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Old 1st Jan 2023, 11:07
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I constantly re-iterate over and over again. I believe in vaccines, I don't know how many I've had over the years, I've had them all and I've had the corona vaccine. Interestingly, I've had covid twice. With these types of vaccines, I'm all for the choice, it didn't stop the spread. If you want to take an educated risk, go for it.

But in the case of this scam, where very few people were at risk of sickness and death and the world closed down for 3 years and the damage its done to society worldwide, **** off with the lies and manipulation. The means didn't justify the end. Insanity.
Oi . 'scam " is right. Used to be you had some advers reactions and the drug got pulled. Now you got reactions up the yingyang and this ridiculus drug is still out there . still doesnt work, still on the shelf waiting for you to have your fourth, fifth, sixth whatever jab. Just confrim this is the drug which doesnt work that you guys are bangin on about ? cant for the life a me see why so many people like you Dre got their panteis all in a bunch over other people using thier own brains and deciding not to have the jab. Honestly Why do you care? seems like people get all emotionnally invested in backing up their desiciions and wanting everyone else to do the same thing as them and jump on board and have this idiotic jab. Well I never had it. made my own decision. Had the wuhan flu ,hardly noticed it. No ventilators, no icu, no reactions, no hand wringing, no worries. still working.Dont like it? Stiff biccies.

I know many many people in the same cateogry. Not nutters, some well educated, some less so. just normal people who made thier own decisions and told the state to get the F##k out a thier business instead of beleiving the complete BS story weve been fed. . You coudl say they THOUGHT FOR THEM SELVES.

if you cant see this is a scam you got no hope.

es, I coped and got along with life. Most others did too, and now have moved on.
um... i dont think so, ya havent moved on at all , your in here every day beating your monkey about it . you cant move on and you cant let go of the thouhgt that others didnt do the same as you. Sorry but whatever you got yourself in for you get to deal with for yourself. dont worry yuo have many other like minded to join you on your adventure. its now being treated like a flu and you STILL cant handle people choosing not to have a pointless jab which doesnt work but has a history of shitty outcomes. I see pepole liek you all the time and I just laugh at them./
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Old 1st Jan 2023, 11:41
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Some others have thrown away an entire career right in the middle of it and now have to face a different future or restarting it but from the bottom. They didn't have to. Some may be putting on a brave face in public and saying it's alright, but deep down I can't help but feel they're hurting and one day may come to the realisation they've been had.
- Thrown away a career? Maybe they've had enough, of a lot of things. How do you know their personal thoughts or values?
- Different future? So what, maybe some people aren't threatened by stepping outside of a comfort zone. How do you know their personal thoughts or values?
- They didn't have to? Well, if they made a choice on vaccines, yes they did.
- Some may be putting on a brave face in public and saying it's alright, but deep down I can't help but feel they're hurting and one day may come to the realisation they've been had? They're your thoughts, not theirs. How do you know their personal thoughts or values.

Stick to your own values, maybe their values are more important to them than your trade-able values. Once again, it's none of your ******* business.

You lot seem to think that the profession of pilot is god almighty and everyone wants to be you. Maybe they don't define themselves via their profession.
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Old 2nd Jan 2023, 01:29
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I guess that now, down the track, it means f*ck all difference in 99.999% of life whether you were vaccinated or not. Those who didn't are treated to all intents and purposes exactly the same as those who did. Nobody checks your status, nobody cares about your status. Noone is an anti -vax pariah anymore. You have nfi if the person standing crushed against you at the NY celebrations was vaxed or not, as there's no restrictions on who can be where. So if you got vaxed only because you had to to keep your job, or you lost your job because you didn't, now, a few months later, you must be wondering wtf was the point of the whole exercise.
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Old 2nd Jan 2023, 01:33
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From the Wall St Journal but not peer reviewed!Public-health experts are sounding the alarm about a new Omicron variant dubbed XBB that is rapidly spreading across the Northeast U.S. Some studies suggest it is as different from the original Covid strain from Wuhan as the 2003 SARS virus. Should Americans be worried?

It isn’t clear that XBB is any more lethal than other variants, but its mutations enable it to evade antibodies from prior infection and vaccines as well as existing monoclonal antibody treatments. Growing evidence also suggests that repeated vaccinations may make people more susceptible to XBB and could be fueling the virus’s rapid evolution.

