ADSB IN do it all
I don’t need to explain the obvious!

You sound like my current Chief Pilot!
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Duck,

when you understand how different people think, if you are not willing to explain the thoughts behind your comments, then in my mind it reduces your words to just gratuitous letters, ie like pissing into the wind..

I’m not a pilot but from your statement I,m assuming you are lucky yo have a chief pilot who is intelligent and curious…

Gf
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GF,
Read the accident report and you should be able to understand my logic.

I think there may have also been procedural ATC surveillance charges implemented in Class E airspace for IFR aircraft as a result of the accident investigation.

I’m sure some others on here will recall.
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YMMM

C1153/23 REVIEW C1149/23
TEMPO RESTRICTED AREA ACT
IN CTA CLASS C AND E AIRSPACE.
ATS IN THE YMMM FIR SUBJECT TO CONTINGENCY DUE TO OPR RESTRICTIONS IN
THE FLW AIRSPACE:
MELBOURNE CENTRE 123.9, 135.25 AND 118.5 (NEW SOUTH WALES CENTRAL
TABLELANDS, DUBBO, WARREN, TOTTENHAM AREA). DESIGNATED AIRSPACE
HANDBOOK (DAH) SECTOR VOLUME NAMES AFFECTED ARE: 'BATHURST A, B, C, D
AND E' AND 'DUBBO A, B AND C'.
CONTINGENCY MAP (LISTED UNDER BATHURST/DUBBO IN THE MELBOURNE FIR)
AVBL AT HTTP://WWW.AIRSERVICESAUSTRALIA.COM/NOTAMMAPS/INDEX.ASP
THE CARRIAGE AND USE OF TWO RADIOS IS REQUIRED FOR ENTRY TO THE
RESTRICTED AREA. FREQUENCIES SHOWN ON THE CONTINGENCY MAPS ARE
MONITORED IN CASE OF EMERGENCY.
RELEVANT APPROVAL FROM CONTROLLING AUTHORITY REQUIRED.
PILOTS REQUESTING OPR IN CLASS C OR E AIRSPACE SHALL CTC MELBOURNE
CENTRE TEL: (PLUS) 61 03 9235 7455 FOR ACCESS AUTHORITY.
AUTHORISATION TO ENTER THIS TEMPO RESTRICTED AREA DOES NOT CONSTITUTE
CLEARANCE TO ENTER ANY ADJ OR EMBEDDED RESTRICTED AREAS.
ATC SER NOT AVBL IN CLASS C AND E AIRSPACE.
FIS AVAILABLE ON REQUEST FROM HF AND MAY BE AVAILABLE FROM ADJ ATS
UNITS.
PILOTS/OPERATORS CONSIDERING OPR IN CLASS G SHALL CTC MELBOURNE
CENTRE TEL: (PLUS) 61 03 9235 7455 FOR FURTHER INFO.
MILITARY OPERATIONS MAY EXIST IN THIS AREA, CHECK PUBLISHED NOTAMS.
