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Old 1st Aug 2022, 00:59
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Originally Posted by Wizofoz View Post
No it doesn't, because if you only fly 56, hours, you still get the 200k.
Similarly, if the pilot on the 56 hr contract flies 75 hrs, they will be paid more!

They're referring to the hourly rate. If Jetstar's agreement were only guaranteed 56 hrs, the base salary would be proportionately less. Increasing the minimum guarantee is a lot easier sell than increasing the rate. I have no idea about Jetstar's pay, but if it is 200k for 75 hrs a month, its hourly rate is 222 per flight hour. Therefore the equivalent agreement with 56 hrs guaranteed would be 150k. The higher min guarantee only works out better if you're in undertime, which I wouldn't bet on at Jetstar.
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Old 1st Aug 2022, 01:25
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Originally Posted by WillieTheWimp View Post
Similarly, if the pilot on the 56 hr contract flies 75 hrs, they will be paid more!

They're referring to the hourly rate. If Jetstar's agreement were only guaranteed 56 hrs, the base salary would be proportionately less. Increasing the minimum guarantee is a lot easier sell than increasing the rate. I have no idea about Jetstar's pay, but if it is 200k for 75 hrs a month, its hourly rate is 222 per flight hour. Therefore the equivalent agreement with 56 hrs guaranteed would be 150k. The higher min guarantee only works out better if you're in undertime, which I wouldn't bet on at Jetstar.
The quote was that Jetstar pay 150K for 56 hrs. They don't. No Captsin recieves 150K so the information was simply false.
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Old 1st Aug 2022, 01:33
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Originally Posted by Wizofoz View Post
AFIK base for an A320 skipper is 225K before overtime and allowences, so Scooter might want to check his "facts"
You realize the JQ Pilot EBA is a public document right?

https://www.fwc.gov.au/document-sear...tar%24%24pilot

35.1.5. Narrowbody 1 July 2018 Captain - $200,813.

Your assertions of 225k before allowances etc are wrong. Do you acknowledge this fact?

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The quote was that Jetstar pay 150K for 56 hrs. They don't. No Captsin recieves 150K so the information was simply false.
That may be true, but it demonstrates your lack of understanding of the metric. Normalizing pay for block hour allows an apples for apples comparison. If a JQ Capt is on 200k for 75 hours, but a Virgin Capt is on 190k for 40 hours, only an idiot would claim the JQ pilot is more highly paid. To that end, in normal times (ie, not an unprecedented global pandemic), the chances of a JQ pilot doing 56 hours in a month are near nil. You're always at 75 hours, and more often than not, significantly over. So given equal block hours, the hourly rate is what matters, not the base salary.
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You realize the JQ Pilot EBA is a public document right?

https://www.fwc.gov.au/document-sear...tar%24%24pilot

35.1.5. Narrowbody 1 July 2018 Captain - $200,813.

Your assertions of 225k before allowances etc are wrong. Do you acknowledge this fact?.
Of course- you supplied better information- I DID say AFAIK- as, that's what I believe but stand to be corrected- which you have.


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YThat may be true, but it demonstrates your lack of understanding of the metric. Normalizing pay for block hour allows an apples for apples comparison. If a JQ Capt is on 200k for 75 hours, but a Virgin Capt is on 190k for 40 hours, only an idiot would claim the JQ pilot is more highly paid. To that end, in normal times (ie, not an unprecedented global pandemic), the chances of a JQ pilot doing 56 hours in a month are near nil. You're always at 75 hours, and more often than not, significantly over. So given equal block hours, the hourly rate is what matters, not the base salary.
I've worked in systems like this for the last 32 years. You can take your "you don't understand" and shove it. A higher min guarentee is a better deal for leave, sick leave, long service- it means you are GUARENTEED MORE. Yes, someone on a lower base/guarentee MAY might even PROBABLY WILL earn the same or more, but they are't GUARENTEED more- so saying "Jetstar pay 150k for 56 hours" is simply factually wrong.

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You've worked on pay systems like this for 32 years, but you don't know how to lookup an EBA? Seems odd.

Not entirely sure why all the hostility and 'shove it' is required.

All of us understood what Scooter was getting at.
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Originally Posted by das Uber Soldat View Post
You've worked on pay systems like this for 32 years, but you don't know how to lookup an EBA? Seems odd.

Not entirely sure why all the hostility and 'shove it' is required.

All of us understood what Scooter was getting at.
You get that this isn't unique to Australia? I've been on conditions like this on four continents.
Telling me I don't understand something, when I was on one of the first EBAs to use this system was, I thought,a touch rude. If that wasn't the intent, I appologise for the hostility.
If Scooter wan'ted to convey a comparison of hourly rates, he should have said that. It's STILL better conditions getting more money for a higher threshold.

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Best of luck.
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Just thinking about their routes. Anyone know if a Max could use (Wol) Shellharbour airport as a SY alternative ?
$50 fares Sunny Coast to Wol and back would be quite popular am thinking ?
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Late September! Now that’s a pipe dream with only their first cabin crew starting now and no proving flights.
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It’s starting to get messy, heard CASA not happy with the way the aircraft was delivered to Australia.

No CAMO as yet and using LAME,s who work for another operator that soon will be operating the MAX.
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It’s starting to get messy, heard CASA not happy with the way the aircraft was delivered to Australia.

No CAMO as yet and using LAME,s who work for another operator that soon will be operating the MAX.
Do tell whats not to be happy about.

Plenty of VH registered aircraft moved around the world on delivery flights running on SFPs or no designated CAMO. Believe it or not ferry flights aren't cowboy operations they require overflight and landing permits the same way any other aircraft does. Neither of those would be granted unless the aircraft documents were not in order.
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I don't think some of this is correct. I know the CAMO company that has been working with Bonza and they are sticklers for doing things right. You would think the fact that it has come in on the Oz Register all the paperwork was OK and how it was to be maintained set. No use ticking CASA off as you try and get an AOC.

Ferry Flights are also private flights.
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Neither of those would be granted unless the aircraft documents were not in order.
”unless” or “if”? Big difference 🤔
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Who is the CAMO and which AMO is carrying out the maintenance? Cheers, 30/30.
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No oneís business who Bonza use for CAMO and AMO and on here is drivel about salaries. Seems like thatís the level of debate and information. Very Australian it seems
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A quick google search gives all the answers

https://www.travelweekly.com.au/arti...-tech-partner/
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I wonder if all the noise about secondary routes is going to be reality... or was it just noise to get QF and JQ off their scent before launching onto the trunk leisure routes. Meanwhile QF waste resources starting new routes that were potential Bonza routes.

I mean they don't need to report to the ASX or anything...
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Good question. The Bonza website does not show routes, one has to download the app for that which I will not be doing, Pretty hard to hide planned routes when tickets go sale.


Qantas starting new routes? That is hilarious, they canít service what they have.
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Qantas, Virgin, Jetstar, Rex, Bonza - 5 of them all offering domestic jet services. How can it be that we have come a full circle in 22 years to be back with more domestic seats than is necessary? This will all end in tears. This country can carry 3 domestic carriers, tops, not 5. How the bloodbath plays out will be interesting, but it will certainly come. This Country is one pandemic, one GFC, one accident, or one middle eastern oil crisis and war away from immense pain. Rising inflation, rising interest rates, high oil prices, and supply chain woes are contributing to a cauldron of unrest. I donít want to see any airline fail, but 5 domestic players simply wonít last.

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