Network Aviation Mass Exodus
Originally Posted by ActiveLooker
not bitter mate. I feel for the guys I know at Network. I wouldn’t return to Oz if you paid me double. All I hear about is how bad the boys get treated. The pay structure and SOs is just an example
The issue isn’t the pay of the SO. It’s the low pay of the subsidiaries that someone else mentioned was a managers wet dream in a pilot over supply.
There has long been a rumour floating around that when NAA announced years ago that they’d get a320s some of their pilots went to management and offered to fly it on min wage or F100 pay just to fly something nicer and get airbus in their log book. Someone correct me if this is true or not. I have been advised their AL is paid at a Fokker rate?
I can tell you every mainline pilot I speak to is gunning for JQ and NAA to get the pay rises they deserve and F-off the group pay freeze bribe. The better they are paid the better off everyone else is, including mainline drivers.
Raise the bottom of the industry. Don’t bring down the top.
Reminds me of a VARA F100 driver who stated in 2019 before the pandemic was even a thing that “sometimes we gotta help management out and take a pay cut. We are already paid very well”……….
There has long been a rumour floating around that when NAA announced years ago that they’d get a320s some of their pilots went to management and offered to fly it on min wage or F100 pay just to fly something nicer and get airbus in their log book. Someone correct me if this is true or not. I have been advised their AL is paid at a Fokker rate?
I can tell you every mainline pilot I speak to is gunning for JQ and NAA to get the pay rises they deserve and F-off the group pay freeze bribe. The better they are paid the better off everyone else is, including mainline drivers.
Raise the bottom of the industry. Don’t bring down the top.
Reminds me of a VARA F100 driver who stated in 2019 before the pandemic was even a thing that “sometimes we gotta help management out and take a pay cut. We are already paid very well”……….
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Originally Posted by onezeroonethree
The issue isn’t the pay of the SO. It’s the low pay of the subsidiaries that someone else mentioned was a managers wet dream in a pilot over supply.
There has long been a rumour floating around that when NAA announced years ago that they’d get a320s some of their pilots went to management and offered to fly it on min wage or F100 pay just to fly something nicer and get airbus in their log book. Someone correct me if this is true or not. I have been advised their AL is paid at a Fokker rate?
I can tell you every mainline pilot I speak to is gunning for JQ and NAA to get the pay rises they deserve and F-off the group pay freeze bribe. The better they are paid the better off everyone else is, including mainline drivers.
Raise the bottom of the industry. Don’t bring down the top.
Reminds me of a VARA F100 driver who stated in 2019 before the pandemic was even a thing that “sometimes we gotta help management out and take a pay cut. We are already paid very well”……….
There has long been a rumour floating around that when NAA announced years ago that they’d get a320s some of their pilots went to management and offered to fly it on min wage or F100 pay just to fly something nicer and get airbus in their log book. Someone correct me if this is true or not. I have been advised their AL is paid at a Fokker rate?
I can tell you every mainline pilot I speak to is gunning for JQ and NAA to get the pay rises they deserve and F-off the group pay freeze bribe. The better they are paid the better off everyone else is, including mainline drivers.
Raise the bottom of the industry. Don’t bring down the top.
Reminds me of a VARA F100 driver who stated in 2019 before the pandemic was even a thing that “sometimes we gotta help management out and take a pay cut. We are already paid very well”……….
Originally Posted by 1234fly
This is well known, some NAA captains encouraged the push through of the current eba to get on the 320 first...and get into check and training
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Originally Posted by Jc31
not true at all the. Current Eba was signed about 2 years before the first bus came. Stop spreading these false rumors that do nothing but divide our pilot group.
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Regardless of what everyone thinks Network pilots accepted their crappy pay so it’s their own fault. This fantasy of trying to improve conditions won’t work unless you actually do something and get a decent paid flying job, so just leave and let them deal with it. Simple economics.