PILOTS-IN-COMMAND ARE SOLELY RESPONSIBLE FOR TERRAIN AND COLLISION
AVOIDANCE WITHIN THE AFFECTED AIRSPACE.
APRX AREA A: 5NM SOUTH KADOM, 30NM NORTHWEST AKMIR, 10NM EAST YYNG,
12NM SOUTHEAST PKS VOR, MUDGI, 20NM NORTHWEST YSRI, SOUTH ALONG 45NM
ARC SY DME, 5NM SOUTH KADOM.
VERTICAL LIMITS: SFC - FL180
APRX AREA B: 10NM SOUTH SCAPA, VELGI, 30NM SOUTHWEST DU NDB, 40NM
SOUTHWEST MUDGI, 12NM SOUTHEAST PKS VOR, 10NM EAST SCAPA, 10NM SOUTH
SCAPA.
VERTICAL LIMITS: SFC - FL245
APRX AREA C: 30NM SOUTHWEST YSDU, 40NM SOUTHWEST MUDGI, MUDGI, 15NM
NORTHEAST DU NDB, 30NM SOUTHWEST DU NDB.
VERTICAL LIMITS: FL180 - FL245
APRX AREA D: 20NM WEST YCNM, 10NM NORTH YNYN, 30NM NORTH YLCG, 15NM
NORTHWEST PKS NDB, DU NDB, 15NM NORTHEAST YSDU, 20NM WEST YCNM.
VERTICAL LIMITS: SFC - FL245
APRX AREA E: 30NM SOUTHWEST DU NDB, 40NM SOUTHWEST MUDGI, MUDGI, 15NM
NORTHEAST DU NDB, 30NM SOUTHWEST DU NDB.
VERTICAL LIMITS: SFC - FL180
APRX AREA F: 30NM NORTH YLCG, 20NM NORTH YLCG, 10NM NORTHWEST VELGI,
15NM NORTHWEST PKS NDB, 30NM NORTH YLCG.
VERTICAL LIMITS: FL125 - FL245
TWR, TERMINAL CONTROL UNIT (TCU) AND MIL AREAS WITHIN THE ABOVE
AIRSPACE CONTINUE TO OPERATE AS PER EN ROUTE SUP AUSTRALIA (ERSA)
UNLESS SPECIFIED OTHERWISE.
MAJOR ATS ROUTES:
KADOM TO BTH NDB, CWR NDB, VIRUR, PKS VOR AND 50NM SOUTHEAST DU NDB
PKS, VIRUR BTH NDB AND 50NM SOUTH DU NDB, TO 30NM NORTH AKMIR
UH226 BTN 15NM YSRI AND ENPAG
H44 BTH KADOM AND 30NM WEST OF CWR NDB
Q923 BTN NIPIN AND 25NM SOUTHWEST PKS VOR
H66 BTN ABM 120NM SOUTH MUDGI AND MUDGI
V295 BTN 45NM YSSY TO 50NM SOUTHEAST DU NDB
W540 BTN DU NDB AND HUMOK
W731 BTN DU NDB AND LLAMA
W516 BTN DU NDB AND 75NM WEST DU NDB
W822 BTN DU NDB AND HILAR
W785 BTN DU NDB AND MUDGI
W760 AND W326 BTN DU NDB AND 20NM NORTHEAST DU NDB
ADS-C/CPDLC LOGON: YMMM SER NOT AVBL THIS AIRSPACE. ACFT MAY REMAIN
LOGGED ON BUT POSITION REPORTS MUST BE BCST ON THE APPROPRIATE FREQ.
TRAFFIC INFO BCST BY ACFT (TIBA) PROCEDURES AS DETAILED IN AIP APPLY.
TIBA FREQUENCIES: AT OR ABOVE FL200 128.95 MHZ. BELOW FL200 126.35
MHZ, EXC IN DOMESTIC CLASS G AIRSPACE WHERE THE CLASS G FREQ SHALL BE
USED.
TCAS AND TRANSPONDER EQPT MUST BE SELECTED ON AT ALL TIMES.
SFC TO FL245
FROM 07 071400 TO 07 071900


