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Old 20th Dec 2022, 07:42
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Originally Posted by dr dre
Debunked here:

The Aseem Malhotra lecture isn’t what you think it is

Article by cardiologist Aseem Malhotra made unsupported claims about the benefits and risks of COVID-19 vaccination

He isn’t convincing anyone apart from cookers.

And digging more into this guy he has a very chequered background. Basically a Dr Oz, promoting his “Low Carb, High Fat” diet books and claiming that diet would decrease the severity of Covid. Quack is a perfect definition for this guy.

Aseem Malhotra
Diet is a massive factor in just how effective the body is in keeping all of life’s ‘bugs’ at bay. For starters, there is the food type intake effect on the body's vitamin D levels.
Vitamin D levels are deficient in the elderly and the obese… guess who were the main ‘victims’ of the china virus..

As to the so-called rebuttal article:

https://healthfeedback.org/claimrevi...9-vaccination/

“..Scientists such as surgeon and cancer researcher David Gorski, biostatisticians Jeffrey S Morris, and nanomedicine expert Susan Oliver pointed out several issues in the study..”


One a ‘research’ doctor looking to make the next big drug… now, who will be marketing that billion dollar profit drug…. Thinking, thinking..


The next, a researcher who were involved in papers that found gems such as: “..the benefit of the mandates was potentially stronger within Republican-leaning counties..”
or the “Racial Disparities” found with zero reference to vitamin D deficiency.

https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/35675599/


And lucky last, if this is the same Susan Oliver, then it looks like we found us a live one: “..People who are not vaccinated for Covid are more likely to be involved in car crashes..” ..

https://twitter.com/drsusanoliver1





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Old 20th Dec 2022, 08:24
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Why is it that a few amongst us refuse to admit that the science is irrefutable?
You poor bastard, you believe everything you're told? Question nothing? If you look really hard you might find some thalidomide lying around, it's good for morning sickness.
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Old 20th Dec 2022, 08:33
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Originally Posted by tossbag
You poor bastard, you believe everything you're told? Question nothing? If you look really hard you might find some thalidomide lying around, it's good for morning sickness.
Thalidomide was used before any real testing and trials (1950s). Protocols are far better developed now.

Plus there have been millions of babies born to Covid vaccinated parents, and no widespread birth defects reported.
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Thalidomide was used before any real testing and trials (1950s).
So?

Trust the science they said back then.

Doesn't change the fact that millions will believe anything they are told, and can't/won't do any critical analysis. I've got a mate, him and his family refused the vaccine, none of them have contracted covid, me, vaccinated, caught it twice so far.
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Old 20th Dec 2022, 09:05
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A lot of Conformation bias in play here. 🤣🤣
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Oh there's a lot of bias going on bro
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Old 21st Dec 2022, 01:25
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Originally Posted by tossbag
You poor bastard, you believe everything you're told? Question nothing? If you look really hard you might find some thalidomide lying around, it's good for morning sickness.
How do you get to post about thalidomide ? My posts referencing it get removed.. ?
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Old 21st Dec 2022, 02:34
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Life is a terminal disease, anyone able to recommend a pill or vaccination.
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Old 21st Dec 2022, 09:09
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Hey Binghi, dunno. I think it's due the high quality posts I'm known for in general
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Old 21st Dec 2022, 09:31
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Originally Posted by dr dre
Thalidomide was used before any real testing and trials (1950s). Protocols are far better developed now.

Plus there have been millions of babies born to Covid vaccinated parents, and no widespread birth defects reported.
A pre covid publication.
A history lesson of the last pandemic - they then said safe and effective (you read this and you even see the lied - this year 2 court cases have been resolved -10 years later &more to come).

https://archive.hshsl.umaryland.edu/...=1&isAllowed=y
In October 2009, the US National Institutes of Health infectious diseases chief, Anthony Fauci, appeared on YouTube to reassure Americans about the safety of the “swine flu” vaccine
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Old 21st Dec 2022, 19:35
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The association of increased risk of COVID-19 with higher numbers of prior vaccine doses in our study, was unexpected. A simplistic explanation might be that those who received more doses were more likely to be individuals at higher risk of COVID-19. A small proportion of individuals may have fit this description. However, the majority of subjects in this study were generally young individuals and all were eligible to have received at least 3 doses of vaccine by the study start date, and which they had every opportunity to do. … This is not the only study to find a possible association with more prior vaccine doses and higher risk of COVID-19. … We still have a lot to learn about protection from COVID-19 vaccination, and in addition to a vaccine’s effectiveness it is important to examine whether multiple vaccine doses given over time may not be having the beneficial effect that is generally assumed“