Prior to Omicron’s emergence in November 2021, there were only four variants of concern: Alpha, Beta, Delta and Gamma. Only Alpha and Delta caused surges of infections globally. But Omicron has begotten numerous descendents, many of which have popped up in different regions of the world curiously bearing some of the same mutations

Such rapid and simultaneous emergence of multiple variants with enormous growth advantages is unprecedented,” a Dec. 19 study in the journal Nature notes. Under selective evolutionary pressures, the virus appears to have developed mutations that enable it to transmit more easily and escape antibodies elicited by vaccines and prior infection.

The same study posits that immune imprinting may be contributing to the viral evolution. Vaccines do a good job of training the immune system to remember and knock out the original Wuhan variant. But when new and markedly different strains come along, the immune system responds less effectively.

Bivalent vaccines that target the Wuhan and BA.5 variants (or breakthrough infections with the latter) prompt the immune system to produce antibodies that target viral regions the two strains have in common. In Darwinian terms, mutations that allow the virus to evade common antibodies win out—they make it “fitter.”

XBB has evolved to elude antibodies induced by the vaccines and breakthrough infections. Hence, the Nature study suggests, “current herd immunity and BA.5 vaccine boosters may not efficiently prevent the infection of Omicron convergent variants.”

A New England Journal of Medicine study published last month provides more evidence of the vulnerability caused by immune imprinting. Neutralizing antibodies of people who had received the bivalent were 26 times as high against the original Wuhan variant as they were against XBB and four times as high as they were against Omicron and the BA.5 variant.

Similarly, a study this month in the journal Cell found that antibody levels of people who had received four shots were 145 times as high against the original Wuhan strain as the XBB variant. A bivalent booster only slightly increased antibodies against XBB. Experts nevertheless claim that boosters improve protection against XBB. That’s disinformation, to use their favored term.

A Cleveland Clinic study that tracked its healthcare workers found that bivalent vaccines reduced the risk of getting infected by 30% while the BA.5 variant was spreading. But, as the study explained, the reason might be that workers who were more cautious—i.e., more likely to wear N95 masks and avoid large gatherings—may have also been more likely to get boosted.

Notably, workers who had received more doses were at higher risk of getting sick. Those who received three more doses were 3.4 times as likely to get infected as the unvaccinated, while those who received two were only 2.6 times as likely.

“This is not the only study to find a possible association with more prior vaccine doses and higher risk of COVID-19,” the authors noted. “We still have a lot to learn about protection from COVID-19 vaccination, and in addition to a vaccine’s effectiveness it is important to examine whether multiple vaccine doses given over time may not be having the beneficial effect that is generally assumed.”

Two years ago, vaccines were helpful in reducing severe illness, particularly among the elderly and those with health risks like diabetes and obesity. But experts refuse to concede that boosters have yielded diminishing benefits and may even have made individuals and the population as a whole more vulnerable to new variants like XBB.

It might not be a coincidence that XBB surged this fall in Singapore, which has among the highest vaccination and booster rates in the world. Over the past several weeks a XBB strain has become predominant in New York, New Jersey, Connecticut and Massachusetts, making up about three-quarters of virus samples that have been genetically sequenced. The variant has been slower to take off in other regions, making up only 6% of the Midwest and about 20% in the South. The Northeast is also the most vaccinated and boosted region in the country.

Hospitalizations in the Northeast have risen too, but primarily among those over 70. One reason may be that the T-Cell response—the cavalry riding behind the front-line antibodies—is weaker in older people. The virus can’t evade T-Cells elicited by vaccines and infections as easily as it can antibodies. Because of T-Cells, younger people are still well-protected against new variants.

Another reason may be that monoclonal antibodies are ineffective against XBB, and many older people who catch Covid can’t take the antiviral Paxlovid because they have medical conditions such as severe kidney disease or take drugs that interfere with it.

The Biden administration’s monomaniacal focus on vaccines over new treatments has left the highest-risk Americans more vulnerable to new variants. Why doesn’t that seem to worry the experts?
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Old 2nd Jan 2023, 07:40
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For god sake Dragon Man, we get it, you don’t agree with the vaccine. So don’t take it!
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Old 2nd Jan 2023, 08:42
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For god sake Dragon Man, we get it, you donít agree with the vaccine. So donít take it!
Thank you I didnít, so let me get this straight itís your belief that the only people who can post here are those that express your opinions?
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Old 2nd Jan 2023, 10:13
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Thank you I didnít, so let me get this straight itís your belief that the only people who can post here are those that express your opinions?
Why donít you you do us all a favour and ride off into the sunset 😳
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Dragon Man has the same right as everyone else here to express his opinion. The fact that some disagree with him and want him to "ride off into the sunset" is irrelevant.