C1152/23 REVIEW C1148/23
TEMPO RESTRICTED AREA ACT
IN CTA CLASS A, C AND E AIRSPACE.
ATS IN THE YMMM FIR SUBJECT TO CONTINGENCY DUE TO OPR RESTRICTIONS IN
THE FLW AIRSPACE:
MELBOURNE CENTRE 123.9, 123.95, 130.3, 122.6, 120.7 AND 126.5
(TASMANIA AND BASS STRAIT). DESIGNATED AIRSPACE HANDBOOK (DAH) SECTOR
VOLUME NAMES AFFECTED ARE: 'HUON A, 'HUON B' AND 'HUON C'.
OUTSIDE ERSA TWR/APP HRS, THE FLW AIRSPACE IS ALSO AFFECTED:
MELBOURNE CENTRE 123.8, 125.55 (TASMANIA). DESIGNATED AIRSPACE
HANDBOOK (DAH) SECTOR VOLUME NAMES AFFECTED ARE: 'HOBART APPROACH'
AND 'LAUNCESTON APPROACH'.
CONTINGENCY MAP (LISTED UNDER 'TASMANIA/HUON' IN THE MELBOURNE FIR)
AVBL AT HTTP://WWW.AIRSERVICESAUSTRALIA.COM/NOTAMMAPS/INDEX.ASP
THE CARRIAGE AND USE OF TWO RADIOS IS REQUIRED FOR ENTRY TO THE
RESTRICTED AREA. FREQUENCIES SHOWN ON THE CONTINGENCY MAPS ARE
MONITORED IN CASE OF EMERGENCY.
RELEVANT APPROVAL FROM CONTROLLING AUTHORITY REQUIRED.
PILOTS REQUESTING OPR IN CLASS A, C OR E AIRSPACE SHALL CTC MELBOURNE
CENTRE TEL: (PLUS) 61 03 9235 7455 FOR ACCESS AUTHORITY.
AUTHORISATION TO ENTER THIS TEMPO RESTRICTED AREA DOES NOT CONSTITUTE
CLEARANCE TO ENTER ANY ADJ OR EMBEDDED RESTRICTED AREAS.
ATC SER NOT AVBL IN CLASS A, C AND E AIRSPACE.
FIS AVAILABLE ON REQUEST FROM HF AND MAY BE AVAILABLE FROM ADJ ATS
UNITS.
PILOTS/OPERATORS CONSIDERING OPR IFR IN CLASS G SHALL CTC MELBOURNE
CENTRE TEL: (PLUS) 61 03 9235 7455 FOR FURTHER INFO.
MILITARY OPERATIONS MAY EXIST IN THIS AREA, CHECK PUBLISHED NOTAMS.
PILOTS-IN-COMMAND ARE SOLELY RESPONSIBLE FOR TERRAIN AND COLLISION
AVOIDANCE WITHIN THE AFFECTED AIRSPACE.
APRX AREA: BTN 141E AND 151E, SOUTH OF THE AUSTRALIAN MAINLAND, AND
SOUTH OF PUBLISHED ATS ROUTES BETWEEN YMML AND NEW ZEALAND, NORTH OF
44S.
TWR, TERMINAL CONTROL UNIT (TCU) AND MIL AREAS WITHIN THE ABOVE
AIRSPACE CONTINUE TO OPERATE AS PER EN ROUTE SUP AUSTRALIA (ERSA)
UNLESS SPECIFIED OTHERWISE.
MAJOR ATS ROUTES:
ALL ROUTES WITHIN TASMANIA
ALL ROUTES BTN MAINLAND AUSTRALIA AND TASMANIA
ALL ROUTES TO AND FROM KII AND NUNPA
L513 BTN TUNGO AND HEWIT
M643 BTN TASUM AND PECOB
ADS-C/CPDLC LOGON: YMMM SER NOT AVBL THIS AIRSPACE. ACFT MAY REMAIN
LOGGED ON BUT POSITION REPORTS MUST BE BCST ON THE APPROPRIATE FREQ.
TRAFFIC INFO BCST BY ACFT (TIBA) PROCEDURES AS DETAILED IN AIP APPLY.
TIBA FREQUENCIES: AT OR ABOVE FL200 128.95 MHZ. BELOW FL200 126.35
MHZ, EXC IN DOMESTIC CLASS G AIRSPACE WHERE THE CLASS G FREQ SHALL BE
USED.
TCAS AND TRANSPONDER EQPT MUST BE SELECTED ON AT ALL TIMES.
SFC TO FL600
FROM 07 071400 TO 07 071900