https://www.medrxiv.org/content/10.1...625v1.full.pdf
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Old 21st Dec 2022, 20:51
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The association of increased risk of COVID-19 with higher numbers of prior vaccine doses in our study, was unexpected. A simplistic explanation might be that those who received more doses were more likely to be individuals at higher risk of COVID-19. A small proportion of individuals may have fit this description. However, the majority of subjects in this study were generally young individuals and all were eligible to have received at least 3 doses of vaccine by the study start date, and which they had every opportunity to do. … This is not the only study to find a possible association with more prior vaccine doses and higher risk of COVID-19. … We still have a lot to learn about protection from COVID-19 vaccination, and in addition to a vaccine’s effectiveness it is important to examine whether multiple vaccine doses given over time may not be having the beneficial effect that is generally assumed“


https://www.medrxiv.org/content/10.1...625v1.full.pdf
Yet you omit this part of that report: Those who chose to receive the bivalent vaccine might have been more worried about infection and might have been more likely to get tested when they had symptoms, thereby disproportionately detecting more incident infections among those who received the bivalent vaccine.

So basically (in the US where the vaccine was highly politicised) if you didn’t believe in the vaccine you probably weren’t in a rush to get yourself tested when symptoms occurred, so the infection appeared lowered amongst unvaccinated.
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Old 21st Dec 2022, 22:01
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And you missed this then.

The association of increased risk of COVID-19 with higher numbers of prior vaccine doses in our study, was unexpected. A simplistic explanation might be that those who received more doses were more likely to be individuals at higher risk of COVID-19. A small proportion of individuals may have fit this description. However, the majority of subjects in this study were generally young individuals and all were eligible to have received at least 3 doses of vaccine by the study start date, and which they had every opportunity to do. Therefore, those who received fewer than 3 doses (>45% of individuals in the study) were not those ineligible to receive the vaccine, but those who chose not to follow the CDC’s recommendations on remaining updated with COVID-19 vaccination, and one could reasonably expect these individuals to have been more likely to have exhibited higher risk- taking behavior. Despite this, their risk of acquiring COVID-19 was lower than those who received a larger number of prior vaccine doses. This is not the only study to find a possible association with more prior vaccine doses and higher risk of COVID-19. A large study found that those who had an Omicron variant infection after previously receiving three doses of vaccine had a higher risk of reinfection than those who had an Omicron variant infection after previously receiving two doses of vaccine [21]. Another study found that receipt of two or three doses of a mRNA vaccine following prior COVID-19 was associated with a higher risk of reinfection than receipt of a single dose
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Old 21st Dec 2022, 23:46
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(in the US where the vaccine was highly politicised)


And it wasn't here, and everywhere else in the world. I notice Kerryn Phelps and her partner now whinging about vaccine effects.
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Old 21st Dec 2022, 23:54
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Originally Posted by Flying Binghi
How do you get to post about thalidomide ? My posts referencing it get removed.. ?
Flying Binghi Not a single post of yours has been removed nor Moderated on this thread.

Public notice (since you seem unable to note the previous private advice): one more example of publicly moaning about Moderation or Moderators and you won’t have access until next year.
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Old 22nd Dec 2022, 00:13
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Originally Posted by tossbag
You poor bastard, you believe everything you're told? Question nothing? If you look really hard you might find some thalidomide lying around, it's good for morning sickness.
I pitty the fool who cannot see this is about money , not conspirracy def not altruism, not aliens ,not tin foil hats or micrro chips.not conspiarcy theories.
Wake up. money is not a conspiracy it's a way of life. Fpizer has a market cap of almost 300 billion. dollars. moderna 80 billion. dunno about the other's but the shortcutts pfizzer took in testing are well doccumented. thewy want moeny and they want it now. they convinced everyone to have this shot. no one 's getting in the way and everyo0ne 's payed off. Pretty obvious, like the sun rising each day ,amazing how so many just don want to see it.... fingers in ears saying nahnahnah im not listening to you!!! .
Why else do you tihnk the idiots on CHAN 9 news and the rest dont report the side effects. it's caled MONEY. stop crapping on about conspiarcy theories and stop getting angry because you had it an someone else didnt'. . you people watch CHAn 9 news FFS???

