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Old 13th Sep 2022, 00:31
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You are a strange dude, Active.
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Old 13th Sep 2022, 13:12
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Originally Posted by ActiveLooker View Post
not bitter mate. I feel for the guys I know at Network. I wouldn’t return to Oz if you paid me double. All I hear about is how bad the boys get treated. The pay structure and SOs is just an example
How’s that pay structure over there going?
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Old 13th Sep 2022, 13:18
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The issue isn’t the pay of the SO. It’s the low pay of the subsidiaries that someone else mentioned was a managers wet dream in a pilot over supply.

There has long been a rumour floating around that when NAA announced years ago that they’d get a320s some of their pilots went to management and offered to fly it on min wage or F100 pay just to fly something nicer and get airbus in their log book. Someone correct me if this is true or not. I have been advised their AL is paid at a Fokker rate?

I can tell you every mainline pilot I speak to is gunning for JQ and NAA to get the pay rises they deserve and F-off the group pay freeze bribe. The better they are paid the better off everyone else is, including mainline drivers.

Raise the bottom of the industry. Don’t bring down the top.

Reminds me of a VARA F100 driver who stated in 2019 before the pandemic was even a thing that “sometimes we gotta help management out and take a pay cut. We are already paid very well”……….
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Old 13th Sep 2022, 15:45
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Originally Posted by onezeroonethree View Post
The issue isn’t the pay of the SO. It’s the low pay of the subsidiaries that someone else mentioned was a managers wet dream in a pilot over supply.

There has long been a rumour floating around that when NAA announced years ago that they’d get a320s some of their pilots went to management and offered to fly it on min wage or F100 pay just to fly something nicer and get airbus in their log book. Someone correct me if this is true or not. I have been advised their AL is paid at a Fokker rate?

I can tell you every mainline pilot I speak to is gunning for JQ and NAA to get the pay rises they deserve and F-off the group pay freeze bribe. The better they are paid the better off everyone else is, including mainline drivers.

Raise the bottom of the industry. Don’t bring down the top.

Reminds me of a VARA F100 driver who stated in 2019 before the pandemic was even a thing that “sometimes we gotta help management out and take a pay cut. We are already paid very well”……….
This is well known, some NAA captains encouraged the push through of the current eba to get on the 320 first...and get into check and training
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Old 14th Sep 2022, 05:45
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Originally Posted by 1234fly View Post
This is well known, some NAA captains encouraged the push through of the current eba to get on the 320 first...and get into check and training
not true at all the. Current Eba was signed about 2 years before the first bus came. Stop spreading these false rumors that do nothing but divide our pilot group.
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Old 14th Sep 2022, 08:01
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Originally Posted by Jc31 View Post
not true at all the. Current Eba was signed about 2 years before the first bus came. Stop spreading these false rumors that do nothing but divide our pilot group.
Very much true. Will encourage people to not let crap like that happen again for this EBA
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Old 14th Sep 2022, 09:05
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Regardless of what everyone thinks Network pilots accepted their crappy pay so it’s their own fault. This fantasy of trying to improve conditions won’t work unless you actually do something and get a decent paid flying job, so just leave and let them deal with it. Simple economics.
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Old 14th Sep 2022, 10:32
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Originally Posted by Angle of Attack View Post
Regardless of what everyone thinks Network pilots accepted their crappy pay so it’s their own fault. This fantasy of trying to improve conditions won’t work unless you actually do something and get a decent paid flying job, so just leave and let them deal with it. Simple economics.
Not quite so simple for a Pilot wanting to stay in Perth and not sit in a plane for 17 hours at a time. NAA is one of the better paying jobs based in Perth (now that Qantas forced NJS pilots out). So an NAA Pilot can’t just leave if they want to remain in Perth and get paid the same.

What they need to be doing is appreciating that QF needs them more than they need QF and encourage their union reps to demand action on negotiating a new EA. If QF is refusing to sit down at the table then time for PIA. Simple.
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Old 14th Sep 2022, 14:19
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Originally Posted by onezeroonethree View Post
The issue isn’t the pay of the SO. It’s the low pay of the subsidiaries that someone else mentioned was a managers wet dream in a pilot over supply.

There has long been a rumour floating around that when NAA announced years ago that they’d get a320s some of their pilots went to management and offered to fly it on min wage or F100 pay just to fly something nicer and get airbus in their log book. Someone correct me if this is true or not. I have been advised their AL is paid at a Fokker rate?