I personally will never take another Covid non-vaccine (I have had 3), put up with border closures, lockdowns or quarantines.

Shiny!
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Old 2nd Jan 2023, 14:04
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In the end, the pilots are still people and they have to be vaccinated, I don't see why they would be a group that cannot be vaccinated
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Old 2nd Jan 2023, 19:14
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Originally Posted by dragon man
Thank you I didn’t, so let me get this straight it’s your belief that the only people who can post here are those that express your opinions?
No but you keep expressing the SAME opinion, over and over. We get it, you don’t agree with the vaccine, so now that we know that, what now? Do you keep posting anti vax information in the hope it will convince the majority that vaccines don’t work? Most of us know that the original vaccine if not effective against the new covid variants. Do you keep posting your stuff in the hope that it will change Government policy, or do you hope someone will somehow reverse all the mandates. You keep complaining about it, I accept your view, what do you want to happen?

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Old 16th Jan 2023, 01:09
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No but you keep expressing the SAME opinion, over and over. We get it, you donít agree with the vaccine, so now that we know that, what now? Do you keep posting anti vax information in the hope it will convince the majority that vaccines donít work? Most of us know that the original vaccine if not effective against the new covid variants. Do you keep posting your stuff in the hope that it will change Government policy, or do you hope someone will somehow reverse all the mandates. You keep complaining about it, I accept your view, what do you want to happen?
Do you think this will be the last china virus type panic ?..

Now that the corrupt communist leaders of china know how effective the release of a Ďrelativelyí harmless virus has been at destroying lives and business in democratic societyís, do you think they wonít do it again? Certainly many other Ďbad actorsí would have taken note and will be working towards developing their own virus to release.

We need to intensively study the stupidity of the government reactions to the china virus so we are better prepared for the next manufactured virus release.. probably not far offÖ

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Do you think this will be the last china virus type panic ?..

Now that the corrupt communist leaders of china know how effective the release of a Ďrelativelyí harmless virus has been at destroying lives and business in democratic societyís, do you think they wonít do it again? Certainly many other Ďbad actorsí would have taken note and will be working towards developing their own virus to release.

We need to intensively study the stupidity of the government reactions to the china virus so we are better prepared for the next manufactured virus release.. probably not far offÖ
Like...maybe... develop a vaccine?
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Like...maybe... develop a vaccine?
Like maybe develop a vaccine..... that works.
if you took it thinking yo u would'nt get the virus your a sucker . How many jabs did you have before you finally caught on ?
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Like maybe develop a vaccine..... that works.
if you took it thinking yo u would'nt get the virus your a sucker . How many jabs did you have before you finally caught on ?
I didn't get it thinking I couldn't get the virus, because no-one said it meant you couldn't get the virus. It has done exactly what it promised to do.
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I didn't get it thinking I couldn't get the virus, because no-one said it meant you couldn't get the virus. It has done exactly what it promised to do.
What, stop the transmission, not injure people. I canít stop laughing.
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What, stop the transmission, not injure people. I canít stop laughing.
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this is where you lose all credibility, look at the worldwide stats, the vaccine has been HIGHLY effective in reducing hospitalisation and serious illness. Across the BILLIONS of doses the adverse reactions/injuries are negligible. It always amazes me how those who are anti vax and keep posting links to non peer reviewed research seem to personally know dozens of vaccine injured people, yet those who exist in the real world donít know any.

The vaccine worked as advertised and future versions will work better,
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because no-one said it meant you couldn't get the virus.
You really need to take the blinkers off in your blind devotion to government, that is exactly what was said about the vaccine at the start, until it didn't stop you getting the virus, then the tune changed to suit the narrative.
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Old 16th Jan 2023, 22:17
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The advertisement for the vaccine was it would stop transmission. That’s a fact . However the reality is they lied, Pfizer themselves have said it doesn’t stop transmission. Yes, I know 3 young men who have heart problems, one is still on going , another ended up in emergency in the middle of the night.
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Nothing I read indicated it would stop transmission. It was only ever sold to me as reducing severity of symptoms which it did .
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Nothing I read indicated it would stop transmission. It was only ever sold to me as reducing severity of symptoms which it did .
Then why did people have to show evidence of being vaccinated? Why were people who were not vaccinated, not allowed to enter shops and public transport, etc etc? Why did companies force people to be vaccinated or else be terminated?......
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