C1151/23
TEMPO RESTRICTED AREA ACT
IN CTA CLASS E AIRSPACE.
ATS IN THE YMMM FIR SUBJECT TO CONTINGENCY DUE OPR RESTRICTIONS IN
THE FLW AIRSPACE:
MELBOURNE CENTRE 125.8, 122.1, 118.6, 124.3, 120.3 AND 135.45
(WESTERN VICTORIA, SOUTH-EASTERN SOUTH AUSTRALIA AND SOUTH-WEST NEW
SOUTH WALES). DESIGNATED AIRSPACE HANDBOOK (DAH) SECTOR VOLUME NAMES
AFFECTED ARE: 'MALLEE A', 'MALLEE B', AND 'MALLEE C'.
CONTINGENCY MAP (LISTED UNDER 'MALLEE' IN THE MELBOURNE FIR) AVBL AT
HTTP://WWW.AIRSERVICESAUSTRALIA.COM/NOTAMMAPS/INDEX.ASP
THE CARRIAGE AND USE OF TWO RADIOS IS REQUIRED FOR ENTRY TO THE
RESTRICTED AREA. FREQUENCIES SHOWN ON THE CONTINGENCY MAPS ARE
MONITORED IN CASE OF EMERGENCY.
RELEVANT APPROVAL FROM CONTROLLING AUTHORITY REQUIRED.
PILOTS REQUESTING OPR IN CLASS E AIRSPACE SHALL CTC MELBOURNE CENTRE
TEL: (PLUS) 61 03 9235 7455 FOR ACCESS AUTHORITY.
AUTHORISATION TO ENTER THIS TEMPO RESTRICTED AREA DOES NOT CONSTITUTE
CLEARANCE TO ENTER ANY ADJ OR EMBEDDED RESTRICTED AREAS.
ATC SER NOT AVBL IN CLASS E AIRSPACE.
FIS AVBL ON REQUEST FROM HF AND MAY BE AVBL FROM ADJ ATS UNITS.
PILOTS/OPERATORS CONSIDERING OPR IN CLASS G SHALL CTC MELBOURNE
CENTRE TEL: (PLUS) 61 03 9235 7455 FOR FURTHER INFO.
PILOTS-IN-COMMAND ARE SOLELY RESPONSIBLE FOR TERRAIN AND COLLISION
AVOIDANCE WITHIN THE AFFECTED AIRSPACE.
MILITARY OPERATIONS MAY EXIST IN THIS AREA, CHECK PUBLISHED NOTAMS.
APRX AREA: MEECE, 14NM NORTHWEST ALTRO, PILTA, YIVO, YHLS, BORLI,
VINOP, WG VOR, YYWG, 100NM ARC ML, 39S 139 30E, YRBE, 110NM SOUTH AD
VOR, 100NM SOUTH AD VOR, 100NM ARC AD VOR, MEECE.
TWR, TERMINAL CONTROL UNIT (TCU) AND MIL AREAS WITHIN THE ABOVE
AIRSPACE CONTINUE TO OPR AS PER EN ROUTE SUP AUSTRALIA (ERSA) UNLESS
SPECIFIED OTHERWISE.
MAJOR ATS ROUTES:
H102 BTN MIA NDB AND NATYA
T131 BTN BORTO AND 120NM BORTO
J21 BTN KABEK AND BORLI
H21 BTN NATYA AND WG VOR
H36 BTN 40NM EAST BENDO AND 20NM WEST KACEY
H44 BTN BORLI AND 100NM YPAD
Q76 BTN 50NM NORTH MNG AND 80NM NORTH TOBOB
H119 BTN 150NM NORTH NATYA AND 100NM NORTH CANTY
H247 BTN PANKI AND 80NM CULIN
H345 BTN NEVIS AND DUKES
J19 BTN NATYA AND 60NM SOUTH BHI VOR
J142 BTN 100NM WEST NONUP AND BORTO
Q32 BTN BORLI AND 100NM EAST YPAD
Q60 BTN 30NM WEST WG VOR AND WOONA
Q923 PKS VOR AND 60NM NORTH CANTY
Q158 BTN 100NM YMML AND CRENA
Q168 BTN 100NM YMML AND 50NM SOUTH EAST KABEK
T8 BTN WYMER AND CRENA
Y425 BTN UBDIB AND ALASU
Y23 BTN UBDIB AND 50NM EAST VENEL
T134 BTN 70NM EAST AND 80NM WEST NOGIP
UQ346 BTN BORLI AND POLSO
Y12 BTN 100NM YPAD AND 100NM YMML
Y23 BETWEEN UBDIB AND 60NM WEST VENEL
Y53 BTN 60NM WEST YMTG AND TYNDI
Y218 BTN 50NM EAST BENDO AND TYNDI
W245 BTN YHML AND 100NM YMML
ADS-C/CPDLC LOGON: YMMM SER NOT AVBL THIS AIRSPACE. ACFT MAY REMAIN
LOGGED ON BUT POSITION REPORTS MUST BE BCST ON THE APPROPRIATE FREQ.
TRAFFIC INFO BCST BY ACFT (TIBA) PROCEDURES AS DETAILED IN AIP.
TIBA FREQUENCIES: AT OR ABOVE FL200 128.95 MHZ. BELOW FL200 126.35
MHZ, EXC IN DOMESTIC CLASS G AIRSPACE WHERE THE CLASS G FREQ SHALL BE
USED.
TCAS AND TRANSPONDER EQPT MUST BE SELECTED ON AT ALL TIMES.
SFC TO FL245
FROM 07 071400 TO 07 071900


