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Old 4th Jul 2021, 04:33
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So Short Haul facing the prospect of being stood down again, the same week it was "announced" in one of the Webinars the possibility ("SH will be considered") of outsourcing the 737 flying..and 4 A330's off to EFA...Mainline is screwed.
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Old 4th Jul 2021, 04:44
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Originally Posted by Street garbage View Post
So Short Haul facing the prospect of being stood down again,
Latest advice is that is NOT happening next month
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Old 4th Jul 2021, 07:33
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So Short Haul facing the prospect of being stood down again, the same week it was "announced" in one of the Webinars the possibility ("SH will be considered") of outsourcing the 737 flying..and 4 A330's off to EFA...Mainline is screwed.
I missed the “announcement” of 4 A330s to EFA? Has that been announced? Or is it just a rumour?

Not sure how they’ll cover the post Covid network with four less airframes. Suspect that if they do decide to go down that road they’ll need load up on extra 787s to cover them.
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Old 4th Jul 2021, 21:56
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I missed the “announcement” of 4 A330s to EFA? Has that been announced? Or is it just a rumour?

Not sure how they’ll cover the post Covid network with four less airframes. Suspect that if they do decide to go down that road they’ll need load up on extra 787s to cover them.
Easy: expand NETWORK, COBHAM (717) and ALLIANCE ......that's how you reduce your cost.
Regarding Alliance 18 E190 are on their way.
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Old 4th Jul 2021, 22:11
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Easy: expand NETWORK, COBHAM (717) and ALLIANCE ......that's how you reduce your cost.
Regarding Alliance 18 E190 are on their way.
Apparently QF Management are a little cranky with the Cobham pilots as their EA is much too expensive. Hence the massive base closures for them and constant battles with their allowances.

What we as pilots need to be doing is encouraging Network and Alliance pilots to negotiate hard and get their base salary up to a more respectable number. A320 pilots should not be less then Jetstar. F100 and E190 Pilots say 10% less then a 717 CAPT should be a target. By encouraging all companies to have a similar ‘per seat’ or per tonne cost as far as Pilot costs goes eliminates the ability for the company to have these mini battles amongst individual organisations.
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Old 4th Jul 2021, 22:23
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Apparently QF Management are a little cranky with the Cobham pilots as their EA is much too expensive. Hence the massive base closures for them and constant battles with their allowances.

What we as pilots need to be doing is encouraging Network and Alliance pilots to negotiate hard and get their base salary up to a more respectable number. A320 pilots should not be less then Jetstar. F100 and E190 Pilots say 10% less then a 717 CAPT should be a target. By encouraging all companies to have a similar ‘per seat’ or per tonne cost as far as Pilot costs goes eliminates the ability for the company to have these mini battles amongst individual organisations.
Not sure if QF management is cranky with Cobham....those guys are still costing a lot less than mainline.
A capt at Network earns 185K and Alliance 154K. hard to compete against that don't you agree?
A.JOYCE is only looking at cost structure, nothing else.
Customers? well they don't care, they just want to pay as little as possible for their airfares.

with the number of unemployed pilots willing to work for ANY KIND OF SALARIES and the "COVID excuse"......I don't see anyone or union in a position to negociate anything, but I could be wrong
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Old 4th Jul 2021, 23:06
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with the number of unemployed pilots willing to work for ANY KIND OF SALARIES and the "COVID excuse"......
Well lets hope that our industry colleagues don’t use the “COVID excuse” to completely rid themselves of all dignity and self respect.


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Old 4th Jul 2021, 23:58
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Originally Posted by 74world View Post
Not sure if QF management is cranky with Cobham....those guys are still costing a lot less than mainline.
A capt at Network earns 185K and Alliance 154K. hard to compete against that don't you agree?
A.JOYCE is only looking at cost structure, nothing else.
Customers? well they don't care, they just want to pay as little as possible for their airfares.

with the number of unemployed pilots willing to work for ANY KIND OF SALARIES and the "COVID excuse"......I don't see anyone or union in a position to negociate anything, but I could be wrong
That is the sad part, in Australia where it only seems to go from bad to worse with "outbreaks" and lockdowns it is an even quicker race to the bottom than it used to be and believe me, the folks who call the shots are likely salivating at the bargaining power they hold right now when it comes to contracts and negotiations.
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Old 5th Jul 2021, 01:37
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I missed the “announcement” of 4 A330s to EFA? Has that been announced? Or is it just a rumour?

Not sure how they’ll cover the post Covid network with four less airframes. Suspect that if they do decide to go down that road they’ll need load up on extra 787s to cover them.
Out of interest, what is the difference in cost between an A330 crew and a B787 crew if they were to work an identical roster over 12 months?