I can tell you every mainline pilot I speak to is gunning for JQ and NAA to get the pay rises they deserve and F-off the group pay freeze bribe. The better they are paid the better off everyone else is, including mainline drivers.

Raise the bottom of the industry. Don’t bring down the top.

Reminds me of a VARA F100 driver who stated in 2019 before the pandemic was even a thing that “sometimes we gotta help management out and take a pay cut. We are already paid very well”……….
You’re wrong. No idea what idiots spoke about behind closed doors and there are some that probably would have offered to fly it for the same pay, who would even know now? But making up rumours is just way too much fun! Pay when on leave, however, is at the correct rate. Next rumour please…
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Old 14th Sep 2022, 14:36
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Originally Posted by 1234fly View Post
This is well known, some NAA captains encouraged the push through of the current eba to get on the 320 first...and get into check and training
Wow! I never knew this?

So let me get this right. 2 years before the A320’s are introduced a select few come up with a cunning plan to get into check and training. Who also were already in check and training. THEN convinced around 60 pilots to vote yes to a terrible agreement that no one liked. THEN sat there for the next two years secretly bidding their time until PRESTO! They got exactly what they wanted…

Sounds like some geniuses right there!

IF, however, you are talking about a MANAGER back then and not a pilot then I could believe it…

Can I ask, WHO CARES? Most of the pilots who stupidly voted yes are long gone, plenty of new folks for management to brainwash.

Also the CWA was utter trash and the EA was an improvement from that turd of an agreement. Maybe it’s possible that 60 pilots saw this and voted yes as apposed to your ludicrous conspiracy theory.
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Old 14th Sep 2022, 14:44
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Keeping on topic is there really a mass exodus? Didn’t they retract DEC offers a few months ago? If so, mass exodus is being used rather liberally.
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Old 15th Sep 2022, 02:46
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Heard from the Parabadoo refueller that there are only 2 ex F100 checkies on the bus. Difficult to believe that 2 people had so much influence.
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Old 15th Sep 2022, 04:18
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Originally Posted by Shot Nancy View Post
Heard from the Parabadoo refueller that there are only 2 ex F100 checkies on the bus. Difficult to believe that 2 people had so much influence.
That’s a reliable source 🤣
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Old 15th Sep 2022, 05:57
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Originally Posted by 1234fly View Post
This is well known, some NAA captains encouraged the push through of the current eba to get on the 320 first...and get into check and training
Heard about this. What a toxic environment. Australian aviation at its finest 👌.
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Old 15th Sep 2022, 06:11
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Originally Posted by Gnadenburg View Post
Keeping on topic is there really a mass exodus? Didn’t they retract DEC offers a few months ago? If so, mass exodus is being used rather liberally.
I think there are a lot more suckers, sorry pilots, wanting to join than wanting to leave Gnads
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Old 15th Sep 2022, 06:18
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With an EA that expired in 2020 I assume NAA Pilots have weekly EA meetings scheduled with the QF IR team? Regular updates from their unions on how these meetings are progressing?
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Old 15th Sep 2022, 12:28
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Originally Posted by dusty99 View Post
Heard about this. What a toxic environment. Australian aviation at its finest 👌.
Ah yeah heard about it blah blah blah

Never let a good rumour get in the way of bashing other pilots… after all, this is a rumour network right?
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Old 15th Sep 2022, 12:30
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Originally Posted by aussieflyboy View Post
With an EA that expired in 2020 I assume NAA Pilots have weekly EA meetings scheduled with the QF IR team? Regular updates from their unions on how these meetings are progressing?
Sadly no.
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Old 15th Sep 2022, 12:59
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Originally Posted by TooManyPineapples View Post
Sadly no.
How embarrassing.
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Originally Posted by aussieflyboy View Post
How embarrassing.
Well for the AFAP, AIPA and TWU yes, it is rather embarrassing really. Especially the TWU members since I’m almost certain, and please feel free to screen shot an email example if I’m wrong, most of those misguided pilots have never once been mentioned in their newsletter/communication media… again if I’m wrong please correct me with a screenshot please.

But my word that TWU is a cheap cheap option damn it and way too hard to pass up!

Imagine the savings at retirement in fees…..
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