C1150/23
TEMPO RESTRICTED AREA ACT
IN CTA CLASS E AIRSPACE.
ATS IN THE YMMM FIR SUBJECT TO CONTINGENCY DUE TO OPR RESTRICTIONS IN
THE FLW AIRSPACE:
MELBOURNE CENTRE 134.65 (RIVERINA AREA NEW SOUTH WALES). DESIGNATED
AIRSPACE HANDBOOK (DAH) SECTOR VOLUME NAMES AFFECTED ARE: 'TEMORA A
AND B'.
CONTINGENCY MAP (LISTED UNDER TEMORA IN THE MELBOURNE FIR) AVBL AT
HTTP://WWW.AIRSERVICESAUSTRALIA.COM/NOTAMMAPS/INDEX.ASP
THE CARRIAGE AND USE OF TWO RADIOS IS REQUIRED FOR ENTRY TO THE
RESTRICTED AREA. FREQUENCIES SHOWN ON THE CONTINGENCY MAPS ARE
MONITORED IN CASE OF EMERGENCY.
RELEVANT APPROVAL FROM CONTROLLING AUTHORITY REQUIRED.
PILOTS REQUESTING OPR IN CLASS E AIRSPACE SHALL CTC MELBOURNE CENTRE
TEL: (PLUS) 61 03 9235 7455 FOR ACCESS AUTHORITY.
AUTHORISATION TO ENTER THIS TEMPO RESTRICTED AREA DOES NOT CONSTITUTE
CLEARANCE TO ENTER ANY ADJ OR EMBEDDED RESTRICTED AREAS.
ATC SER NOT AVBL IN CLASS E AIRSPACE.
FIS AVAILABLE ON REQUEST FROM HF AND MAY BE AVAILABLE FROM ADJ ATS
UNITS.
PILOTS/OPERATORS CONSIDERING OPR IN CLASS G SHALL CTC MELBOURNE
CENTRE TEL: (PLUS) 61 03 9235 7455 FOR FURTHER INFO.
MILITARY OPERATIONS MAY EXIST IN THIS AREA, CHECK PUBLISHED NOTAMS.
PILOTS-IN-COMMAND ARE SOLELY RESPONSIBLE FOR TERRAIN AND COLLISION
AVOIDANCE WITHIN THE AFFECTED AIRSPACE.
APRX AREA A: VELGI, SCAPA, ASUMU, 15NM NORTH WG VOR, 20NM SOUTH
VINOP, 30NM WEST BORLI, YHLS, 20NM NORTH YLCG, VELGI.
VERTICAL LIMITS: SFC - FL245
APRX AREA B: VELGI, 20NM NORTH YLCG, 30NM NORTH YLCG, 15NM NORTHWEST
PKS VOR, VELGI.
VERTICAL LIMITS: SFC - FL125
TWR, TERMINAL CONTROL UNIT (TCU) AND MIL AREAS WITHIN THE ABOVE
AIRSPACE CONTINUE TO OPR AS PER EN ROUTE SUP AUSTRALIA (ERSA) UNLESS
SPECIFIED OTHERWISE.
MAJOR ATS ROUTES:
H44 BTN 30NM WEST CWR NDB AND 30NM WEST BORLI
ROUTES TO/FM BORLI (WITHIN 30NM TO THE WEST AND 100NM EAST)
Q923 BETWEEN 30NM AND 140NM SOUTH PKS VOR
ADS-C/CPDLC LOGON: YMMM SER NOT AVBL THIS AIRSPACE. ACFT MAY REMAIN
LOGGED ON BUT POSITION REPORTS MUST BE BCST ON THE APPROPRIATE FREQ.
TRAFFIC INFO BCST BY ACFT (TIBA) PROCEDURES AS DETAILED IN AIP APPLY.
TIBA FREQUENCIES: AT OR ABOVE FL200 128.95 MHZ. BELOW FL200 126.35
MHZ, EXC IN DOMESTIC CLASS G AIRSPACE WHERE THE CLASS G FREQ SHALL BE
USED.
TCAS AND TRANSPONDER EQPT MUST BE SELECTED ON AT ALL TIMES.
SFC TO FL245
FROM 07 071400 TO 07 071900
TEMPO RESTRICTED AREA ACT.
ATS SUBJECT TO CONTINGENCY DUE TO OPR RESTRICTIONS.
ATC SER NOT AVBL.
TIBA PROCEDURES APPLY.