No shortage of 787's available at short notice if required and also no reason they can't be configured in a higher density layout to closer match the A330-300.
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Old 5th Jul 2021, 04:30
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Out of interest, what is the difference in cost between an A330 crew and a B787 crew if they were to work an identical roster over 12 months?

No shortage of 787's available at short notice if required and also no reason they can't be configured in a higher density layout to closer match the A330-300.
about the same in mainline between the 330 and 787, not compare with EFA.
the initial comment mentioned 4 A330 possibly going to EFA (freighters)
Mainline could compensate the departure of 4 330 with Network, Alliance and Cobham, picking up the slack.
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Old 5th Jul 2021, 13:00
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Originally Posted by LostWanderer View Post
That is the sad part, in Australia where it only seems to go from bad to worse with "outbreaks" and lockdowns it is an even quicker race to the bottom than it used to be and believe me, the folks who call the shots are likely salivating at the bargaining power they hold right now when it comes to contracts and negotiations.
What goes around, comes around. The worm could turn pretty quickly in 18 months or so.
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Old 6th Jul 2021, 00:53
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Well lets hope that our industry colleagues don’t use the “COVID excuse” to completely rid themselves of all dignity and self respect.
Ha ha, unemployed pilots will take ANY job on offer no matter what without consideration for how it will impact Qantas Mainline pilots. Qantas Mainline pilots don’t even try and support their own colleagues which is not unique to them by the way. We live I. An industry where mainline pilots advocate for the shutdown of Jetconnect, Jetstar OZ pilots advocate for shutting down Jetstar NZ so they can do the flying, we don’t care about fellow pilots in our own group of companies so why would anyone else.
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Old 6th Jul 2021, 03:16
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Well said Ollie.

Dignity and self respect aren't part of the mainline pilots vocabulary.

Always ironic that the " Best of the Best " usually act in such a teenage way when it comes to their interactions with other group pilots.

Their antics are always good for a laugh however.

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Old 6th Jul 2021, 03:37
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Originally Posted by Keg View Post
Keg’s Law: The longer a PPRuNe discussion about Qantas goes on the greater chance there is of it turning into a mainline v JQ stoush.
I may need to amend this law to include ‘all other pilot groups’ instead of just JQ.
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Old 6th Jul 2021, 03:49
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MCD has an axe to grind?

It is quite an uninformed and baseless post. For me incorrectly or not, and it may change in the future, I don’t consider Jetconnect, Cobham, Network or Alliance employees my colleagues. I doubt Jetstar consider Jetstar NZ their colleagues either. The fact there is a star or a roo on the tail might pander to that illusion. At the same time I wish those that work there the best. It’s not their fault after all. We are all trying to do the job we are professionally trained to do and trying to survive under very challenging conditions. I will sacrifice and look after all of my Mainline family. History has shown I’m not alone with this attitude…the proof is there. With management pitting section against section you can’t be friends with everyone but I’m happy knowing I’m surrounded by people who care. There is plenty of self respect and dignity, but like I said, everyone draws a line in the sand somewhere and not everyone can be your brothers and sisters. So give me a break with all the Mainline shows no respect/dignity/support b#llsh*t. Get over it, and do the job you are privileged to have if you are flying at the moment.

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Old 6th Jul 2021, 07:25
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Wow! there are some real turds here, I have never, or know of anyone in OZ that feels any animosity or disapproval for JQ NZ.
JQ will be just fine post covid, lets back back to QF post covid after all that is the thread title. .
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Old 6th Jul 2021, 07:53
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Wow! there are some real turds here, I have never, or know of anyone in OZ that feels any animosity or disapproval for JQ NZ.
JQ will be just fine post covid, lets back back to QF post covid after all that is the thread title. .
Some serious projection goin' on that's for sure
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Old 6th Jul 2021, 12:12
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Wow! there are some real turds here, I have never, or know of anyone in OZ that feels any animosity or disapproval for JQ NZ.
JQ will be just fine post covid, lets back back to QF post covid after all that is the thread title. .

really!!! Jetstar NZ are on a shit daily pay deal trying to make ends meet. When some Tasman flying comes along Jetstar Australia says no that’s our flying even though the Aussie A320 crew are fully stood up and in overtime. So much for the ANZAC spirit
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Old 6th Jul 2021, 20:56
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I have never heard anyone in OZ saying "That's our Tasman flying"as you so infer. As for their pay deal, well NZ is another country after all, what ever has been done I'm sure is legal in that jurisdiction. This is a QF thread after all who would of thought JQ would take over.
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Old 6th Jul 2021, 21:08
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I have never heard anyone in OZ saying "That's our Tasman flying"as you so infer.

Ask the AFAP about that.
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