You got people here who think the jab just cam along out of the goodness of andwell meaning all fully tested nothing to think twice about.... BS!
i didn't have it , not becassue im worried abotu tin foil or micro chips but becaus i don 't usualy jab myself with stuff that turned up in reccord time, doesn 't even work ,for a bug that won 't even kill me. waste of time. "butt wer'e all in it together ,do it forsocieity" ...BS. pepole do it for themselfs because they convinced there own selfish lives are worth preserving. nothing more nothing less. be honest,.
i had the bug an bearly noticed it. non event. And Im FAT. glad I dont have to worry if my imune sysim still works or not, or which cancer i'll get in 5 to 10 years. But more than that im happy i made my own decision liek an adult on what works for me and told the govt and the mask wearing wackers to GF.
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Old 22nd Dec 2022, 00:46
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Originally Posted by tossbag
I notice Kerryn Phelps and her partner now whinging about vaccine effects.
That was already addressed but to re-iterate:

Kerryn Phelps never said she was anti-vaccine, and recommends taking the vaccine as the real benefits outweighs the risks. Just two days ago the group she is a board member of, OzSAGE, put out this submission, calling for booster shots in children under 5.

Phelps and her group are calling for even stronger vaccines, they want a vaccine that can stop transmission of Omicron. Their POV is that long Covid will cause a disability crisis. Until an omicron stopping vaccine is developed they want a return to mandatory indoor masks, capacity restrictions, mandatory isolation, a return to mass testing, contact tracing, movement restrictions, curfews and even considering returning to lockdowns. Do they Craig Kelly’s and Malcom Roberts’s of this world actually think she’s on their side?

If anyone thinks Phelps has joined the conspiracy theorists you have the wrong idea, she wants to be even stronger in the Covid response, even today, which the conspiracy theorists would be against.

Instead of those harsh restrictions, or just pretending that Covid isn’t a problem like the conspiracy theorists, I think the mass vaccination was a good middle ground. Do you really want to experience all the masks, movement restrictions, testing, isolation again for another couple of years until an omicron stopping vaccine is found?
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Yes yes she 's fully on the vaccine team, that's why her husband or wife or whatever is suffering side affects and her face is falling off but she 's okay with uit and she sufered side efects herslef but she 's okay with that too. still mouthing of abuot restrictions and lockdowns against pervailing world opinion . of course she is , she still wants to get paid and still on the team and you lapp it up. Seriously , try to use your nut. You don 't hav to rant about conspiracy theorys but you also don 't have to drink all the kool aid you can get and jump up and down with your panties in a bunch if any one else doesnt' believe all the same crap you get told on CHAN 9 nightly news.
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Old 22nd Dec 2022, 01:16
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Originally Posted by dr dre
Instead of those harsh restrictions, or just pretending that Covid isn’t a problem like the conspiracy theorists, I think the mass vaccination was a good middle ground. Do you really want to experience all the masks, movement restrictions, testing, isolation again for another couple of years until an omicron stopping vaccine is found?
Well you got both . did you enjoy it all ? How many shots are you up to now ? The next one shuold do it. prety sure the next one wil work. all good. If CHAN 9 news says it 'll work i 'll do it..
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Reference the above comments…

Seems Phelps knows there’s an issue though is in a quandary just how to handle it. On the one side her ‘colleagues’ would be saying one thing and yet she is seeing evidence of actual different results. Must be a bit mind bending for her at the moment.


Jo Nova has a ‘cautious’ look-see at the Phelps comments:

“..One of the top doctors in Australia Dr Kerryn Phelps — a familiar face on the news here, has come out saying that she has suffered “devastating” side effects from the Covid vaccines herself. She also says that her doctors are seeing ” ‘a lot’ of patients in a similar situation, but they are afraid to talk about it for fear of being de-registered and losing their career…

..Phelps speculates that 1 in 3000 adult Australians may have had a serious reaction to each Covid vaccine, so after 3 doses, that’s 1 in 1000 and rising with every booster..

​​​​​..If Kerryn Phelps had started a conversation in August or September 2021, perhaps other doctors would have spoken up then too. Fear kept many people silent. Censorship is a life and death thing..”


https://joannenova.com.au/2022/12/fo...ed/#more-88452
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