NEW SOUTH WALES CENTRAL TABLELANDS
SOUTH-WEST NEW SOUTH WALES
RIVERINA AREA NEW SOUTH WALES
WESTERN VICTORIA
SOUTH-EASTERN SOUTH AUSTRALIA
TASMANIA AND BASS STRAIT

MAPS
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Originally Posted by sunnySA
TEMPO RESTRICTED AREA ACT.
ATS SUBJECT TO CONTINGENCY DUE TO OPR RESTRICTIONS.
ATC SER NOT AVBL.
TIBA PROCEDURES APPLY.

NEW SOUTH WALES CENTRAL TABLELANDS
SOUTH-WEST NEW SOUTH WALES
RIVERINA AREA NEW SOUTH WALES
WESTERN VICTORIA
SOUTH-EASTERN SOUTH AUSTRALIA
TASMANIA AND BASS STRAIT

MAPS

Why does it take 4 hours to analyse this rubbish and my sign on time is only 1 hour prior to departure?

The AIP and NOTAM requirements doesn’t mandate additional fuel requirements when TIBA operates exists, specifically with regards to holding/delays with regards to TIBA operations.

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Originally Posted by Duck Pilot
Why does it take 4 hours to analyse this rubbish and my sign on time is only 1 hour prior to departure?
The AIP and NOTAM requirements doesn’t mandate additional fuel requirements when TIBA operates exists, specifically with regards to holding/delays with regards to TIBA operations.
The Contingency Maps are inconsistent, some have ATS route structures, other don't, NOTAM reference ATS routes so seems logical that ATS routes should be displayed.
Given the current number of TRAs, there should be an interactive map that can display multiple TRAs on a single map. If AsA are not providing an ATC Service, then as a minimum they should be providing a pre-flight FIS (Flight Information Service) that assists the pilots. Feel your pain DP.
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Originally Posted by Duck Pilot
Why does it take 4 hours to analyse this rubbish and my sign on time is only 1 hour prior to departure?

