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From: GAFA
It's not so much "hating on them" for their current predicament. But an acknowledgement that with the state of the pilot market that there are better opportunities out there, in the contract world, overseas etc. For some the role may suit, I think some who have been overseas for their careers may see it as a "retirement job" to see out their days, but the younger guys and girls can probably see better longer term opportunities.
No one at NAA asked for mainline to purchase it. No one at NAA asked to have a wage policy that holds back the pilots from a resonable wage. No one asked for the string of Qantas managers that have done nothing more than used NAA as a spring board for their mainline (or JQ) careers.
NAA is OWNED by mainline. It is a reflection of that airline, only its starting point in terms of conditions and pay is lower.
Hate away. But hate Qantas, not just NAA.
Joined: Jul 2007
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From: Melbourne, Australia
Not ‘hating’?? So making up derogatory names is what, friendly? Yeah right.
No one at NAA asked for mainline to purchase it. No one at NAA asked to have a wage policy that holds back the pilots from a resonable wage. No one asked for the string of Qantas managers that have done nothing more than used NAA as a spring board for their mainline (or JQ) careers.
NAA is OWNED by mainline. It is a reflection of that airline, only its starting point in terms of conditions and pay is lower.
Hate away. But hate Qantas, not just NAA.
No one at NAA asked for mainline to purchase it. No one at NAA asked to have a wage policy that holds back the pilots from a resonable wage. No one asked for the string of Qantas managers that have done nothing more than used NAA as a spring board for their mainline (or JQ) careers.
NAA is OWNED by mainline. It is a reflection of that airline, only its starting point in terms of conditions and pay is lower.
Hate away. But hate Qantas, not just NAA.
Or those answering their phone to help them out because they think they'll hit productivity but never come close?
If you're going to go into work on an RDO at least try get paid close to, if not in excess of 4 figures for the day.
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From: oz
Can we hate the pilots who offer to come in on RDO's to save Network/QF from being fined tens of thousands of dollars in delayed/cancelled charters to the pilbara all for a measely $350?
Or those answering their phone to help them out because they think they'll hit productivity but never come close?
If you're going to go into work on an RDO at least try get paid close to, if not in excess of 4 figures for the day.
Or those answering their phone to help them out because they think they'll hit productivity but never come close?
If you're going to go into work on an RDO at least try get paid close to, if not in excess of 4 figures for the day.
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From: Melbourne, Australia
Why would the brutal IR team cave into your gentle requests for improvements in the next EBA when so many continue to save the company's backside by coming into work for pittance?
You all know what a heavily delayed or cancelled charter costs them. That's not your problem. If all of you stood strong for two or three rosters and refused to work more than you're contractually required/rostered then very quickly you'd see management have a freak out and come to the table knowing they have no choice but to offer you more to come into work on your well deserved days off.
Tell them next time to cancel the flight or pay you what you're worth. The guys and girls in the 737 get a minimum FO call out of $900 and $1408 for Captain. And if it's a flight/s longer than 4 hours like a Broome return or Darwin return then that goes up even higher.
What have you got to lose to say no and ask for something similar?
Again, ask yourselves what their costs are if they cancel a flight? I'm sure someone else here can quote the rumoured figures.
You all know what a heavily delayed or cancelled charter costs them. That's not your problem. If all of you stood strong for two or three rosters and refused to work more than you're contractually required/rostered then very quickly you'd see management have a freak out and come to the table knowing they have no choice but to offer you more to come into work on your well deserved days off.
Tell them next time to cancel the flight or pay you what you're worth. The guys and girls in the 737 get a minimum FO call out of $900 and $1408 for Captain. And if it's a flight/s longer than 4 hours like a Broome return or Darwin return then that goes up even higher.
What have you got to lose to say no and ask for something similar?
Again, ask yourselves what their costs are if they cancel a flight? I'm sure someone else here can quote the rumoured figures.
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From: Earth
Why would the brutal IR team cave into your gentle requests for improvements in the next EBA when so many continue to save the company's backside by coming into work for pittance?
You all know what a heavily delayed or cancelled charter costs them. That's not your problem. If all of you stood strong for two or three rosters and refused to work more than you're contractually required/rostered then very quickly you'd see management have a freak out and come to the table knowing they have no choice but to offer you more to come into work on your well deserved days off.
Tell them next time to cancel the flight or pay you what you're worth. The guys and girls in the 737 get a minimum FO call out of $900 and $1408 for Captain. And if it's a flight/s longer than 4 hours like a Broome return or Darwin return then that goes up even higher.
