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Old 1st Jan 2023, 00:04
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Swine flu wasn't a global pandemic killing millions.
So what? It was a vaccine right? Backed by the science?

And killed the millions who were going to die from respiratory virus complications anyway? I don't have the time to research the numbers to minute details, but I read enough to know that we are now killing 10's of thousands more people due delayed medical care, all to save a bunch of 85 year olds who had limited life expectancy in the first place, madness.
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So what? It was a vaccine right? Backed by the science?

And killed the millions who were going to die from respiratory virus complications anyway? I don't have the time to research the numbers to minute details, but I read enough to know that we are now killing 10's of thousands more people due delayed medical care, all to save a bunch of 85 year olds who had limited life expectancy in the first place, madness.
It means risk v reward is clearly stacked in favour of the Covid 19 vaccines, and the situation in terms of stretched medical facilities would be MUCH worse without.

True or not- a hugely disproportionate number of those hospitalised because of Covid are unvaccinated?
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Wow, can't tell if dragon mans stats are a government or scientific monitoring source, but if it is Wiz, it's just blown your argument out of the water.
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Wow, can't tell if dragon mans stats are a government or scientific monitoring source, but if it is Wiz, it's just blown your argument out of the water.
Nope.

3 percent of the population account for 25% of the deaths.

But when you look at things like age of those getting multiple doses- older who are obviously more likely to be vulnerable, it actually confirms it. BUT certainly statistics can be interpreted on different ways. Underlining fact is it is stil a serious public health issue and our best tool is the vaccine.

Are you really going to try and suggest vaccination makes you MORE likely to die or be hospitalised by covid?
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664 hospitalisations have a known vaccine status for that week, zero had no vaccine . 54.5% had had 4 or more doses, 28% had three doses and 16.4% had two vaccines. You can make what you like of it. 97.3% of people in Australia 16 or over have had at least one jab yet they also make up 98.9% of the hospital admissions for that week.
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Although it’s not related to vaccines but surgical devices and implants if you have total faith in the FDA I strongly recommend you watch The Bleeding Edge on Netflix.
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Interestingly WA does not provide the same information to be validated. Thy Master in Control.
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Are you really going to try and suggest vaccination makes you MORE likely to die or be hospitalised by covid?
I constantly re-iterate over and over again. I believe in vaccines, I don't know how many I've had over the years, I've had them all and I've had the corona vaccine. Interestingly, I've had covid twice. With these types of vaccines, I'm all for the choice, it didn't stop the spread. If you want to take an educated risk, go for it.

But in the case of this scam, where very few people were at risk of sickness and death and the world closed down for 3 years and the damage its done to society worldwide, **** off with the lies and manipulation. The means didn't justify the end. Insanity.
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Nope.

3 percent of the population account for 25% of the deaths.

But when you look at things like age of those getting multiple doses- older who are obviously more likely to be vulnerable, it actually confirms it. BUT certainly statistics can be interpreted on different ways. Underlining fact is it is stil a serious public health issue and our best tool is the vaccine.

Are you really going to try and suggest vaccination makes you MORE likely to die or be hospitalised by covid?
You are a very patient man Wiz. Unless you make a youtube video or a tik tok clip, these cult members will be unable to believe anything you say.
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Old 1st Jan 2023, 03:28
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Haha, cult members, good one. Your arguments are being disproven.......by scientists, and your own cult is running out of steam. Oh, don't forget conspiracy theorists, right wing nutjobs etc.
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Old 1st Jan 2023, 03:46
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Originally Posted by Wizofoz

Are you really going to try and suggest vaccination makes you MORE likely to die or be hospitalised by covid?
Theyíll try.

Excess mortality UK (using them as an example as unlike here they had waves pass through before mass vaccination completed).

Big spikes in mortality spring 2020 and winter 20/21. None since.

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I constantly re-iterate over and over again. I believe in vaccines, I don't know how many I've had over the years, I've had them all and I've had the corona vaccine. Interestingly, I've had covid twice.
You end up in hospital, in ICU, on a ventilator?

But in the case of this scam, where very few people were at risk of sickness and death and the world closed down for 3 years and the damage its done to society worldwide, **** off with the lies and manipulation. The means didn't justify the end. Insanity.
Damage done to society worldwide? Despite working in aviation, one of the most effected industries, I coped and got along with life. Most others did too, and now have moved on.

To me the ones whoíve experienced the most long term damage are those whoíve let crazy conspiracy theories dominate their life, becoming so obsessed theyíve even refused to get vaccinated and ruined their careers. Itís hard to feel sympathy for them given the good information about the vaccine that was available, they made their choice and now have to live with it.
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You end up in hospital, in ICU, on a ventilator?
Riiiiiiiight, every unvaccinated person who contracted covid ended up in ICU. Moron argument. Unsupported by any data of course.

​​​​​​​Damage done to society worldwide? Despite working in aviation, one of the most effected industries, I coped and got along with life. Most others did too, and now have moved on.
Again, just so long as you're alright Jack, don't worry about the millions around the world plunged back into desperate poverty. Or the people in your own country that have been plunged back into it or the mental health issues or the billions of dollars your kids will be paying back for the next two or three decades, just so long as you're alright Jack.
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To me the ones who’ve experienced the most long term damage are those who’ve let crazy conspiracy theories dominate their life, becoming so obsessed they’ve even refused to get vaccinated and ruined their careers. It’s hard to feel sympathy for them given the good information about the vaccine that was available, they made their choice and now have to live with it.
​​​​​​​Their choice mate, not yours.
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Their choice mate, not yours.
​​​​​​​Yep - people make choices, people have to live with the consequences.
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Yep - people make choices, people have to live with the consequences.

I guess that equally applies to the poor people who got vaccinated and suffered injuries as well and please don’t tell me there are none.

https://www.instagram.com/jab_injuries_australia/

​​​​​​​https://www.jabinjuriesglobal.com/australia
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I guess that equally applies to the poor people who got vaccinated and suffered injuries as well and please donít tell me there are none.

https://www.instagram.com/jab_injuries_australia/

https://www.jabinjuriesglobal.com/australia
Is that the result of a extensive peer reviewed study performed by medically trained experts, or some randoms on social media posting whatever they want?
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Is that the result of a extensive peer reviewed study performed by medically trained experts, or some randoms on social media posting whatever they want?

Just randoms posting made up stories of course because we all know that there have been no injuries.
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Yep - people make choices, people have to live with the consequences.
Yep, their choice, not yours. And certainly not groupthink choice either, you want that go live in China and see how that works out for you. I know a few that made the choice, left their jobs and are quite happy with the choice. The others that regretted their choice, their problem........but they had a choice.
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Yep, their choice, not yours. And certainly not groupthink choice either, you want that go live in China and see how that works out for you. I know a few that made the choice, left their jobs and are quite happy with the choice. The others that regretted their choice, their problem........but they had a choice.
Uh huh, thatís pretty much what Iíve said.

No one was forced at gunpoint to get a needle in their arm. These people had the consequences of their choice clearly explained to them, and were given time, and a lot of help was offered from experts, but then still freely chose their path.

Some are happy with their choices? Ok Iím sure thereís at least one ex pilot whoís made quite a lucrative career out of peddling nonsense theories on social media to gullible people.

Some others have thrown away an entire career right in the middle of it and now have to face a different future or restarting it but from the bottom. They didnít have to. Some may be putting on a brave face in public and saying itís alright, but deep down I canít help but feel theyíre hurting and one day may come to the realisation theyíve been had.
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