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Old 6th Sep 2022, 02:59
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Network Aviation Mass Exodus

Heard the new tactic is to threatening termination and stand downs for negotiating day off payments. Seems the behaviours donít change only the people. Contract work still the better choice. Guys looking for other options now. Engineers, Cabin Crew and Pilots about to leave in droves.

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Old 6th Sep 2022, 04:08
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Heard they have a new guy from the competitor and already threatening termination and stand downs for negotiating day off payments. Seems the behaviours donít change only the people. Contract work still the better choice.

Iím old enough to remember what happened to the last senior manager who threw their weight around enough to attract the attention of HR. Gardening leave anyone?
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Old 6th Sep 2022, 04:53
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Heard the new tactic is to threatening termination and stand downs for negotiating day off payments.
Very simple solution.

When on a day off do not answer your phone for work calls.

Simples.
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Can they afford to follow through with such threats considering they’re heavily under crewed?
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Originally Posted by onezeroonethree View Post
Can they afford to follow through with such threats considering theyíre heavily under crewed?
Iím guessing itís just another boof head comment to try and intimidate the lads. Certainly drives potential new joiners away when they should be doing the opposite. It was looking like a way back to Oz but not anymore. Some of my ex colleagues who went there are now looking O/S again.
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Originally Posted by Icarus2001 View Post
Very simple solution.

When on a day off do not answer your phone for work calls.

Simples.
And even if you do get caught off guard & answer it the simple answer is just had some beers & cant drive never mind fly an aircraft,they dont own you.
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Old 6th Sep 2022, 09:15
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Originally Posted by ActiveLooker View Post
Iím guessing itís just another boof head comment to try and intimidate the lads. Certainly drives potential new joiners away when they should be doing the opposite. It was looking like a way back to Oz but not anymore. Some of my ex colleagues who went there are now looking O/S again.
The Ďsalaryí is not going to afford much of a standard of living by comparison to what they can get elsewhere, and Iíd imagine it is a much less daunting proposition for someone used to being an expat to move OS again. Iím surprised many have stuck around for this long.
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Old 6th Sep 2022, 10:30
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In a world of supply and demand, it would only be an ignorant manager who didn’t understand this concept. And only an ignorant manager would be issuing threats. (Everything, and everyone has a price IMHO)
Perhaps the said manager should be focussed on the underlying issue of perhaps why pilots may seek more remuneration for a DDO shift?

Have heard the EBA is atrocious, and was never properly addressed when the Airbus was added. Maybe a start point?
World / Australia moving to shortages, so pilot groups there should have an advantage. So long as you have individuals saying yes to poor call-out fees, there will always be that problem. The wills and the won’ts.
If everyone was a ‘won’t’ then perhaps some clever leverage could be exercised.



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Old 6th Sep 2022, 10:53
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Equal Pay for equal work. What does a Jetstar or VARA 320 pilot get for working on a day off?

Anything less is not worth the effort.
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Equal Pay for equal work. What does a Jetstar or VARA 320 pilot get for working on a day off?

Anything less is not worth the effort.
Does that mean Network guys/girls will be remunerated the same as the Mainline guys/girls in their 321's? Same uniform, same job, same pay? Right?
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Is old mate still the CP?
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Old 6th Sep 2022, 11:43
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Old chief has "gone to spend more time with family and friends" just like the last HOTC who got the axe
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Originally Posted by aseriesofleftturns View Post
Does that mean Network guys/girls will be remunerated the same as the Mainline guys/girls in their 321's? Same uniform, same job, same pay? Right?
Not a realistic comparison is it champ. If the mainline guys start flying 320s (not 321s) between Perth and Newman then why not!?
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Originally Posted by aussieflyboy View Post
Not a realistic comparison is it champ. If the mainline guys start flying 320s (not 321s) between Perth and Newman then why not!?
And when Network are flying 320's to Bali, Singapore, Brisbane, Adelaide, Darwin (already do), Cairns etc, champ?
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Originally Posted by ifylofd View Post
In a world of supply and demand, it would only be an ignorant manager who didnít understand this concept. And only an ignorant manager would be issuing threats. (Everything, and everyone has a price IMHO)
Perhaps the said manager should be focussed on the underlying issue of perhaps why pilots may seek more remuneration for a DDO shift?
I've heard stories of NAA pilots resigning and then getting an email from some manager up the chain asking if they can have a chat as to the reasons why they're moving on...





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Not a realistic comparison is it champ. If the mainline guys start flying 320s (not 321s) between Perth and Newman then why not!?
So now the destination, not the aircraft type defines you? You mean the QF 787 guys/girls then also deserve less on a PER MEL sector....are you for real?
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So now the destination, not the aircraft type defines you? You mean the QF 787 guys/girls then also deserve less on a PER MEL sector....are you for real?
Im not suggest anyone should earn less chump. Iím stating that Network pilots should be earning more. Are you struggling with that concept?
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Im not suggest anyone should earn less chump. Iím stating that Network pilots should be earning more. Are you struggling with that concept?
Aussie, you probably need to reword your initial post. It certainly seems you believe Newman flying is worth less than trunk routes.
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Heard the new tactic is to threatening termination and stand downs for negotiating day off payments. Seems the behaviours donít change only the people. Contract work still the better choice. Guys looking for other options now. Engineers, Cabin Crew and Pilots about to leave in droves.
New ... ?

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Wake up, Network management!

It seems your bin chickens are growing wings.
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