What have you got to lose to say no and ask for something similar?
Again, ask yourselves what their costs are if they cancel a flight? I'm sure someone else here can quote the rumoured figures.
You all know what a heavily delayed or cancelled charter costs them. That's not your problem. If all of you stood strong for two or three rosters and refused to work more than you're contractually required/rostered then very quickly you'd see management have a freak out and come to the table knowing they have no choice but to offer you more to come into work on your well deserved days off.
Tell them next time to cancel the flight or pay you what you're worth. The guys and girls in the 737 get a minimum FO call out of $900 and $1408 for Captain. And if it's a flight/s longer than 4 hours like a Broome return or Darwin return then that goes up even higher.
What have you got to lose to say no and ask for something similar?
Again, ask yourselves what their costs are if they cancel a flight? I'm sure someone else here can quote the rumoured figures.
That’s exactly right! But pilots are a stupid bunch of rabbits all looking for a carrot and are willing to step on anyone else along the way - even their own colleagues. Engineers at Virgin are striking once a week. They recognise that they’re not a liability and will get a nice win as a result. Pilots in this country should have gone on strike years ago. If pilots don’t band together now when everything is going their way from a negotiation standpoint they’ll never move forward.
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From: Gamma Quadrant
That’s exactly right! But pilots are a stupid bunch of rabbits all looking for a carrot and are willing to step on anyone else along the way - even their own colleagues. Engineers at Virgin are striking once a week. They recognise that they’re not a liability and will get a nice win as a result. Pilots in this country should have gone on strike years ago. If pilots don’t band together now when everything is going their way from a negotiation standpoint they’ll never move forward.
Pilots did go on strike years ago - does 1989 ring any bells. The unintended consequences of this strike are still with us 34 years later.
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From: Earth
That strike was poorly managed. 34 years later I’m sure a combined group of pilots could intelligently fight for what they deserve.
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From: Sydney
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From: Burpelson AFB
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From: Cill
Can't help but totally agree that Network crew shouldn't help and you'd see a pretty fast improvement.
What strategic imperatives where needed to secure more A320s during EBA negotiations?
Half yearly results indicate up to 24. Who's going to fly them?
The remainder of the group pilot groups are relying on Network. If you get paid more - the wedge is dead.
What strategic imperatives where needed to secure more A320s during EBA negotiations?
Half yearly results indicate up to 24. Who's going to fly them?
The remainder of the group pilot groups are relying on Network. If you get paid more - the wedge is dead.
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From: Australia
Simple solution to all your woes. Advise the QF IR Team of the following non negotiable ‘Strategic Imperatives’:
1. An increase to the work on a Day off Payment to $1,200.
2. Include an allowance for any duty changes within 14 days of at least $500.
3. Increase the number of days off per roster period.
4. Improve protections around days off - 2 RDOs equal at least 65 hours free of duty.
5. The ability to refuse any duty changes within 14 days.
Failure to meet these non negotiable strategic imperatives in 14 days will result in PIA which will include refusing to work days off. Refusal of all MELs and full approaches flown including hold on every sector.
Do this and you’ll have a somewhat respectable EA within 6 weeks.
1. An increase to the work on a Day off Payment to $1,200.
2. Include an allowance for any duty changes within 14 days of at least $500.
3. Increase the number of days off per roster period.
4. Improve protections around days off - 2 RDOs equal at least 65 hours free of duty.
5. The ability to refuse any duty changes within 14 days.
Failure to meet these non negotiable strategic imperatives in 14 days will result in PIA which will include refusing to work days off. Refusal of all MELs and full approaches flown including hold on every sector.
Do this and you’ll have a somewhat respectable EA within 6 weeks.
Joined: Jul 2009
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From: australia
Spot on Aussiedlyboy!
Time for the Magestic chickens to either Grow a set of wings and fight for a decent agreement or simply continue hunting through the waste land looking for the Chip happy working under a rubbish EA that adds fuel to the fire in the total race to the bottom industry we are against.
Time for the Magestic chickens to either Grow a set of wings and fight for a decent agreement or simply continue hunting through the waste land looking for the Chip happy working under a rubbish EA that adds fuel to the fire in the total race to the bottom industry we are against.
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From: Anvya
Salary Update:
Airline Pilots in the US registered one of the highest average occupational salary increases in 2022, thanks to significant increases in regional pilot compensations.
Details: https://aerocrewnews.com/m2c0
Airline Pilots in the US registered one of the highest average occupational salary increases in 2022, thanks to significant increases in regional pilot compensations.
Details: https://aerocrewnews.com/m2c0