Originally Posted by Angle of Attack
Regardless of what everyone thinks Network pilots accepted their crappy pay so it’s their own fault. This fantasy of trying to improve conditions won’t work unless you actually do something and get a decent paid flying job, so just leave and let them deal with it. Simple economics.
What they need to be doing is appreciating that QF needs them more than they need QF and encourage their union reps to demand action on negotiating a new EA. If QF is refusing to sit down at the table then time for PIA. Simple.
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Originally Posted by onezeroonethree
The issue isn’t the pay of the SO. It’s the low pay of the subsidiaries that someone else mentioned was a managers wet dream in a pilot over supply.
There has long been a rumour floating around that when NAA announced years ago that they’d get a320s some of their pilots went to management and offered to fly it on min wage or F100 pay just to fly something nicer and get airbus in their log book. Someone correct me if this is true or not. I have been advised their AL is paid at a Fokker rate?
I can tell you every mainline pilot I speak to is gunning for JQ and NAA to get the pay rises they deserve and F-off the group pay freeze bribe. The better they are paid the better off everyone else is, including mainline drivers.
Raise the bottom of the industry. Don’t bring down the top.
Reminds me of a VARA F100 driver who stated in 2019 before the pandemic was even a thing that “sometimes we gotta help management out and take a pay cut. We are already paid very well”……….
There has long been a rumour floating around that when NAA announced years ago that they’d get a320s some of their pilots went to management and offered to fly it on min wage or F100 pay just to fly something nicer and get airbus in their log book. Someone correct me if this is true or not. I have been advised their AL is paid at a Fokker rate?
I can tell you every mainline pilot I speak to is gunning for JQ and NAA to get the pay rises they deserve and F-off the group pay freeze bribe. The better they are paid the better off everyone else is, including mainline drivers.
Raise the bottom of the industry. Don’t bring down the top.
Reminds me of a VARA F100 driver who stated in 2019 before the pandemic was even a thing that “sometimes we gotta help management out and take a pay cut. We are already paid very well”……….
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Originally Posted by 1234fly
This is well known, some NAA captains encouraged the push through of the current eba to get on the 320 first...and get into check and training
So let me get this right. 2 years before the A320’s are introduced a select few come up with a cunning plan to get into check and training. Who also were already in check and training. THEN convinced around 60 pilots to vote yes to a terrible agreement that no one liked. THEN sat there for the next two years secretly bidding their time until PRESTO! They got exactly what they wanted…
Sounds like some geniuses right there!
IF, however, you are talking about a MANAGER back then and not a pilot then I could believe it…
Can I ask, WHO CARES? Most of the pilots who stupidly voted yes are long gone, plenty of new folks for management to brainwash.
Also the CWA was utter trash and the EA was an improvement from that turd of an agreement. Maybe it’s possible that 60 pilots saw this and voted yes as apposed to your ludicrous conspiracy theory.
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Originally Posted by Shot Nancy
Heard from the Parabadoo refueller that there are only 2 ex F100 checkies on the bus. Difficult to believe that 2 people had so much influence.
Originally Posted by 1234fly
This is well known, some NAA captains encouraged the push through of the current eba to get on the 320 first...and get into check and training
Originally Posted by Gnadenburg
Keeping on topic is there really a mass exodus? Didn’t they retract DEC offers a few months ago? If so, mass exodus is being used rather liberally.
With an EA that expired in 2020 I assume NAA Pilots have weekly EA meetings scheduled with the QF IR team? Regular updates from their unions on how these meetings are progressing?
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Originally Posted by dusty99
Heard about this. What a toxic environment. Australian aviation at its finest 👌.
Never let a good rumour get in the way of bashing other pilots… after all, this is a rumour network right?
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Originally Posted by aussieflyboy
With an EA that expired in 2020 I assume NAA Pilots have weekly EA meetings scheduled with the QF IR team? Regular updates from their unions on how these meetings are progressing?
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Originally Posted by aussieflyboy
How embarrassing.
But my word that TWU is a cheap cheap option damn it and way too hard to pass up!
Imagine the savings at retirement in fees…..