The AIP and NOTAM requirements doesn’t mandate additional fuel requirements when TIBA operates exists, specifically with regards to holding/delays with regards to TIBA operations.
Yep don't have time for this ****. It's like they purposely make this as difficult as possible so when the inevitable happens they can just point at the crew and say we told you... It's all your fault.
Load up on fuel and don't fly in TIBA. Simple really.
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Bn app/dep operational restrictions

B1025/23
ATS OPR AT REDUCED CAPACITY
DUE TO OPERATIONAL RESTRICTIONS IN THE FOLLOWING AIRSPACE:
DESIGNATED AIRSPACE HANDBOOK (DAH) SECTOR VOLUME NAME AFFECTED IS:
'BRISBANE APPROACH BRISBANE'. INCLUDES CLASS C AIRSPACE WI 30NM OF
YBBN VOR/DME BLW FL180
YBBB/BRISBANE APCH 124.7 AND 125.6.
YBBB/BRISBANE DEPARTURES 133.45 AND 118.45.
CONTINGENCY MAPS (LISTED UNDER BRISBANE APCH/DEPARTURE IN THE
BRISBANE FIR AVBL AT
HTTP://WWW.AIRSERVICESAUSTRALIA.COM/NOTAMMAPS/INDEX.ASP
NIL AWK UNTIL 0400Z. AWK BETWEEN 0400-1200Z MAY BE SUBJ TO DELAYS AND
RESTRICTIONS
FOR FURTHER INFO CTC AIRSERVICES AUSTRALIA ON 1300 272 662 WITHIN
AUSTRALIA OR +612 6268 5662 OUTSIDE AUSTRALIA.
BASE OF CTA TO FL180
FROM 07 072140 TO 07 081200
Check your NOTAMS for any last minute changes...
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Originally Posted by cbradio
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When I asked some controllers what CIVILAIR (the air traffic controllers union) was doing, they all looked embarrassed…some thought it had become the paid political broadcaster for Airservices….surely not…Has the profession sunk so low now that people in dayglo jackets holding a STOP/SLOW sign are called traffic controllers???

How pathetic has Civil Air and the controllers become? Catherine the Great must have tracked them DCT TO EUNIC!
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When I asked some controllers what CIVILAIR (the air traffic controllers union) was doing, they all looked embarrassed…some thought it had become the paid political broadcaster for Airservices….surely not…Has the profession sunk so low now that people in dayglo jackets holding a STOP/SLOW sign are called traffic controllers???

How pathetic has Civil Air and the controllers become? Catherine the Great must have tracked them DCT TO EUNIC!

Civilair put out a media release in February which is the one that has been quoted this last week on various media outlets.
Also AFAP have a lengthy news item on the topic which I linked on a previous post.

MEDIA RELEASE 28 February 2023

AIR TRAFFIC CONTROL STAFFING

Civil Air is the association representing the professional, technical, and industrial needs of Australian Air Traffic Controllers and Air Traffic Control Supporting Staff.

Recent reports have highlighted the staffing shortfall within air traffic control, and the constant reliance on overtime leading to increased levels of fatigue and work/life balance issues for our members. In addition, the staffing shortfall has created consequent unfair pressure upon those who continue to provide professional operational services to the industry.

The COVID-19 pandemic shut down national and international borders and significantly altered the aviation landscape from March 2020.

In July 2021, Airservices offered a Retirement Incentive Scheme (RIS) to its air traffic services staff. 138 Air Traffic Service staff took this offer between 30 August 2021 and 17 June 2022. Of the 138, at least 124 were operational Air
Traffic Controllers. We estimate that RIS removed approximately 13.7% Air Traffic Controllers from rosters around Australia.

Personal leave is a direct result of removing workforce resilience (eg. RIS), traffic returning to pre-Covid levels earlier than anticipated and the constant requirement for overtime.

Civil Air wrote to Airservices to voice our concerns that the RIS would remove experienced ATC staff from rosters across the country. In response, Airservices advised Civil Air that they would not jeopardise safety and also advised that Workforce Deployment “has a plan” for staffing.

On 28 June 2022, Civil Air communicated these concerns to the regulator, the Civil Aviation Safety Authority. It is a requirement under the Civil Aviation Safety Regulations 1998 for an air traffic service provider to have a sufficient number of suitably qualified Air Traffic Control staff.

Civil Air are in continuous communication with Airservices to address these challenges in order to achieve adequate staffing and reduce the negative impact on our members.

“Unplanned leave”

Recent media reports have quoted Airservices as being critical about the level of ‘unplanned leave’ being taken by ATCs. Airservices management have blamed airline service interruptions on ATCs taking an increased volume of
“unplanned leave”, rather than their own lack of workforce planning/resource allocation.

To put this into context, for the next 6 weeks (between 25 February and 31March 2023), there are currently 1,296 shifts presently vacant or already allocated to staff on overtime. This equates to 12% of shifts across Australia being unfilled at the time of roster publication.

This is before any impact of potential unplanned personal leave. Covering these unfilled shifts will require overtime and thus reduce the number of available staff to cover any subsequent personal leave taken. Airservices report an increase to 20.6 shifts of personal leave taken per annum, up from 14 shifts per annum pre-Pandemic. An increase of 6 shifts per annum, in the context of a pandemic that, until recently, required mandatory isolation for positive cases
appears appropriate.

Further, it is relevant to note that ATCs have a regulatory requirement not to work unless medically fit for duty.
Data obtained by Civil Air for the period 1 December 2022 to 31 January 2023 demonstrates a very clear shortfall in the number of required staff, with recorded overtime hours far exceeding the number of hours lost to unplanned
leave.

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Originally Posted by 10JQKA
Civilair put out a media release in February which is the one that has been quoted this last week on various media outlets.
Also AFAP have a lengthy news item on the topic which I linked on a previous post.
Thanks, AFAP link was an interesting read.

28 February and using any calendar you'd like to nominate, Gregorian, Julian, or Hijri, its 130 days.

Perhaps Civil Air have been somewhat captured by all this, and its become the new normal. Perhaps the membership are seeing it each and every day, and the ATCs and support staff just get on with it and deal with it. Plug the holes and hopefully handover to an incoming shift.

This thread has highlighted the extent of TIBA, and the euphemism of Operational Restrictions (critical staffing shortage).

From Wikipedia
Normalization of deviance, according to American sociologist Diane Vaughan, is the process in which deviance from correct or proper behavior or rule becomes culturally normalized.

Vaughan defines the process where a clearly unsafe practice becomes considered normal if it does not immediately cause a catastrophe: "a long incubation period [before a final disaster] with early warning signs that were either misinterpreted, ignored or missed completely".

The original example cited by Vaughan is the events leading to the Space Shuttle Challenger disaster in 1986, but the concept has also been applied to aviation safety, clinical practice in medicine, and the public's deviance from health measures aimed to stop the COVID-19 pandemic.

Normalization of deviance can exist in conjunction with corporate omertà where deviation from rules is held up by a code of silence surrounding the deviations or an unspoken agreement on rhetoric within a group of executives. One of the reasons Lion Air Flight 610 and Ethiopian Airlines Flight 302 crashed was normalization of deviance based on a criticism of corporate omerta with a "culture of silence".
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I do acknowledge that Civil Air is very reliant on volunteers stepping up to be delegate and it's a hard gig.

Civil Air's charter is to advocate for the professional, technical and industrial needs of Australian Air Traffic Controllers and ATC Support Staff. From my experience, the membership was more focused on the loss of licence insurance and industrial issues, rather than strongly advocating professional development and technical enhancements.

I'll now revert to posting TIBA/OPR Restrictions information.
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